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heirloom: where to buy. Tiffany, Graff, HW

P: 4/19/2006 11:15:21 PM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	okay this sort of carries forward from the Tiffany thread earlier. If you wanted to buy an E-Ring or Eternity band and you not only wanted the very best stones and the added value of the name what do you do? in the end..it would seem that rings and such signed T & co etc have a higher long term value due to their "provenance"
Posted: 4/19/2006 11:15:21 PM

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P: 4/19/2006 11:27:40 PM
widget Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,254 Last Post: 12/20/2008 Member Since: 11/12/2004	Author:windowshopper ..it would seem that rings and such signed T & co etc have a higher long term value due to their 'provenance' I think this is really true. Signed period/antique jewelry always command higher prices than their unsigned equivalents. Even modern "formerly owned" stuff seems to hold its value better and is certainlly easier to sell. They seem to move pretty fast at Signed Pieces, Pearlman's, etc. I suspect that any higher end signature would help, but probably the 'big guns" are T&Co, Cartier, VCA, HW (not necessarily in that order..) JMO widget
Posted: 4/19/2006 11:27:40 PM

P: 4/19/2006 11:34:19 PM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	okay--so lets say you could pick between a 2 carat rb of superb quality in a generic platinum setting or a 2 carat of vey good but not great quality in a VCA or T & co.................
Posted: 4/19/2006 11:34:19 PM

P: 4/20/2006 1:30:24 AM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	Every time I a signed engagement ring priced a hair above the cost of the diamonds in them at an estate sale, I think of the first buyer who paid the rent for spending time with the bauble between the shop's door and the estate sale shelf. Was it worth it for them? 'Bet it was. Is there any difference between 'heirloom' and 'investment'? Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 4/20/2006 1:30:24 AM

P: 4/20/2006 8:11:23 AM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	Date: 4/20/2006 1:30:24 AM Author: valeria101 Every time I a signed engagement ring priced a hair above the cost of the diamonds in them at an estate sale, I think of the first buyer who paid the rent for spending time with the bauble between the shop's door and the estate sale shelf. Was it worth it for them? 'Bet it was. Is there any difference between 'heirloom' and 'investment'? good point Anna--maybe it wasnt afterall. OR is it really only a hair more?
Posted: 4/20/2006 8:11:23 AM

P: 4/20/2006 8:24:51 AM
mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,859 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005	Date: 4/19/2006 11:34:19 PM Author: windowshopper okay--so lets say you could pick between a 2 carat rb of superb quality in a generic platinum setting or a 2 carat of vey good but not great quality in a VCA or T & co................. I think it totally depends if the name and what it represents is important to you. If I could pick, I'd take the ideal generic 2 carat but that's because I never dreamed of owning a ring from Tiffany's as a little girl, not even after I saw the movie But I can see how someone who has always dreamed of Tiffany's would choose the Tiffany ring hands down. If hubby decided to suprise me with a 2 carat ring from Tiffany's I surely would not reject it And if resale is in the equation, a do believe you can sell a brand name for a better price, a lot quicker than a generic stone ----------------------------- A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.
Posted: 4/20/2006 8:24:51 AM

P: 4/20/2006 8:44:44 AM
solange Ideal Rock Total Posts: 871 Last Post: 8/23/2008 Member Since: 2/20/2004	If I wanted a unique and magnificent piece of jewelry of heirloom quailty, I would go to Fred Leighton, Hollis Reh or Edith Weber. They carry the older unique, custom designed pieces that Cartier, Van Cleef, Tiffany and Harry Winston were known for. Their prices are high but you are getting rare and unusual pieces that are not made any more. As to new pieces bought at Tiffany, etc., they may have a slightly better resale value but you will have paid so much more in the first place and the present styles are far from unique. Jewelry, for the most part, is not a good investment but if anything is going to hold its value and be treasured as an heirloom, It is the exquisite older pieces by famous makers.
Posted: 4/20/2006 8:44:44 AM

