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»  » I am very confused...an agsl with excelent plsh/sym???
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I am very confused...an agsl with excelent plsh/sym??? |
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| P: 7/13/2006 5:26:16 PM | |
treepop Rough Rock Total Posts: 45 Last Post: 8/27/2006 Member Since: 7/12/2006 |
Report: AGS Shape: Round Ideal Cut Carat: 0.742 Color: F Clarity: SI1 Depth: 61.2 Table: 56 Crown Angle: 34.6 Crown %: 15.1 Pavilion Angle: 40.7 Pavilion %: 42.8 Girdle: medium to slight thick Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Culet: Pointed Fluorescence: Negligible Measurements: 5.81-5.84X3.56 Report: AGS Shape: Round Ideal Cut Carat: 0.748 Color: F Clarity: SI1 Depth: 61.9 Table: 54.9 Crown Angle: 61.9 Crown %: 54.7 Pavilion Angle: 40.7 Pavilion %: 43 Girdle: Thin to Slightly Thick Faceted Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Culet: Pointed Fluorescence: Negligible Measurements: 5.82-5.84X3.61 Those are the specs of the diamond's I am looking at...how can it be an ags with an excellent polish and symmetry when they only rate at ideal - very good? |
| Posted: 7/13/2006 5:26:16 PM | |
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There are 15 replies to this message. There are 15 replies on this page. |
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| P: 7/13/2006 5:27:28 PM | |
JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,148 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005 |
If they are WF ES, I know why.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 5:27:28 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 5:29:21 PM | |
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treepop Rough Rock Total Posts: 45 Last Post: 8/27/2006 Member Since: 7/12/2006 |
Sorry whats that mean? *EDIT* AHHHH!!!! yes...they are!
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 5:29:21 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 5:30:43 PM | |
belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004 |
ags doesn't only issue 'ideal' grades. it is just their top grade.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 5:30:43 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 5:32:38 PM | |
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treepop Rough Rock Total Posts: 45 Last Post: 8/27/2006 Member Since: 7/12/2006 |
Date: 7/13/2006 5:30:43 PM Author: belle ags doesn't only issue 'ideal' grades. it is just their top grade. GIA-GTL Excellent Very Good Good Fair Poor AGSL Ideal Very Good Good Fair Poor So thats not law?
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 5:32:38 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 5:34:39 PM | |
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JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,148 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005 |
Excellent is the highest grade given for finish on a DQR. The ideal finish grade is only for DQDs. WF labels it as an AGS ideal because it gets the ideal grade for light performance, even though it doesn't say on the DQR, because WF gets all those numbers. At least, that's what I think happens.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 5:34:39 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 5:36:43 PM | |
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treepop Rough Rock Total Posts: 45 Last Post: 8/27/2006 Member Since: 7/12/2006 |
Date: 7/13/2006 5:34:39 PM Author: JulieN Excellent is the highest grade given for finish on a DQR. The ideal finish grade is only for DQDs. WF labels it as an AGS ideal because it gets the ideal grade for light performance, even though it doesn't say on the DQR, because WF gets all those numbers. At least, that's what I think happens. *EDIT* DQR <-----I GOT IT "Report" So why wouldn't they submit the diamond to a dqd?
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 5:36:43 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 5:37:35 PM | |
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JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,148 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005 |
http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=45611
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 5:37:35 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 5:40:59 PM | |
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treepop Rough Rock Total Posts: 45 Last Post: 8/27/2006 Member Since: 7/12/2006 |
awesome thanks :) So in an effort to save money on a report they submited it to the dqr... well thats a bummer  How will I know if it's Ideal quality?
