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opinions please on this cushion diagram |
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| P: 7/13/2006 9:52:23 AM | |
yellowsparkles Cut Rock Total Posts: 312 Last Post: 3/8/2008 Member Since: 5/21/2006 |
Please take a look at this diagram. Can anyone shed some light on the inclusions found in this diamond? In your opinion is this SI1 or SI2. I have heard both. Would the circle be very visible? Your response/opinion is greatly appreciated.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 9:52:23 AM | |
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There are 21 replies to this message. There are 21 replies on this page. |
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| P: 7/13/2006 10:36:11 AM | |
Sam_C Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 10/18/2006 Member Since: 3/23/2006 |
There is no way to tell from a diagram as the drawing is a representation of the inclusions, they're not drawn to scale. Do you have a photograph?
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 10:36:11 AM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 10:43:22 AM | |
niceice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,792 Last Post: 7/22/2008 Member Since: 1/29/2003 |
The plotting diagram is pretty faint, but from what I can see, it appears that there is a cloud (a group of pinpoint size diamond crystals) located in the center of the table facet and another cloud located within the crown facets in the region of four o'clock. There also appears to be a small diamond crystal located in the one o'clock region of the lower plotting diagram. More inclusions may be present, the image is really faint and part of the plotting diagram is cut off... SI-1 or SI-2 or anything else? Nobody can really tell you that off of the paper plotting diagram, one really needs to view the diamond in-person to determine the extent of the inclusions and how visible they are to make that call. Is the diamond lab graded? I recommend submitting it to a Graduate Gemologist for an accurate consultation, refer to the list of appraisers available via the Resources drop down menu in the upper right corner of this page. Todd L. Gray, President |
| Posted: 7/13/2006 10:43:22 AM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 12:21:02 PM | |
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yellowsparkles Cut Rock Total Posts: 312 Last Post: 3/8/2008 Member Since: 5/21/2006 |
Thanks for the replies. I will submit a picture as soon as I can scan it. The diagram has a circle in red (center) = I assume that is a cloud, correct? The mark in the 4 o'clock position is in red and I thought that would be a feather??? The other mark is on the top diagram in green- I guess and external mark on the edges of the facet? I have an HRD cert stating SI1, and an independant appraiser saying SI1. But, when I was looking at Tiffany's the salesman thought SI2 because it is on the table. Just a sales tactic?? quick background: This is a ring that I bought, but am now having second thoughts. When I first got the ring, I could see a circle in the center and that slightly bothered me. I went on vacation and now the ring looks totally cloudy and dull (when looking from the top). Could I have done something to the ring? I swam in the pool with it on, but I saw many other ladies with MUCH bigger rings on in the pool. Thanks.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 12:21:02 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 12:30:53 PM | |
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004 |
Date: 7/13/2006 12:21:02 PM Author: yellowsparkles quick background: This is a ring that I bought, but am now having second thoughts. When I first got the ring, I could see a circle in the center and that slightly bothered me. I went on vacation and now the ring looks totally cloudy and dull (when looking from the top). Could I have done something to the ring? I swam in the pool with it on, but I saw many other ladies with MUCH bigger rings on in the pool. Try giving it a good cleaning.  I have a cushion as well and I have noticed that if I don't clean it frequently (read: everyday) it looks cloudy AND the SI2 inclusions are more visible.I would also looove to hear/see more about this ring and this stone! Please share!
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 12:30:53 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 3:41:35 PM | |
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yellowsparkles Cut Rock Total Posts: 312 Last Post: 3/8/2008 Member Since: 5/21/2006 |
Thanks for the responses again. Fetafelice, I accepted the flaws at first because I read that in colored diamonds, color color color is the most important factor. Anyway. Please keep any comments comming. Honesty is greatly appreciated.... if this ring is a "dud" then I definately want to trade up. Cheers! 
