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Diamond NooB needs help pleazzzzzzz |
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| P: 3/11/2006 8:24:58 PM | |
Razza Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 3/30/2006 Member Since: 3/11/2006 |
Hi everyone, uhm, first of all, i'm from the netherlands. I know whiteflash will deliver outside the US, but would u consider it unadvisable for some reason for me to buy from them considering my location? If so, are there other reputable online stores? I've never bought a diamond, only been looking at rings now for two days, wasn't that happy with the stones over here, pricewise/qualitywise. My budget is limited, since i'm still in college, so, i'm looking to spend about $1500-$1700 in total, maybe a little bit more, but that's about it. Oh, and it's for an e-ring. I have been looking online now for many hours already, and been to quite a lot of b&m stores too, but the more i see, the more i am unsure what to buy. I already learned some from this forum, about the 4 c's, and more, but i'm still not sure i can make a good decision on my own, so if u can give advise/feedback on this stone i found, i'd be very happy. Item Code: AGS-4007003 Price: $1,079.00 Report: AGS
Shape: A Cut Above H&A Carat: 0.374 Color: E Clarity: VS2 Depth: 61.4 Table: 56 Crown Angle: 34.7 Crown %: 15.3 Pavilion Angle: 40.8 Pavilion %: 42.9 Girdle: 1.7% to 2.2% Faceted Polish: Ideal Symmetry: Ideal Culet: None Fluorescence: Negligible Measurements: 4.62-4.64X2.85  Another question, can one really asses the sparkle realistically from the photo's online? I'm sceptical, and since i live in the netherlands, there is no way i can asses in real life if i would buy online from whiteflash. Can i trust the specs to judge sparkle? Even without ever having really seen the stone? Well, i wonder what u think of this stone, and what could be a better choice, considering my budget. I want to spend about $1000-$1100 on the stone alone. Thnx in advance :) |
| Posted: 3/11/2006 8:24:58 PM | |
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| P: 3/11/2006 8:27:32 PM | |
JulieN Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,148 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2005 |
looks great
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| Posted: 3/11/2006 8:27:32 PM | |
| P: 3/11/2006 8:34:32 PM | |
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,918 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004 |
Looks like a winner to me. Great choice!!! 
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| Posted: 3/11/2006 8:34:32 PM | |
| P: 3/11/2006 9:11:11 PM | |
sunkist Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,720 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 11/15/2005 |
Hi Razza! Welcome to PS!! The stone you chose looks great; the numbers look like it's going to be beautiful. If you can get someone at WF to tell you it's a dazzler, then I think you're set!
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| Posted: 3/11/2006 9:11:11 PM | |
| P: 3/11/2006 9:29:45 PM | |
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Razza Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 3/30/2006 Member Since: 3/11/2006 |
Hi all, thnx for the positive comments. Still wondering about my location/buying from WF, but since nobody even mentioned that, i assume it's not really an issue then. I guess i'm a bit apprehensive about it, since it's a lot of money (for me anyway) to spend online. And Sunkist, about asking someone from WF if it's a dazzler, u really think they won't just say it is, even when it's not? Won't they just try to sell it? As for size, does anyone think i should/could get a bigger one, if i look at stones with lesser clarity, colour etc, without compromising the overall quality of the stone? I kinda like the smaller stones though, as long as the sparkle is "perfect".
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| Posted: 3/11/2006 9:29:45 PM | |
| P: 3/11/2006 9:41:03 PM | |
jazmine Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,013 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 7/12/2005 |
Yes, with a great cut you can go down in color quite a bit and in clarity too, to a very nice eyeclean SI1. And no, WF will not say the diamond looks great if it does not. They are extremely honest and will often recommend less expesive diamonds if they feel they are nicer. They have no reason to be dishonest; they would just see diamonds being returned left and right.
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| Posted: 3/11/2006 9:41:03 PM | |
| P: 3/11/2006 11:10:58 PM | |
wallermama Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,030 Last Post: 4/25/2009 Member Since: 2/1/2006 |
There is also something like this...I don't know RB as well as others here but I know everyone loves the Expert Selection stones and this is a D, a little bigger, and ideal cut...as long as they say it is eye clean...and those selections usually are... http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-1955230.htm#
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| Posted: 3/11/2006 11:10:58 PM | |
| P: 3/11/2006 11:14:45 PM | |
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003 |
Can you believe the specs? No, but you can believe Whiteflash. They are very strict, and if it's an ACA it is surely nice. Stephan |
| Posted: 3/11/2006 11:14:45 PM | |
| P: 3/11/2006 11:51:06 PM | |
Garysax Cut Rock Total Posts: 305 Last Post: 11/15/2006 Member Since: 11/22/2005 |
Also, be careful with taxes, I think importing to the netherlands should land you a hefty luxury tax? I'm not sure though... does whiteflash handle this? I'm kind of curious actually.