P: 4/20/2006 8:47:58 AM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	Date: 4/20/2006 8:24:51 AM Author: mrssalvo Date: 4/19/2006 11:34:19 PM Author: windowshopper okay--so lets say you could pick between a 2 carat rb of superb quality in a generic platinum setting or a 2 carat of vey good but not great quality in a VCA or T &amp; co................. I think it totally depends if the name and what it represents is important to you. If I could pick, I'd take the ideal generic 2 carat but that's because I never dreamed of owning a ring from Tiffany's as a little girl, not even after I saw the movie But I can see how someone who has always dreamed of Tiffany's would choose the Tiffany ring hands down. If hubby decided to suprise me with a 2 carat ring from Tiffany's I surely would not reject it And if resale is in the equation, a do believe you can sell a brand name for a better price, a lot quicker than a generic stone yes it is interesting: i would never buy an e-ring or studs or anything that was simply stones--say even a diamond pendant. However, what I am considering is an eternity band that is very elaborate with multi colored stones in a fabulous design. I dont think I can find anything comparable for less or much less. Those type of pieces require a lot of labor (not just setting 23 rounds ina channel) --my dilemma is that I love this piece. I think its crazy $$$ but I dont think I can acquire anything comparable--for any less and certainly not the same
Posted: 4/20/2006 8:47:58 AM

P: 4/20/2006 8:48:45 AM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	is edith weber on madison ave? where is hollis reh?
Posted: 4/20/2006 8:48:45 AM

P: 4/20/2006 8:56:06 AM
solange Ideal Rock Total Posts: 871 Last Post: 8/23/2008 Member Since: 2/20/2004	Edith Weber is on Madison Avenue. Hollis Reh is in Southhampton, N.Y.
Posted: 4/20/2006 8:56:06 AM

P: 4/20/2006 9:06:55 AM
blodthecat Ideal Rock Total Posts: 788 Last Post: 7/30/2006 Member Since: 10/17/2005	It's all about what matters to you. When the ring is on your finger, no one else will know where your ring was bought from. I personally would want the most bling for my $ However, if the name 'Tiffany & Co' matters to you, and you are buying your ring as a long term investment, then that's the route to go. Personal preference!
Posted: 4/20/2006 9:06:55 AM

P: 4/20/2006 9:23:38 AM
widget Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,254 Last Post: 12/20/2008 Member Since: 11/12/2004	Ok....here's another question: If you had a BF with a $10,000 budget who absolutely INSISTED on finding and buying your engagement ring with no input or direction from you....who knows little or nothing about diamonds/jewelry, would you rather he go to Tiffany's, or just turn him loose? widget ETA: Windowshopper: I just saw your post! What are you considering/dreaming about? You can bet you'll get no discouragement from me!
Posted: 4/20/2006 9:23:38 AM

P: 4/20/2006 9:24:23 AM
mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,859 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005	WindowShopper, I am a firm believer if you find a designer piece you love, it's best to just pay the premium and get it. There are certain desinger rings I love and similar would not cut it for me. I have even tried getting something "close' to what I want and was never happy and ended up spending more in the long run. Plus, many times with custom, things change,even slightly, and if you think you'd be unhappy with any modifications, I'd say get the real deal. If I was going to buy a tiffany, I'd at least want it to be something that truly is unique to Tiffany, like the eternity band you described, or the Lucida or something. ----------------------------- A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.
Posted: 4/20/2006 9:24:23 AM

P: 4/20/2006 9:35:09 AM
widget Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,254 Last Post: 12/20/2008 Member Since: 11/12/2004	Date: 4/19/2006 11:34:19 PM Author: windowshopper okay--so lets say you could pick between a 2 carat rb of superb quality in a generic platinum setting or a 2 carat of vey good but not great quality in a VCA or T & co................. I'd go for the VCA or T&Co....I'm confident that the quality of the diamond would be good enough to please me or just about anyone else...except perhaps for a few PSers!... widget
Posted: 4/20/2006 9:35:09 AM

P: 4/20/2006 9:40:48 AM
Bridget S. Ideal Rock Total Posts: 509 Last Post: 1/22/2007 Member Since: 6/21/2004	Hey WS, I faced a similar dilemma and I chose the Tiffany and Co. route. I fell in love with the ring attached and wanted it for my e-ring. I knew it was a lot of money, and thought it was probable that I could have it replicated. One thing that really set me in my tracks was the violation of copyright, sure I could find someone who could rip it off, but that is also how I would have felt wearing it. After all, this ring is not a solitaire, or a simple channel band, the design is quite intricate. I also took into consideration the workmanship, and man! the colour of the aquamarine. I have had it for two years in June and I still adore it. I doubt that I would pay Tiffany money for a solitaire, but who can say never? I saw your post in the other Tiffany thread and you mentioned that the ring you are considering has coloured stones in it? If that is the case, I would DEFINITELY go with the TCO ring, as it would be a hard feat to find such beautiful coloured stones without a great deal of hassle (unless you have a source for fine gems already). My opinion : ) I wish you well, Bridget Pterodactyls rule. Except for the whole being extinct thing.
Posted: 4/20/2006 9:40:48 AM