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 3:41:35 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 3:53:49 PM | |
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fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004 |
Well, it is hard to see much in that picture, but it looks like a lovely cut! If you do a search, you'll find a ton of suggestions on cleaning. A dip in the pool might not remove greasy fingerprints or suntan lotion, and it might leave hard water or other mineral deposits, I would think. To be honest, I'm not sure I would wear my ring in the pool. To clean, I just soak my ring in hot water with a little dish soap and then lightly scrub it all over and under with a really soft toothbrush to make sure there is no soap residue or other dirt left on it. Then (b/c I'm weird), I dry it off with a hair dryer to make sure there are no water spots. But if you are truly worried about it, take it in to the nearest jeweler and they will steam clean it for you.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 3:53:49 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 4:01:12 PM | |
CaptAubrey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 862 Last Post: 3/23/2009 Member Since: 3/28/2004 |
That diamond does not look like a dud to me--it looks like a very nice fancy yellow stone. Do you know the color grade? Swimming in a public pool is asking for trouble. Diamonds are grease magnets, which means that while you're swimming your diamond is busy collecting all the suntan oil and bodily fluids floating around in the water. That's the cause of the cloudiness--a coating of grease over the stone. Fortunately, it's easily removed with jewelry cleaner.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 4:01:12 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 4:02:27 PM | |
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yellowsparkles Cut Rock Total Posts: 312 Last Post: 3/8/2008 Member Since: 5/21/2006 |
I took this with my camera. Not sure how it will turn out. It's not easy taking good photos!! thanks. 
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 4:02:27 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 4:06:27 PM | |
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yellowsparkles Cut Rock Total Posts: 312 Last Post: 3/8/2008 Member Since: 5/21/2006 |
Capt Aubrey, I LOVE your avitar. I didn't think about the grease, etc floating around in pools. I was at this really nice resort in Boca and there were some ladies there with HUGE rocks on their fingers and in their ears. AMAZING. really. Anyway - I got lazy about taking off the rings and I swam with them on. The yellow ring looks cloudy now but my eternity band looks fine. Hmmmm.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 4:06:27 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 4:11:32 PM | |
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yellowsparkles Cut Rock Total Posts: 312 Last Post: 3/8/2008 Member Since: 5/21/2006 |
Capt Aubrey, To answer your question about color grade. My HRD cert says Fancy Intense Yellow. I took it to a master gemologist while on vacation in Calif and her opinion is Fancy Yellow (medium yellow). So I am not sure what to go by. I liked the color.... now I will work on cleaning it tomorrow. Thanks.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 4:11:32 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 4:44:58 PM | |
Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,603 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Date: 7/13/2006 9:52:23 AM Oh look! *ANOTHER* cushion cut! hahahaha... :D ::adding it to my list::Author:yellowsparkles Please take a look at this diagram. Can anyone shed some light on the inclusions found in this diamond? In your opinion is this SI1 or SI2. I have heard both. Would the circle be very visible? Your response/opinion is greatly appreciated. Oop, sorry... I don't have any advice for you, I just went a little nuts for a moment ;) Sara |
| Posted: 7/13/2006 4:44:58 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 4:46:24 PM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,603 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
oh THAT circle in the middle? that's likely the culet. Handsome cut on that stone BTW, love the corners. It's pretty unique.
Sara |
| Posted: 7/13/2006 4:46:24 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 4:48:15 PM | |
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Cehrabehra Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,603 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2006 |
Okay (@@ at self) skip the culet coment, I'm not thinking clearly... JMO, on a cushion I would be careful about having inclusions right in the middle of the stone. When you're blinded by brilliance in an ideal round IMO you don't notice stuff as much as you do on the other cuts like asschers and cushions.