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| Posted: 3/11/2006 11:51:06 PM | |
| P: 3/12/2006 2:32:11 AM | |
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Razza Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 3/30/2006 Member Since: 3/11/2006 |
@jazmine: okay, thnx for that info, i guess i'm just a bit suspicious, don't really buy stuff on the net, well, not things like this. @wallermamma: looks nice, and getting close to 1/2 carat, hmmmm, any opinions on this one, anybody? Item Code: AGS-6639701 Price: $1,005.00 Report: AGS Shape: Round Ideal Cut Carat: 0.460 Color: D Clarity: SI1 Depth: 61.9 Table: 54 Crown Angle: 34.7 Crown %: 16 Pavilion Angle: 40.7 Pavilion %: 42.9 Girdle: Thin to Slightly Thick Faceted Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Culet: Pointed Fluorescence: Medium Blue Measurements: 4.96-4.99X3.08 @queenmom, that's good to hear :) @garysax: OMG, i didn't even think about that yet, i haven't had enough sleep lately, dang. Well, if ur right, this is not gonna work out for me, will ask them.
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| Posted: 3/12/2006 2:32:11 AM | |
| P: 3/12/2006 3:11:07 AM | |
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QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003 |
Hi, Razza, I live in Belgium and if you want to import here => taxes. If you still want to buy online, you could ask the vendor that he writes something like "repair" on the package, but I'm not sure it will work... 
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| Posted: 3/12/2006 3:11:07 AM | |
| P: 3/12/2006 4:19:30 AM | |
just_looking! Cut Rock Total Posts: 481 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2004 |
Is there a customs and excise website in the Netherlands that you can refer to? Maybe try this one? http://www.douane.nl/
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| Posted: 3/12/2006 4:19:30 AM | |
| P: 3/12/2006 4:22:41 AM | |
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just_looking! Cut Rock Total Posts: 481 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2004 |
How about contacting Infinity Diamonds in Belgium? http://www.infinitydiamonds.be/ e-mail: info@infinitydiamonds.be ============================= |
| Posted: 3/12/2006 4:22:41 AM | |
| P: 3/12/2006 8:14:40 AM | |
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Razza Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 3/30/2006 Member Since: 3/11/2006 |
@queenmom, nice idea, but i won't take that risk @just looking: they don't say anything specific, i could mail them or call them, but i won't, cause i know i will have to pay and i can't afford that. Maybe i will consider buying in Belgium, thnx.
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| Posted: 3/12/2006 8:14:40 AM | |
| P: 3/12/2006 10:44:12 AM | |
f0rbidden Cut Rock Total Posts: 318 Last Post: 11/9/2006 Member Since: 2/17/2006 |
i know this is a really stupid question, but with the amazing diamond cutting houses in Amsterdam - and the availability of diamonds in NL and in Belgium - why are you looking to have something shipped from the us? won't you have to deal with customs and fees and taxes and all that? btw - my husband is from NL so if you want to talk with someone about our shopping process, who can speak with you IN Dutch, let me know ;O)
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| Posted: 3/12/2006 10:44:12 AM | |
| P: 3/12/2006 1:51:01 PM | |
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Razza Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 3/30/2006 Member Since: 3/11/2006 |
@forbidden: not a stupid q at all. I must admit, i know nothing about diamonds, only been searching for a ring and diamond for a couple days now. Thnx to the net and this forum i now know a bit about specs. Still, i know nothing about where to buy loose diamonds etc. This forum is the first place i read about online diamond dealers, and prices and quality seemed very good. In b&m stores i've been to, prices/quality were not that great, and info on the stones is so limited. I'd rather know exactly what i'm buying, then listening to someone tell me the stone is nice. So a certificate is something i really value. Of course i value the way it looks but i need to start somewhere, so specs seem the way to go. Also, i've been rather tired the last couple days, not thinking to the best of my abilities, lol. That's why i totally forgot about taxes etc. I won't be buying from US stores. As for cutters in Amsterdam and Antwerp, i know there are very good ones, but i don't know where to start looking. I would be very happy to take u up on ur offer to talk to u/ur husband about how u found ur stone/ring. I have about 8 weeks to buy a stone. And as i said before, my budget is limited, almost graduated law school, so i'm looking to spend about 1000 euro's on a stone, hopefully 0.35-0.40 carat and maybe 400-500 euro's on a ring. I want the ring to be either custom made or at least a bit different than 'the regular' ones. I want the ring to be a bit personal, since well, the rest isn't. Just a diamond. I want it somehow to be more personal than that. So i'll prob try and have one custom made. Hope 500 euro's will be enough for that. If anyone thinks this is not a good way to spend the budget, i'm always happy with suggestions. And thnx a lot for ur offer to help me with this forbidden, do u want to communicate via mail?