P: 4/20/2006 9:41:13 AM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	Date: 4/20/2006 9:23:38 AM Author: widget Ok....here's another question: If you had a BF with a $10,000 budget who absolutely INSISTED on finding and buying your engagement ring with no input or direction from you....who knows little or nothing about diamonds/jewelry, would you rather he go to Tiffany's, or just turn him loose? widget ETA: Windowshopper: I just saw your post! What are you considering/dreaming about? You can bet you'll get no discouragement from me! Widget: great question --i would definitely go with T & co. You would be guaranteed a minimum of very good quality with an upgrade guaranteed. Turning him loose would be a disaster
Posted: 4/20/2006 9:41:13 AM

P: 4/20/2006 9:41:37 AM
solange Ideal Rock Total Posts: 871 Last Post: 8/23/2008 Member Since: 2/20/2004	Windowshopper, In your case, I do not get the impression that the Tiffany name is the deciding factor. If this is the ring of your dreams, you will not be happy with anything else. I'm familiar with it and it is gorgeous. You may not find anything comparable and having someone try to imitate it may lead to frustration. If you have looked around and not found anything comparable, then you should go ahead and buy it. I would not count on it as an investment A ring like this would probably be hard to resell because it cannot be resized and I doubt that it is one of a kind. But sometimes, if you really love something and are obsessing over it, the memory of it will linger and nothing else will do. I hope you get it and that it brings you great pleasure.
Posted: 4/20/2006 9:41:37 AM

P: 4/20/2006 9:48:23 AM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	Bridget, Widget Mrs Salvo: Thanks --I am feeling better about my possible purchase. It is a wide (maybe about 3/4" wide) platinum "eternity" ( all the way aound design) band : the outer edges are rimmed with a row of maybe 1 pointers or so, the interior is a repeating design of a circular pattern slightly floral feeling (but not specifically flowers) comprised of sapphires, emeralds and diamonds. dont know the era represented but sort of a cross between deco and edwardian (in my opinion)
Posted: 4/20/2006 9:48:23 AM

P: 4/20/2006 9:48:59 AM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	Date: 4/20/2006 9:40:48 AM Author: Bridget S. Hey WS, I faced a similar dilemma and I chose the Tiffany and Co. route. I fell in love with the ring attached and wanted it for my e-ring. I knew it was a lot of money, and thought it was probable that I could have it replicated. One thing that really set me in my tracks was the violation of copyright, sure I could find someone who could rip it off, but that is also how I would have felt wearing it. After all, this ring is not a solitaire, or a simple channel band, the design is quite intricate. I also took into consideration the workmanship, and man! the colour of the aquamarine. I have had it for two years in June and I still adore it. I doubt that I would pay Tiffany money for a solitaire, but who can say never? I saw your post in the other Tiffany thread and you mentioned that the ring you are considering has coloured stones in it? If that is the case, I would DEFINITELY go with the TCO ring, as it would be a hard feat to find such beautiful coloured stones without a great deal of hassle (unless you have a source for fine gems already). My opinion : ) I wish you well, Bridget Bridget --GORGEOUS VICTORIA RING!
Posted: 4/20/2006 9:48:59 AM

P: 4/20/2006 9:51:13 AM
widget Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,254 Last Post: 12/20/2008 Member Since: 11/12/2004	WS...it sounds fabulous...I'm heading over to their website right now to look...hope it's there!!
Posted: 4/20/2006 9:51:13 AM

