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| P: 4/5/2006 11:05:28 AM | |
TheAppearing Rough Rock Total Posts: 6 Last Post: 4/6/2006 Member Since: 4/5/2006 |
I just received a copy of an EGL certification of a round brilliant diamond that I am interested in purchasing. However, the proportions just don't seem right...... Seeking the advice of the experts....Please HELP Carat 1.12ct Measurements 6.61 - 6.54 x 4.14 mm Depth: 62.9% Table: 62% Crown: 14.0% Pavilion 45.0% Girdle: Thin to Thick Faceted Culet: none Polish: Good Sym: Good Clarity SI1 Color I Flour none From the point of view of those with far greater diamond knowledge than myself, how can I predict the quality in cut of this diamond? (Besides using programs like Diamcalc that I cannot afford). Thanks for all your efforts in advance! 
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| Posted: 4/5/2006 11:05:28 AM | |
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| P: 4/5/2006 11:14:39 AM | |
Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
I would keep looking! From the HCA: Factor Grade: Light Return Good Fire Poor Scintillation Fair Spread or diameter for weight Very Good Total Visual Performance 5.9 - Good - Only if price is your main criterion Any other contendors?
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| Posted: 4/5/2006 11:14:39 AM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 11:26:46 AM | |
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TheAppearing Rough Rock Total Posts: 6 Last Post: 4/6/2006 Member Since: 4/5/2006 |
yeah, I looked at HCA too but price is a major concern, but I am torn on how much it shoud impact my purchase.
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| Posted: 4/5/2006 11:26:46 AM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 11:34:11 AM | |
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Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
Well, just a few things to think about: 1) a well cut stone is going to look bigger/better than a poorly cut stone 2) with an EGL cert you may think you are getting an "I" SI1 stone, but the grading is sometimes soft with EGL and you may end up with something 1-2 grades lower 3) Cut is the most important "c". Cut is key! Dont forget that! 4) I see you are looking at the 1ct range, why not go a little smaller, just below a carat...it will save you some money and if an ideal cut will face up just as large. What is your budget? What is your color/clarity requirements? Let us help you find something good!
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| Posted: 4/5/2006 11:34:11 AM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 11:46:25 AM | |
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,271 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Welcome to PS Virginia gives good advice. This could be a lovely diamond, but the proportions could be better, especially with that large table, however some think a larger table can make a diamond look bigger. I would take Virginia's advice and keep looking, cut is crucial for a beautiful diamond, while this one might be attractive, you could find a real dazzler with a bit more searching. Don't forget carat doesn't necessarily mean size, better a well cut 1 carat than a so so 1.10 for example, you want the carat weight to be seen, you would be surprised if you could compare an Ideal Cut diamond to a lesser cut which may be heavier, and see the better cut looks the same to a little larger. EGL diamonds, especially the EGL USA can be great bargains if you are prepared to look and hunt around, the price tag will be lower in many cases, if budget is a concern they can be a way to get more diamond for your money, but with any diamond it is best to get an independant appraisal during the return period to make sure it checks out. Hope this helps.  Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 4/5/2006 11:46:25 AM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 11:58:23 AM | |
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Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
Date: 4/5/2006 11:46:25 AM Author: Lorelei Welcome to PS Virginia gives good advice. This could be a lovely diamond, but the proportions could be better, especially with that large table, however some think a larger table can make a diamond look bigger. I would take Virginia's advice and keep looking, cut is crucial for a beautiful diamond, while this one might be attractive, you could find a real dazzler with a bit more searching. Don't forget carat doesn't necessarily mean size, better a well cut 1 carat than a so so 1.10 for example, you want the carat weight to be seen, you would be surprised if you could compare an Ideal Cut diamond to a lesser cut which may be heavier, and see the better cut looks the same to a little larger. EGL diamonds, especially the EGL USA can be great bargains if you are prepared to look and hunt around, the price tag will be lower in many cases, if budget is a concern they can be a way to get more diamond for your money, but with any diamond it is best to get an independant appraisal during the return period to make sure it checks out. Hope this helps. Awwww, thanks! Your advice is always top-notch!  Anyway, TheAppearing- give us your budget and let me/us take a look around and see if we can do better for you in your price range!
