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Pennsylvania law: Keeping the ring if you break up |
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| P: 2/14/2006 1:01:01 PM | |
Madam Bijoux Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,052 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 7/15/2005 |
From today's Philadelphia Inquirer LINK A precious lesson in Pa. law By Mario F. Cattabiani Inquirer Staff Writer <Janet Grace's near-wedding experience is a cautionary tale of love, charity, and a $35,000 diamond ring that has Harrisburg rethinking the rules of engagement. What she wants you to know is this: It's his ring until you're hitched, so says the law in Pennsylvania. Grace, a 46-year-old construction manager from Philadelphia, is learning that the hard way, and she might pay dearly. In December 2004, a mutual friend introduced Grace to Mario Mele, a former Montgomery County commissioner. In the spring, he gave her a whopper of a ring - an eye-popping 2 1/3-carat, flawless princess-cut diamond set in hand-crafted platinum...> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I never met a diamond I didn't like." No jewel is as beautiful as a cat's eyes. Madam Bijoux (Gabrielle) |
| Posted: 2/14/2006 1:01:01 PM | |
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| P: 2/14/2006 1:26:01 PM | |
Rascal49 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,350 Last Post: 7/16/2007 Member Since: 7/25/2004 |
Yup, I did a memo on this exact question last year. Many states have case law like PA, saying the ring is a conditional gift. Others say that it is a gift unless the man specifically lets the woman know that the ring is conditional upon marriage. I'm sure there are countless other variations too.
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| Posted: 2/14/2006 1:26:01 PM | |
| P: 2/14/2006 2:07:49 PM | |
moon river Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,806 Last Post: 6/26/2006 Member Since: 1/7/2006 |
My law is PRY IT OFF MY DEAD STIFF HAND!!!!
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| Posted: 2/14/2006 2:07:49 PM | |
| P: 2/14/2006 2:39:48 PM | |
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,893 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002 |
sorry but she's a big dumbass for giving away her ~20k in rings after he said that she could never wear another ring but his...that would have been a big red flag for me...here's a ring, but you can NEVER wear another ring in your life? controlling much?  next!
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| Posted: 2/14/2006 2:39:48 PM | |
| P: 2/14/2006 3:10:47 PM | |
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,195 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005 |
Date: 2/14/2006 2:39:48 PM Author: Mara sorry but she's a big dumbass for giving away her ~20k in rings after he said that she could never wear another ring but his...that would have been a big red flag for me...here's a ring, but you can NEVER wear another ring in your life? controlling much? next!I completely agree Mara. If ANY guy told me that my other rings had to go - so would he! 
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| Posted: 2/14/2006 3:10:47 PM | |
| P: 2/14/2006 3:40:16 PM | |
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002 |
 a prenup for the engagement ring?
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| Posted: 2/14/2006 3:40:16 PM | |
| P: 2/16/2006 3:51:59 PM | |
sylvesterii Cut Rock Total Posts: 295 Last Post: 5/27/2009 Member Since: 11/3/2002 |
Date: 2/14/2006 1:26:01 PM Author: Rascal49 Yup, I did a memo on this exact question last year. Many states have case law like PA, saying the ring is a conditional gift. Others say that it is a gift unless the man specifically lets the woman know that the ring is conditional upon marriage. I'm sure there are countless other variations too. me too... except i had to write about ohio law, because it was split in the ohio courts of appeal. but pretty much every state says it is a conditional gift that must be returned sans the wedding.
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| Posted: 2/16/2006 3:51:59 PM | |
| P: 2/16/2006 5:41:36 PM | |
Momoftwo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 591 Last Post: 3/9/2006 Member Since: 9/3/2004 |
A lot of people still think whoever gets broke up with keeps the ring. There's apparently a lot of precedent out there to say it's conditional upon marriage. Now, after marriage, that's a different story. I have a friend who gave her 2 ct back after her divorce because it had been in her exes family for years. I thought that was appropriate for that, but not the norm. |
| Posted: 2/16/2006 5:41:36 PM | |
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