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| Posted: 3/12/2006 1:51:01 PM | |
| P: 3/12/2006 2:00:58 PM | |
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f0rbidden Cut Rock Total Posts: 318 Last Post: 11/9/2006 Member Since: 2/17/2006 |
Razza, please feel free to email my husband - his mail is Wardancer@zonnet.nl he doesn't get much time to speak Dutch here, as i only speak English - so I'm sure he'll enjoy it!! Seems to me that 500 Euros should be great for a setting - depending on what you want to do, of course - simple solitare should fall well within that range, and in the meantime, I'll take a peek around and see if i can find any NL or Belgium resellers. i know i found a couple when i was searching!!
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| Posted: 3/12/2006 2:00:58 PM | |
| P: 3/12/2006 2:27:03 PM | |
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Razza Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 3/30/2006 Member Since: 3/11/2006 |
Great  , thnx a lot. I will mail ur husband then, soon. I'm trying to find some jewelry stores in Amsterdam now, to find out about prices. And thnx for searching as well, much appreciated. Btw, how can i adress ur husband when i mail him? And i was thinking about a simple solitaire setting, nothing too fancy, just elegant, simple, but nice. But also something in the setting that will make it personal, i mean, like it isn't just a ring from a shelf. But i think i could get a custom setting for 500 euro's. One store estimated no more than 400, so i should be okay then. I'm getting more confident now that i will find something really nice 
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| Posted: 3/12/2006 2:27:03 PM | |
| P: 3/13/2006 7:17:51 AM | |
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f0rbidden Cut Rock Total Posts: 318 Last Post: 11/9/2006 Member Since: 2/17/2006 |
i have no doubt that you'll find something amazing!! i haven't had a chance to look yet, but will do so today to see what i can find in Amsterdam. There have to be great stores there! oh, Wardancer is a good thing to call my hubby :O) Look forward to hearing from ya!!
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| Posted: 3/13/2006 7:17:51 AM | |
| P: 3/13/2006 7:58:40 AM | |
Paul-Antwerp Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,908 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/3/2002 |
Date: 3/12/2006 4:22:41 AM Author: just_looking! How about contacting Infinity Diamonds in Belgium? http://www.infinitydiamonds.be/ e-mail: info@infinitydiamonds.be And you may send your e-mail in Dutch too. Paul Slegers |
| Posted: 3/13/2006 7:58:40 AM | |
| P: 3/13/2006 8:31:05 AM | |
ChooChoo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 513 Last Post: 10/15/2006 Member Since: 9/25/2003 |
I love that D SI1 you posted. That would be my choice!
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| Posted: 3/13/2006 8:31:05 AM | |
| P: 3/13/2006 8:47:05 AM | |
Shay37 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,343 Last Post: 8/30/2008 Member Since: 3/2/2004 |
I would definitely contact Paul Slegers. His diamonds are STUNNING!!!! shay ______________________________My therapist loves me. His name is Brian the Cutter. |
| Posted: 3/13/2006 8:47:05 AM | |
| P: 3/13/2006 12:27:17 PM | |
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Razza Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 3/30/2006 Member Since: 3/11/2006 |
@forbidden: thnx a lot for looking for me and i'll mail ur husband today @paul antwerp and shay: i saw the site, looks promising, but prices are not listed, i'll send an email to find out more. Very good quality diamonds though, just not many in my budget i'm afraid, looking for 0.35-0.50 carat, but the ones listed are very very clean and white, so prob way too expensive. @choochoo: can't buy that one unfortunately, i forgot about taxes for shipping to europe.
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| Posted: 3/13/2006 12:27:17 PM | |
| P: 3/13/2006 2:50:25 PM | |
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f0rbidden Cut Rock Total Posts: 318 Last Post: 11/9/2006 Member Since: 2/17/2006 |
i'm glad someone was ahead of me - i was looking and looking for Paul-Antwerp's info and for love or money (or diamonds) wasn't finding it! So..thank you to the person who was able to post that info.