Sara |
| Posted: 7/13/2006 4:48:15 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 4:50:08 PM | |
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yellowsparkles Cut Rock Total Posts: 312 Last Post: 3/8/2008 Member Since: 5/21/2006 |
Cehra, Thanks for the post. I have been reading your posts on cushion cuts. I love them too. As for the circle in the center - no its not the culet. On the HRD cert - Culet is none. To me this is a modern cut - more brilliant than cushion. However, I am not the expert. I love the chunky cushions though. Thanks again.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 4:50:08 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 4:58:59 PM | |
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yellowsparkles Cut Rock Total Posts: 312 Last Post: 3/8/2008 Member Since: 5/21/2006 |
Cehra, I agree with you on not getting any inclusions in the center on fancy cuts. The thing is, I got this ring and took it to an independant appraiser (master gemologist, blah blah). At that time, I had a poor copy of the cert and the diagram was verly poorly copied. The appraiser said "SI1" and pointed to something in the 10 O'clock position. I am assuming the ring was upside down according to the diagram where there is an inclusion at the 4 o'clock position. She liked it, but turns out she didn't agree with the color (fancy intense vs fancy yellow). no biggie. I was more concerned with the SI1 vs SI2 grading. Once I agreed to buy the ring, I got the cert and noticed that the diagram has a circle in the center. I noticed a light "something" in the center. Kinda looked like you were seeing the circle of the ring mounting through the ring... I couldn't decide. Anyway - I had to make a quick decision and bought the ring. Now that the ring looks totally dull is driving me nuts. I will try cleaning it tomorrow, but for some reason I am having doubts. Could I have done something to the stone to make it totally cloudy? Thanks again for your posts.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 4:58:59 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 4:59:02 PM | |
belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004 |
clean the ring! diamonds MUST be clean to look their best. even after a day of normal wear, the natural dirt and oils from your skin is deposited on the diamond making it less sparkly. you can use windex or even soap and water. get a small toothbruch and give it a good cleaning each day and it will look much better. the ring looks quite stunning!
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 4:59:02 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 5:02:56 PM | |
RockDoc Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,509 Last Post: 6/17/2007 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
Hi Sparkles Gee you were here in Boca..... Lots of big diamond rings here..... Should have stopped around to say hi. Rockdoc also in Boca
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 5:02:56 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 5:14:30 PM | |
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yellowsparkles Cut Rock Total Posts: 312 Last Post: 3/8/2008 Member Since: 5/21/2006 |
Rock Doc, Darn, If I had known, I would have stopped by. I am living in the English Countryside at the moment, so there isn't much chance of stopping by a jeweler to get my ring cleaned / or looked at. I really appreciate everyones replies - I am feeling a tad better. Thanks.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 5:14:30 PM | |
| P: 7/13/2006 6:36:10 PM | |
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CaptAubrey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 862 Last Post: 3/23/2009 Member Since: 3/28/2004 |
Date: 7/13/2006 4:58:59 PM Author: yellowsparkles Now that the ring looks totally dull is driving me nuts. I will try cleaning it tomorrow, but for some reason I am having doubts. Could I have done something to the stone to make it totally cloudy? No--diamonds are pretty tough. Unless you went after it with a blowtorch, I don't think you could have done anything to it. It's likely just dirty.On the color grade, I'd be inclined to trust the HRD report. They have the fancy yellow masterstones to assign a fancy diamond color grade; that appraiser almost certainly does not. If the color in the image is accurate, it looks to me to be around the FY/FIY boundary, so maybe it's a borderline stone (caveat--you cannot color grade from an electronic image, so this is just a guess  ). Color grading fancy-color diamonds is very tricky and only for the real experts.
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| Posted: 7/13/2006 6:36:10 PM | |
| P: 7/14/2006 3:48:41 PM | |
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yellowsparkles Cut Rock Total Posts: 312 Last Post: 3/8/2008 Member Since: 5/21/2006 |
I just want to say thank you to everyone who replied to my post. I cleaned the ring as recommended and yes, it looks great.  I was a little worried. I think it all started after I visited the Tiffany's (at some mall in Boca) and the salesman made me feel bad about my ring. He used the usual sales tactics...like undermining the carat size of the ring and the clarity, etc. It was just dirty! Anyway, I still believe Tiffany's have beautiful stuff - I just wouldn't buy from the salesman I encountered.Thanks again! 
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| Posted: 7/14/2006 3:48:41 PM | |
| P: 7/14/2006 4:03:23 PM | |
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belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004 |
yay! glad to hear it's all a sparkle again! it really is a beautiful ring and the color looks great. keep that baby clean and wear it with pride!
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| Posted: 7/14/2006 4:03:23 PM | |
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