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| Posted: 4/5/2006 11:58:23 AM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 12:03:12 PM | |
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TheAppearing Rough Rock Total Posts: 6 Last Post: 4/6/2006 Member Since: 4/5/2006 |
Thanks Virginia & Lorelei!! My price allotted to the diamond is maxed at $3K. From there I was thinking that I could get a better value of a diamond by cutting back on clarity (SI1 or 2), color (H or I), sym, and polish. And as Lorelei observed most of which I found in this "value" range were EGL cert. Thus far I have spent days searching various sites such as Blue Nile, PS, and now union diamond. The cut of this stone is classified as "Premium" . But again those making that decision are the salesmen. In order to receive an established objective cert ie AGS or GIA, I believe that the overall price will jump out of my range. Any assistance is GREATLY GREATLY GREATLY appreciated!!!!!
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| Posted: 4/5/2006 12:03:12 PM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 12:06:48 PM | |
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Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
3k?!? Great Budget! We can work with that! Just dont cut back on CUT! Give me a few minutes to look around for you!
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| Posted: 4/5/2006 12:06:48 PM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 12:14:56 PM | |
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Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,271 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Hi Virgie! Ok I will have a nose too - bet we find the same ones Found this http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-1958368.htm it's a K though but would still blow socks off, depends how you feel about a warmer colour.....but it would still be fabulous! Just under a carat and within budget. http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-2323660.htm this one too, $100 over budget though and .80 carat - it is looking like we will have to drop under the carat mark with the supercuts This one http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1948513.htm# might be eyeclean, but if not the inclusions might be prongable, within budget too, but it is a .70 Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 4/5/2006 12:14:56 PM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 12:24:34 PM | |
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Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
OK, how about THIS one from James Allen HCA: Factor Grade Light Return Excellent Fire Excellent Scintillation Excellent Spread or diameter for weight Very Good Total Visual Performance 1.7 - Excellent within TIC range .92 I SI2. And GIA certified to boot. It will look as large as the one you picked, I think. ETA: It is 95 bucks over budget, but I think it would be worth it! An I is a great color and as long as this stone is eyeclean I think it would be nice and close to your size wish! We got ours from Josh@JamesAllen.com and DCD is the same company. I would contact him!!
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| Posted: 4/5/2006 12:24:34 PM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 12:30:27 PM | |
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Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
Date: 4/5/2006 12:14:56 PM Author: Lorelei Hi Virgie! Ok I will have a nose too - bet we find the same onesFound this http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-1958368.htm it's a K though but would still blow socks off, depends how you feel about a warmer colour.....but it would still be fabulous! Just under a carat and within budget. http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-2323660.htm this one too, $100 over budget though and .80 carat - it is looking like we will have to drop under the carat mark with the supercuts This one http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1948513.htm# might be eyeclean, but if not the inclusions might be prongable, within budget too, but it is a .70 He he, we just started off looking in different places, but those are nice too!
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| Posted: 4/5/2006 12:30:27 PM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 12:34:20 PM | |
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Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,271 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Yes, good pick on yours too - nice linky also! Where did you find the crown and pav angles? I couldn't see them on the site - I must be getting old......
Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 4/5/2006 12:34:20 PM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 12:37:02 PM | |
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Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
Date: 4/5/2006 12:34:20 PM Author: Lorelei Yes, good pick on yours too - nice linky also! Where did you find the crown and pav angles? I couldn't see them on the site - I must be getting old...... Your not getting old! It is on the cert because it is a new GIA report which includes the angles! PS- I wanted to add that you get a 1.5% discount if you were to do a bank wire and that would put the diamond right in your budget!