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| Posted: 3/13/2006 2:50:25 PM | |
| P: 3/13/2006 4:51:40 PM | |
Small Ideal Rock Total Posts: 957 Last Post: 4/18/2008 Member Since: 2/3/2006 |
Date: 3/13/2006 12:27:17 PM Author: Razza @forbidden: thnx a lot for looking for me and i'll mail ur husband today @paul antwerp and shay: i saw the site, looks promising, but prices are not listed, i'll send an email to find out more. Very good quality diamonds though, just not many in my budget i'm afraid, looking for 0.35-0.50 carat, but the ones listed are very very clean and white, so prob way too expensive. @choochoo: can't buy that one unfortunately, i forgot about taxes for shipping to europe. I'd email Paul. I just bought a .92 ideal RB (G SI2 H&A) from one of his US vendors (Wink from Winfields) and although I have yet to see it (it's being appraised) from everything I looked at...it was stunning. And because I bought an SI2 that Paul didn't consider 'eye clean' but to me the picture not magnified looked eye clean I bought it for a very very good price. Even better was that the location of this inclusion was on the edge and it was white so it was covered by a prong! Most of the stones in that ct weight were going for at least 500-1500 more and some were not ideal so it's not out of the realm of possibility that Paul may have something for you. Although I didn't speak with him personally I've seen alot of his posts and he posted to a few of my threads about his diamond. From what everyone says...his diamonds are stellar! Don't discount him because of his website...he may be able to help you. Good luck!
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| Posted: 3/13/2006 4:51:40 PM | |
| P: 3/13/2006 5:02:32 PM | |
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Razza Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 3/30/2006 Member Since: 3/11/2006 |
great, that sounds promising indeed, i'll definitely send him an email.
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| Posted: 3/13/2006 5:02:32 PM | |
| P: 3/14/2006 7:33:43 AM | |
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Razza Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 3/30/2006 Member Since: 3/11/2006 |
well, i sent Paul Slegers an email. He replied me the next day and it seems promising. He has a couple very nice diamonds, 0.35-0.42 carat. Hope to see the diamonds in person soon. This one is offered by diamondland.be: Certificate IGI Brilliant cut 0.51 ct Colour : H Purity : VS2 Proportions : very good Finishing grade : very good Fluorescence : nihil Table Width : 61 Crown Height : 12 Pavillion depth : 42.5 Price per carat 2668 US $ Price for the stone 1361 US $ Price tax included 1646 US $ not that many specs, but does it look at all interesting? Well, the ones offered by Paul Slegers are definitely very good quality, spec wise. Will post if there are any updates.
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| Posted: 3/14/2006 7:33:43 AM | |
| P: 3/14/2006 11:19:48 AM | |
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Razza Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 3/30/2006 Member Since: 3/11/2006 |
well, i talked to Paul Slegers, i'm very interested in one diamond, here are the specs: Shape Round Brilliant - Crafted by Infinity Weight 0.422 Colour F Clarity VVS2 Fluorescence Negligible Report A.G.S. - Ideal 0 Total Depth 61.3% Table % 57 Crown Angle 34.9° Crown Height % 14.9% Pavilion Angle 40.7° Pavilion Depth % 42.8 Girdle Faceted 1.9% to 2.3% Culet Pointed Measurements 4.81 - 4.83 x 2.95 mm. And he was very fast to reply my mails and friendly over the phone, so thnx for telling me about him Well, i think this should be a very nice one, any comments?
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| Posted: 3/14/2006 11:19:48 AM | |
| P: 3/14/2006 12:44:52 PM | |
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ChooChoo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 513 Last Post: 10/15/2006 Member Since: 9/25/2003 |
I still prefer that D SI1... it's bigger and the cut looks amazing. But I'm sure this is a nice stone too.
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| Posted: 3/14/2006 12:44:52 PM | |
| P: 3/14/2006 12:49:55 PM | |
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Razza Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 3/30/2006 Member Since: 3/11/2006 |
i see, could u perhaps tell me what it is that tells u the cut is better? Cause i'm still a noob, any info would be appreciated.
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| Posted: 3/14/2006 12:49:55 PM | |
| P: 3/14/2006 4:38:28 PM | |
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Small Ideal Rock Total Posts: 957 Last Post: 4/18/2008 Member Since: 2/3/2006 |
I do like the one Paul has offered you but I'm not a fan of the high clarity VVS...but that's me...I think it's over kill. I'm a big fan of SI clarity but I think on a round diamond D is a bit much to pay for. I have a D color on my marquise which warrants that color because it is a fancy and not such a great cut for brilliance. If I had to choose between the SI and VVS...I'd probably choose Paul's infinity. How is the price difference? And shipping overseas from WF will probably be a mess eh? That's something to consider. If you feel comfortable with the diamond Paul sent you...I'd say you should go for it! I just keep hearing so many good things about Paul and his infinity diamonds that I don't think you'll be disappointed. I'll get mine probably towards the end of the week so I can give you first hand knowledge about the infinity but from what I've seen on the pictures, IS, and such...mine was a winner! ETA: I'm not liking that IGI certed diamond. I don't think that's as good as the SI D or the infinity 
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| Posted: 3/14/2006 4:38:28 PM | |
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