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which diamond do you like better? and why?

P: 4/4/2006 8:30:48 AM
dbgaap Ideal Rock Total Posts: 930 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 2/12/2004	Sooo... help me understand: Why do you like one versus the other? 1. 1.23 carat E color I1 GIA $4,344 depth 61.9% table 55% VG VG flour: Medium diameter 6.84x6.89x4.25 (Internet vendor) 2. 1.25~carat E color I1 GIA $6,100 depth 61.2% table 57.2% VG VG flour: none diameter 6.95 - 7.02 (B&M vendor) The price difference isn't as huge as it appears beacuse the trade-in allowance on my current stone is quite different with each vendor. The net cash out of my pocket is roughly the same. Thanks!!!!!!!!!
Posted: 4/4/2006 8:30:48 AM

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P: 4/4/2006 9:11:15 AM
IndieJones Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,216 Last Post: 4/27/2009 Member Since: 12/1/2005	A) Need more info. B) Neither. Unless you meant to type SI1, and not I1. I would never buy something that wasn't eyeclean or very close to it. If I really really had to have a stone a certain size and color, I'd buy somthing smaller from someone with an excellent trade up policy. ************************ Don't Worry, Be Happy!
Posted: 4/4/2006 9:11:15 AM

P: 4/4/2006 9:25:12 AM
Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005	We really need more information to tell you. If it is a new GIA cert it should provide the angles needed to run it through the HCA. Also, I1's are tricky! (I should know, I have one!) and if you cant see it, or if the internet vendor has not seen it...it could be tricky. If you have a copy of the cert you can see where the inclusion is and what it is and get a better idea. In my case the stone was virtual but Josh at James Allen was able to speak to someone who had seen it so he had a good idea. I love the idea of a clean I1 as (to me) it represents a great value but can require more work. My Stone But as you can see it can be done. Is the one at the B&M eyeclean? Have you examined it at all angles? To me it was important for it to be clean from the side as well (there is a sideshot in my thread). Just out of curiosity, what is the diamond for? A ring, a pendant?
Posted: 4/4/2006 9:25:12 AM

P: 4/4/2006 9:41:34 AM
Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005	One more thing, before I forget. Make sure you have a grace period in which you can take the stone to an independant appraiser. Spend the money and make sure you do it BEFORE the stone is set. Sometimes I1's (and I2's and I3's) have something called internal strain which could cause you problems (according to my appraiser) and could cause the stop to chip/break. You need to make sure that there is no issue like that! Also the size and placement of the inclusion could sometimes be a problem.
Posted: 4/4/2006 9:41:34 AM

P: 4/4/2006 9:43:34 AM
Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005	And an idealscope would be nice, too!
Posted: 4/4/2006 9:43:34 AM

P: 4/4/2006 9:55:06 AM
MissGotRocks Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,593 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 6/23/2005	Just wondering how you can have the option of trading with a B&M AND an internet vendor?
Posted: 4/4/2006 9:55:06 AM

P: 4/4/2006 10:11:42 AM
Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005	Date: 4/4/2006 9:55:06 AM Author: MissGotRocks Just wondering how you can have the option of trading with a B&M AND an internet vendor? I cant answer for her for sure, but, I do know that there are some internet vendors that will "trade" your stone in if it has a cert. and they think they have a good chance of selling it. And I am assuming that the B&M is where she bought the other diamond. Of course I could be wrong! You know what they say about the word ASSume!
Posted: 4/4/2006 10:11:42 AM

P: 4/4/2006 10:27:23 AM
dbgaap Ideal Rock Total Posts: 930 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 2/12/2004	Yes- Virginia, you are right! James Allen has their policy right on their website. I am already working with Jim. The B&M is where I originally bought the stone. (ooohhhh yeah, MY HUSBAND bought the stone!!! Sometimes I forget HE gave ME an engagement ring! ha ha. We have a pretty clear line of communication. He buys me gift jewelry for special occasions and he makes those decisions entirely on his own. It's always something new i would have never picked for myself. I wear them a lot and he has expanded my sense of style. BUT - on the e-ring & wedding ring? that's my domain! He even took me to Tiffany's over the weekend so I could look at their settings and study the Tiffany mystique. I was too intimidated to go alone)
Posted: 4/4/2006 10:27:23 AM

P: 4/4/2006 10:31:29 AM
Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005	Date: 4/4/2006 10:27:23 AM Author: dbgaap Yes- Virginia, you are right! James Allen has their policy right on their website. I am already working with Jim. The B&M is where I originally bought the stone. (ooohhhh yeah, MY HUSBAND bought the stone!!! Sometimes I forget HE gave ME an engagement ring! ha ha. We have a pretty clear line of communication. He buys me gift jewelry for special occasions and he makes those decisions entirely on his own. It's always something new i would have never picked for myself. I wear them a lot and he has expanded my sense of style. BUT - on the e-ring & wedding ring? that's my domain! He even took me to Tiffany's over the weekend so I could look at their settings and study the Tiffany mystique. I was too intimidated to go alone) Well James Allen is awesome and I think they could eyeball it for you and let you know how it looks. But they should be able to provide you with a sarin (or a copy of the new GIA report) and an idealsope pic (if it is in-house). Is it in house?
Posted: 4/4/2006 10:31:29 AM