P: 4/20/2006 9:52:57 AM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	Date: 4/20/2006 9:41:37 AM Author: solange Windowshopper, In your case, I do not get the impression that the Tiffany name is the deciding factor. If this is the ring of your dreams, you will not be happy with anything else. I'm familiar with it and it is gorgeous. You may not find anything comparable and having someone try to imitate it may lead to frustration. If you have looked around and not found anything comparable, then you should go ahead and buy it. I would not count on it as an investment A ring like this would probably be hard to resell because it cannot be resized and I doubt that it is one of a kind. But sometimes, if you really love something and are obsessing over it, the memory of it will linger and nothing else will do. I hope you get it and that it brings you great pleasure. Solange: excellent points. No it is not one of a kind--maybe one of a several as opposed to thousands...I am not so naive to consider something an investment with jewelry but i like to have options and know that it will have significant value not necessarily full value--however the limitations on size do impact resale....and NO i would never try to have it imitated. And NO Tiffany & c name is not at all the deciding factor in fact i wish it were the same exact thing by anonymous and Co. for 30% less!!!
Posted: 4/20/2006 9:52:57 AM

P: 4/20/2006 9:55:55 AM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	Date: 4/20/2006 9:51:13 AM Author: widget WS...it sounds fabulous...I'm heading over to their website right now to look...hope it's there!! dont think it is.........the salesperson did a search as i needed a different size and there are only two in the US
Posted: 4/20/2006 9:55:55 AM

P: 4/20/2006 10:17:24 AM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	SOLANGE: I am guessinng you are here in Manhattan or around this area.....have you purchased any thing from Stephen Russell?
Posted: 4/20/2006 10:17:24 AM

P: 4/20/2006 10:51:47 AM
solange Ideal Rock Total Posts: 871 Last Post: 8/23/2008 Member Since: 2/20/2004	I do not know Stephen Russell. Where is he located? Some of my friends buy nice estate jewelry from some small shops on 47th Street. I have not done that either so there is no one I can recommend.
Posted: 4/20/2006 10:51:47 AM

P: 4/20/2006 10:53:22 AM
DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,927 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004	Stephen Russell have an amazing shop with exquisite jewelry piecess, i recomend to go and see!!!! ********************** >Y< Yoram F. Antique Diamond Gem http://www.diagem.net/ "When it doesn't exist, design it..." Sir Henry Royce
Posted: 4/20/2006 10:53:22 AM

P: 4/20/2006 10:54:46 AM
DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,927 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004	they are located on Madison around 75th. Street, its worth while going to see..... ********************** >Y< Yoram F. Antique Diamond Gem http://www.diagem.net/ "When it doesn't exist, design it..." Sir Henry Royce
Posted: 4/20/2006 10:54:46 AM

P: 4/20/2006 12:30:44 PM
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,918 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004	WS, It sounds like a fabulous ring. I hope you can post a pic for us to see!!! ____________________________ Piece of cake and a candle. ng gift
Posted: 4/20/2006 12:30:44 PM

P: 4/20/2006 1:26:38 PM
Bridget S. Ideal Rock Total Posts: 509 Last Post: 1/22/2007 Member Since: 6/21/2004	WS, It sounds just lovely! I hope they have it in your size and that you post pictures! : ) I know that Tiffany gets bashed a lot, but I adore them and I find their designs just lovely. I know you pay a premium, but I do think it's worth it. Again, not sure I would spend the money on a solitaire, but I must say that despite may solitaires being "Tiffany-esque", I often feel that they lack the fluidity and flow of an original Tiffany & Co. IMHO : ) I wish you well, Bridget Pterodactyls rule. Except for the whole being extinct thing.
Posted: 4/20/2006 1:26:38 PM

P: 4/20/2006 1:48:42 PM
icekid Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,555 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 11/17/2004	interesting thread! windowshopper- I totally think you should get the ring! I don't think it's too often that you'll completely fall for a piece like you seem to have for this band. (plus, I'd love to see pictures )
Posted: 4/20/2006 1:48:42 PM

P: 4/20/2006 2:04:07 PM
tracys126 Cut Rock Total Posts: 245 Last Post: 7/21/2006 Member Since: 4/4/2006	Hi WS, I noticed a gorgeous Harry Winston on the Signed Pieces website under "other designers" I believe. It's gorgeous and looks to have really held it's value. Good luck! Tracy
Posted: 4/20/2006 2:04:07 PM

P: 4/20/2006 8:00:20 PM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	wait til you see these........................
Posted: 4/20/2006 8:00:20 PM

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