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 5:40:59 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 5:42:32 PM | |
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belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004 |
Date: 7/13/2006 5:36:43 PM only the aca line gets dqd grading reports. it is part of the 'eliteness' (is that a word?)Author: treepop DQR <-----I GOT IT 'Report' So why wouldn't they submit the diamond to a dqd?  expert selection comes with either a gia report or an ags dqr.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 5:42:32 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 5:42:58 PM | |
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JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,148 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005 |
ask. it preserves the prestige of the ACA line.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 5:42:58 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 6:08:21 PM | |
^ Rough Rock Total Posts: 91 Last Post: 8/15/2009 Member Since: 5/9/2006 |
Date: 7/13/2006 5:40:59 PM Author: treepop So in an effort to save money on a report they submited it to the dqr... well thats a bummer How will I know if it's Ideal quality? I think it's not just to save money, as the price difference is like $50, I believe. According to WF, it's also to maintain the prestige that is the ACA. The only way to know if it's Ideal is to submit it to AGS. Interestingly enough, I believe AGS would actually be able to look up your stone and figure out what grade it will receive, as they save all that data for each stone. The only way to tell for a consumer, though, is to dish out the cash. I don't even think they'd need your stone back, technically. But they've got to make their money somehow. Another option is to have an experienced appraiser look at it and give their opinion on what it might get. In the end, the only way to know if it's an AGS000 is to get it graded AGS000 by AGS.  John Q has made the point that there may be AGS000's hiding in the ES range for the picking. I considered getting mine certified just to see, but concluded that the certificate would not, in fact, affect the performance that my eyes saw from the stone. It might affect my perception of the stone (either in a negative way if it got AGS1 for polish, or in a positive way if it got AGS000), but what's the point of spending money to mess with my head? (drugs, alcohol, strip clubs & gambling aside) ^
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 6:08:21 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 6:55:21 PM | |
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004 |
Date: 7/13/2006 6:08:21 PM Author: ^ John Q has made the point that there may be AGS000's hiding in the ES range for the picking. I considered getting mine certified just to see, but concluded that the certificate would not, in fact, affect the performance that my eyes saw from the stone. It might affect my perception of the stone (either in a negative way if it got AGS1 for polish, or in a positive way if it got AGS000), but what's the point of spending money to mess with my head? (drugs, alcohol, strip clubs & gambling aside) ^ Crikey. Sounds like the coursework for an MBP (Masters in Bachelor Party). We often remind consumers that the purpose of Expert Selection is 'best value for the money.' As regards premium rounds at ideal proportions, the money saved by requesting a DQR is passed on to the consumer in the price point of the diamond, which has our assurance of expert analysis. For any who want all the 'trimmings' including, as caret noted, the not-necessarily-visible pedigree in ideal polish/sym & the true optical symmetry we have the ACA brand. In case it's a question, ES does come with the same array of purchase benefits as ACA. Hope this is helpful. Here's info on DQD/DQR. John |
| Posted: 7/13/2006 6:55:21 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 7:16:45 PM | |
Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,036 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
Date: 7/13/2006 5:32:38 PM Author: treepop Date: 7/13/2006 5:30:43 PM Author: belle ags doesn't only issue 'ideal' grades. it is just their top grade. GIA-GTL Excellent Very Good Good Fair Poor AGSL Ideal Very Good Good Fair Poor So thats not law? I believe, but could be wrong, someone will tell me if I am that AGS goes like this with Excellent after Ideal. Ideal Excellent Very good yada yada And no, there is no Law about how diamonds are graded. I could set up a Lab tomorrow and make up my own system. As long as people would pay me for it I would be legally in business. Wink Jones |
| Posted: 7/13/2006 7:16:45 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 7:43:58 PM | |
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^ Rough Rock Total Posts: 91 Last Post: 8/15/2009 Member Since: 5/9/2006 |
http://www.agslabs.com/ agrees with that assessment, Wink. ^
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 7:43:58 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 7:44:45 PM | |
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^ Rough Rock Total Posts: 91 Last Post: 8/15/2009 Member Since: 5/9/2006 |
From AGSlabs.com "The DQR identifies proportion information without judging the quality of those proportions. Further, the DQR identifies polish and symmetry in the following manner: Excellent, Very Good, Good, Fair, and Poor." And the below screenshot which specifies cut grade heirarchy for DQD. I'm no expert, but I've always thought of it as a graphical representation. Two columns, the one on the left is DQD, right is DQR. Ideal and Excellent bars start at the top, then on the left side, Ideal ends part way down the right side's Excellent. Then both Excellents end at the same point. So Excellent DQR might be Ideal DQD. Confused yet? AGS is just saying it's at most a 1, could be a zero, wouldn't you like to know? Pay us more cash! They've certainly created value in AGS000 by keeping more stringent standards, kudos to them. DQD..............DQR Ideal..........Excellent Excellent......Excellent Very Good......Very Good Good...........Good Etc. ^ 
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 7:44:45 PM | |
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