P: 4/4/2006 10:32:50 AM
Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005	Also, do you live close enough to the office so you could take a look? That would be a big plus. I see the diamond on the website, but not the cert. please ask them for it and post the angles so we can help you better.
Posted: 4/4/2006 10:32:50 AM

P: 4/4/2006 2:02:39 PM
dbgaap Ideal Rock Total Posts: 930 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 2/12/2004	OK, here is more info: 1. 1.23 carat E color I1 GIA $4,344 depth 61.9% table 55% VG VG flour: Medium diameter 6.84x6.89x4.25 (Internet vendor) Crown Angle 33 Crown Height 14.5% Pavilion angle 41 Pavilion Depth 43% Star Length 55% Lower Half 80% Girdle Med to slightly thick, faceted cULET none finish vg polish vg FLOURESCENCE - MEDIUM BLUE Per Josh's phone call with supplier, the inclusions appear mostly beneath the facets, there are feathers, wisps It has "an eyeclean appearance" (of course, you CAN see the inclusions, but they are not black or under the table). 2. 1.33~carat E color I1 GIA $6,100 depth 61.2% table 57.2% VG VG flour: none diameter 6.95 - 7.02 (B&M vendor) crown angle 34.8 crown height 14.7 % pavil angle 41.0 pavil depth 43.1% culet .7 girdle 1.0 - 1.4 no flourescence This stone is verry white and sparkly. The inclusion is a knot and it is under the facets so it takes a good long while to find it. It is rather dark, but small.
Posted: 4/4/2006 2:02:39 PM

P: 4/4/2006 2:10:07 PM
Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005	ETA: Whoops, I only ran one, I must me losing my mind. I will run the other in a second... OK, I ran it (James Allen) throught the HCA and came up with this: Light Return: Excellent Fire: Excellent Scintillation: Excellent Spread or diameter for weight: Very Good Total Visual Performance 0.8 - Excellent within TIC range Some people like their rings more aroud 1.0, but my stone was....gosh, I think a .6 or .8 and I adore it. Are you going to be able to take a look at the stone or does it have to be shipped to you? As far as the one from the B&M stone, if you have more info we can run the HCA for that one too. It would bother me to have a dark inclusion, but this is just my own opinion. And I am no expert, so maybe someone else will chime in.
Posted: 4/4/2006 2:10:07 PM

P: 4/4/2006 2:11:16 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,922 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	hmmmm tough call. i think i like the B&M stone better from what you posted. i don't really like the shallower crown angle on the first stone, both pavs are 41 which is right out of my ideal range but it's still good for many people. though i do like the table and depth better on the first stone, the 2nd to me just seems like it'd be a better option, ESP when you talk about eye-clean, i like the idea of it being very hard to find the inclusions vs having an 'eyeclean appearance' where you may see more than you expect. but in reality i'd prefer something with the table and depth of the first one but with a crown angle closer to 34 AND eye-clean...not just eye-clean appearance. any other options?? oh also view the B&M stone in various lighting situations, see if it has fire or if it's too white brilliant. with that larger table it may be. HCA only gives it a 2.1. ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 4/4/2006 2:11:16 PM

P: 4/4/2006 2:14:59 PM
Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005	OK, I ran the B&M through the HCA and got this: Factor Grade Light Return Very Good Fire Very Good Scintillation Very Good Spread or diameter for weight Very Good Total Visual Performance 2.1 - Very Good - Worth buying if the price is right Soooo, not as good as number 1.
Posted: 4/4/2006 2:14:59 PM

P: 4/4/2006 2:19:13 PM
Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005	Per Josh's phone call with supplier, the inclusions appear mostly beneath the facets, there are feathers, wisps It has 'an eyeclean appearance' (of course, you CAN see the inclusions, but they are not black or under the table). Well, I guess it just depends....on mine you can "see" the inclusions...kinda sorta, not really...when you look for a long time or have magnified pics. Did you ask Josh what he thinks? If he thinks it has a good chance of being eyeclean I would say take a look.
Posted: 4/4/2006 2:19:13 PM

P: 4/4/2006 2:53:29 PM
dbgaap Ideal Rock Total Posts: 930 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 2/12/2004	Josh says the inclusion is a white feather on the edge of the table, extending to the crown. There was another I1: 1.13 E GIA Ideal. Inclusions are white feathers on edge. Supplier sent it back to be re-graded; he thinks it S/B SI2. If that comes back from re-grading in a reasonable period of time, I will look at that too. In the meantime, I am looking at a few more stones, slightly smaller, F color and SI2. (I mean I am having josh call on them) We'll see! Yes, I live in Md. so I can take a half day off and drive to Frederick to see the stones. Virginia, how many did you look at until you found "the one"?
Posted: 4/4/2006 2:53:29 PM

P: 4/4/2006 3:14:51 PM
Virginia Ideal Rock Total Posts: 999 Last Post: 7/14/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2005	Virginia, how many did you look at until you found 'the one'? I was super, super lucky. Just one stone! I was interested in a different stone and inquired about it but it was already gone. Josh emailed me back the same day about the stone I now have and it may sound funny, but I had such a good feeling about it and when I saw it I knew it was the "one". I live in NoVa and no I did the same thing, took a half-day and went to see it. If I were you and not in a rush I would take my time finding something perfect. I personally did not want any black inclusions. I like crystals as an inclusion because I think they are neat!
Posted: 4/4/2006 3:14:51 PM

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