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| Posted: 4/5/2006 12:37:02 PM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 12:42:12 PM | |
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Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
Date: 4/5/2006 12:24:34 PM Author: Virginia OK, how about THIS one from James Allen HCA: Factor Grade Light Return Excellent Fire Excellent Scintillation Excellent Spread or diameter for weight Very Good Total Visual Performance 1.7 - Excellent within TIC range .92 I SI2. And GIA certified to boot. It will look as large as the one you picked, I think. ETA: It is 95 bucks over budget, but I think it would be worth it! An I is a great color and as long as this stone is eyeclean I think it would be nice and close to your size wish! We got ours from Josh@JamesAllen.com and DCD is the same company. I would contact him!! Ohhhhh, one more thing! I just noticed this on the website: "April Special! Our bank wire discount is doubled from 1.5% to 3% this month! Just mention code DX501 when calling. Credit card orders receive 1.5% discount. Offer not valid with any other discounts or promotions." Niiiice! The main inclusion in this one is a feather. I prefer clear or white inclusions and since this is a feather it is probably white. You would want to have it sent in so they can tell you if it is "eye-clean" or not. It is hard to say looking at the cert...
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| Posted: 4/5/2006 12:42:12 PM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 12:44:41 PM | |
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Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
Date: 4/5/2006 12:14:56 PM Author: Lorelei Hi Virgie! Ok I will have a nose too - bet we find the same onesFound this http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-1958368.htm it's a K though but would still blow socks off, depends how you feel about a warmer colour.....but it would still be fabulous! Just under a carat and within budget. http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-2323660.htm this one too, $100 over budget though and .80 carat - it is looking like we will have to drop under the carat mark with the supercuts This one http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1948513.htm# might be eyeclean, but if not the inclusions might be prongable, within budget too, but it is a .70 Whats nice about these is that they are in house and that is an advantage because they will be able to eyeball them for you.
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| Posted: 4/5/2006 12:44:41 PM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 12:52:04 PM | |
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Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,271 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Duh - maybe if I had scrolled down further I might have found them!
Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 4/5/2006 12:52:04 PM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 7:38:59 PM | |
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Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
The Appearing: Did you see the replys yet? *bump* Just in case!
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| Posted: 4/5/2006 7:38:59 PM | |
| P: 4/5/2006 9:54:14 PM | |
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TheAppearing Rough Rock Total Posts: 6 Last Post: 4/6/2006 Member Since: 4/5/2006 |
Yes, I really loved the IDEAS!! You both caught on that I am trying to stay close to the 1 ct range. I wish I shared the same diamond seeking skills that you both exhibited! Have either of you used or worked with the site UnionDiamond.com? Any opinions on preferred websites? I especiially appreciate the "April Special"!! Got any more tricks up your sleeve? *Dazzeled*
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| Posted: 4/5/2006 9:54:14 PM | |
| P: 4/6/2006 9:28:30 AM | |
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Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
Date: 4/5/2006 9:54:14 PM Author: TheAppearing Yes, I really loved the IDEAS!! You both caught on that I am trying to stay close to the 1 ct range. I wish I shared the same diamond seeking skills that you both exhibited! Have either of you used or worked with the site UnionDiamond.com? Any opinions on preferred websites? I especiially appreciate the 'April Special'!! Got any more tricks up your sleeve? *Dazzeled* I saw your other psot about Union Diamond. I personally have not worked with them and have not really heard one way or another. Back a while ago there was some kind of problem (but I want to say it was like a year or so ago...not sure). Did you find another diamond you like there or a setting? Just curious! I worked with James Allen/DCD and they were so amazing that of course I am biased. And I hear nothing but good things about Whiteflash, too (of course I mention this because those were the vendors that we recomended the diamonds from). If I have time today I would be happy to take a look at whatever diamond you found over at Union to see how it "stacks" up. Of course, I am not an expert, just a diamond lover that wants you to have the best, brightest stone possible!
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| Posted: 4/6/2006 9:28:30 AM | |
| P: 4/6/2006 9:30:41 AM | |
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Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,271 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Good morning What have you found from UD???? I can also highly recommend my vendor Michael Jay Fifth Ave, he is a B&M and also has an online inventory. Being in the diamond district he can find any diamond you care to mention, plus he has a great attitude towards what he sells, a great return policy and huge choice. www.michaeljay.com His customer service is the best too - I am so happy I went with him.
Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn |
| Posted: 4/6/2006 9:30:41 AM | |
| P: 4/6/2006 10:42:08 AM | |
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Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
I am looking at Union diamond because it seems to be the one you want to go with THIS one is not too bad, and with in your budget. It is a GIA I SI2 and .91 Factor Grade Light Return Excellent Fire Very Good Scintillation Very Good Spread or diameter for weight Very Good Total Visual Performance 1.9 - Excellent within TIC range I am going to keep looking....
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| Posted: 4/6/2006 10:42:08 AM | |
| P: 4/6/2006 4:23:22 PM | |
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TheAppearing Rough Rock Total Posts: 6 Last Post: 4/6/2006 Member Since: 4/5/2006 |
Thanks for following up with me, you guys! UD has a setting that I have been "eyeing" but more importantly I am please with the selection and price. Two stones that I have looking at are http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?mod=search&search_type_id=2&action_type_id=2&item_id=AA150956 (out of my price range) http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?mod=search&search_type_id=2&action_type_id=2&item_id=AA132938 (much better $$ ways) They are checking on the second stone to make sure it would be considered "eye-clean" for me. Also their return policy is acceptable. And 3% off for any wire transfers!  What do you all think???
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| Posted: 4/6/2006 4:23:22 PM | |
| P: 4/6/2006 4:38:31 PM | |
Small Ideal Rock Total Posts: 957 Last Post: 4/18/2008 Member Since: 2/3/2006 |
I really like the one Virginia posted from Union of the 3 from Union that have been posted. It's a GIA cert and .91. I have a .92 and because of its cut it faces up as big as most mediocre 1cts. I have gotten lots of compliments on it since I've had for the last 2 weeks and today I was in a mall jewelry store and the associates were swooning asking me how big and the like. I wanted a 1ct also but for the money we wanted to spend I made sure I got the best cut I could get. .2mm isn't going to make that much of a difference visually really. Just a thought. I have an EGL certed diamond and it's good but this one is much better. You can find good EGLs out there you just have to be careful and search. Just my 2c. Good luck!
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| Posted: 4/6/2006 4:38:31 PM | |
| P: 4/6/2006 4:59:07 PM | |
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Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
Date: 4/6/2006 4:23:22 PM Author: TheAppearing Thanks for following up with me, you guys! UD has a setting that I have been 'eyeing' but more importantly I am please with the selection and price. Two stones that I have looking at are http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?mod=search&search_type_id=2&action_type_id=2&item_id=AA150956 (out of my price range) http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?mod=search&search_type_id=2&action_type_id=2&item_id=AA132938 (much better $$ ways) They are checking on the second stone to make sure it would be considered 'eye-clean' for me. Also their return policy is acceptable. And 3% off for any wire transfers! What do you all think??? Well, it is really your choice but I dont like either of them better than the one I posted for a few reasons..... Both you posted are EGL certs and both just a touch over 1ct mark. I believe that you are may not get the "deal" you are thinking. An EGL "I" may turn into a J or a K. Just a thought. Also, you have the clarity to think about. A GIA or AGS cert is a better bet to make sure you are getting what you are paying for. Also, the one I posted is closer to your budget and I suspect you would not see as much of a size difference as you think. But, it is indeed your choice! I see it is very important for you to have the 1ct mark....-.91 is still a nice size and I bet no one would think it was below a carat! Are you planning to use an independant appraier? Very important!!!! Even more important when you are dealing with an EGL cert!
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| Posted: 4/6/2006 4:59:07 PM | |
| P: 4/6/2006 5:11:21 PM | |
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Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
BTW- I could not pull up the EGL report for either, I guess they are not on file and I would not assume anything is "ideal" until I was able to plug the numbers into the HCA. Many times vendors (I am not inferring Union doing this) label something "ideal" and have little basis for it....Just a thought. If you are dead set between the two could you get the numbers and/or and idealscope image? Or have you already plugged the numbers into the HCA? Just my two cents....
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| Posted: 4/6/2006 5:11:21 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2006 10:21:37 AM | |
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Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
Good Morning! I hope you are well. While reading some new posts this morning I came across THIS which is an interesting explanation about the different labs (GIA, AGS, EGL to name a few) that I think could be helpful to you while you are attempting to make a decision!
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| Posted: 4/7/2006 10:21:37 AM | |
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