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P: 12/29/2005 1:04:40 PM
sslkrissi Cut Rock Total Posts: 238 Last Post: 10/7/2009 Member Since: 9/6/2005	Hello, As far as I can tell, this looks like a pretty good diamond. Does anyone notice anything wrong with it? Click on this link and it will show you everything about it: http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_423ct_g_vs2_h&a.htm Thanks in advance!
Posted: 12/29/2005 1:04:40 PM

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P: 12/29/2005 1:17:22 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	too much leakage in the center. Its a steep/deep combo. Do a search too see why thats bad or maybe someone who has time will post some links. He has better diamonds available. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 12/29/2005 1:17:22 PM

P: 12/29/2005 1:24:23 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_64ct_h_si1_h%26a.htm much better deal and better cut about the same price. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 12/29/2005 1:24:23 PM

P: 12/29/2005 2:03:02 PM
sslkrissi Cut Rock Total Posts: 238 Last Post: 10/7/2009 Member Since: 9/6/2005	I have looked at that one online a couple of times too. The only thing that concerns me is the "H" color. I have only ever seen one "h" in person and it did have a slight yellow tint to me. Is that typical of h's, or do they show up white more often. I plan on setting it in the ritani endless love w/out the halo. I am pretty sure that ritani uses G color stones for the micro pave. Will that make the H color stone look more yellow? One other thing that I worry about with that stone is that I see several black marks/spots on the right side of the stone (in the big picture of the stone from the link you attached). Do you see what I am talking about? Are those inclusions in the stone, or is that some sort of reflection from something? Thanks you very much, I really appreciate your help!
Posted: 12/29/2005 2:03:02 PM

P: 12/29/2005 2:10:16 PM
researcher Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,440 Last Post: 5/26/2008 Member Since: 4/27/2004	What about: http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-2068569.htm or http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1464071.htm or http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-2167527.htm or http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1911789.htm I don't know a lot about rounds, but I do love the ACA rounds from WF! Oh, and remember that you get a PS discount
Posted: 12/29/2005 2:10:16 PM

P: 12/29/2005 2:18:59 PM
sslkrissi Cut Rock Total Posts: 238 Last Post: 10/7/2009 Member Since: 9/6/2005	Thank you. Those are all very beautiful too. If I could, I would love to get something between 1.5-1.75 in carat weight. The two that you posted that fall into that range are a couple thousand above my maximum. I really need to be somewhere at or below 11k. I am aware that they have a discount for pricescope members. Do you happen to know how much of a discount you get? Also, I think I read somewhere on this forum that if you do get the discount, the stone goes straight to you (the buyer) and doesn't get inspected by them before it is sent out. Do you know anything about that? Thanks again!
Posted: 12/29/2005 2:18:59 PM

P: 12/29/2005 2:23:51 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,893 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	The discounts are pretty small, nothing to really make a big dent in a purchase... That said, the H that you saw, where was it? Can you drop the clarity rather than the color? aka find something like a 1.50 F or G SI1? Inventory may be slim in 1.5-1.75c range right now, so it may come down to what you can afford or if you can afford to wait for more inventory....or if you can compromise on something. But I would not compromise on CUT. Drop color, clarity or size, but not that cut quality. That makes the stone. ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 12/29/2005 2:23:51 PM

P: 12/29/2005 4:40:13 PM
sslkrissi Cut Rock Total Posts: 238 Last Post: 10/7/2009 Member Since: 9/6/2005	Mara, The H that I saw was at bailey Banks and Biddle and it was already set in a white setting, not loose. I would be willingto go to an SI1 in clarity, but nothing less than that. I definately do not want to sacrifice cut b/c I want it to be as sparkly as possible and I have learned from PS that the cut is what matters most for that. Did you have a chance to look at the second link posted in this thread? Do you see the black spots that I am talking about? What are your opinions on the stone? Thanks
Posted: 12/29/2005 4:40:13 PM

P: 12/29/2005 4:47:43 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 12/29/2005 4:40:13 PM Author: sslkrissi Did you have a chance to look at the second link posted in this thread? Do you see the black spots that I am talking about? What are your opinions on the stone? Thanks stopping in for 30 sceonds so quick answer. inclusion reflections in the past ones like it were eyeclean. Call Tim and have him check it if your interested. GOG has a good return policy if you get it and arent happy with it. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 12/29/2005 4:47:43 PM

P: 12/29/2005 6:49:38 PM
sslkrissi Cut Rock Total Posts: 238 Last Post: 10/7/2009 Member Since: 9/6/2005	Date: 12/29/2005 4:47:43 PM Author: strmrdr Date: 12/29/2005 4:40:13 PM Author: sslkrissi Did you have a chance to look at the second link posted in this thread? Do you see the black spots that I am talking about? What are your opinions on the stone? Thanks stopping in for 30 sceonds so quick answer. inclusion reflections in the past ones like it were eyeclean. Call Tim and have him check it if your interested. GOG has a good return policy if you get it and arent happy with it. I am sorry, but I am not sure I understand what you mean. Are those black spots inclusions or just a reflection of something? One last question.... I have been reading all of the threads on the darkness of the arrows in certain lighting. I think that you had some input regarding ways that the cut of the stone will affect how dark the arrows will look. How will the cut of the stone that you referred me to look at affect the arrows. I personally like it when the arrows don't look black. Thanks
Posted: 12/29/2005 6:49:38 PM

P: 12/29/2005 7:04:04 PM
aljdewey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,236 Last Post: 2/11/2008 Member Since: 11/25/2002	Date: 12/29/2005 2:18:59 PM Author: sslkrissi Thank you. Those are all very beautiful too. If I could, I would love to get something between 1.5-1.75 in carat weight. The two that you posted that fall into that range are a couple thousand above my maximum. I really need to be somewhere at or below 11k. I am aware that they have a discount for pricescope members. Do you happen to know how much of a discount you get? Also, I think I read somewhere on this forum that if you do get the discount, the stone goes straight to you (the buyer) and doesn't get inspected by them before it is sent out. Do you know anything about that? Thanks again! That's not correct. Whiteflash doesn't drop-ship stones....they inspect every diamond before sending it out....even those that receive the PS discount. The amount of discount depends on the value of the stone. You can find out the exact amount by putting in the specs of the stone on "Search by Cut Quality". When the stones comes up in those results, it's the discounted price. _____________________ Note: Chainsaw Not Sold Separately.
Posted: 12/29/2005 7:04:04 PM

P: 12/29/2005 7:26:46 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	sorry was in a hurry. They are reflections of the inclusion. That one in the right lighting will show the arrows black but not too much of the time. The ones to avoid show them black too much of the time making the diamond look dark. Most of the time they will be sparkle and light return. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 12/29/2005 7:26:46 PM

P: 12/29/2005 9:19:31 PM
sslkrissi Cut Rock Total Posts: 238 Last Post: 10/7/2009 Member Since: 9/6/2005	This is a weird coincidence, but I just found out that BF had actually gone and seen the diamond that we are talking about while he was in NY for christmas. I think he likes it alot, but it might be a bit out of budget. Anyhow, thank you all for your input. You have been very helpful. Strmrdr- You said that it will show black in the right light, but not too much of the time. Is that true of all h&a's or are there some h&a's that are cut with certain proportions so that they will never look black unless looking at the stone with some sort of tool? Also, does anyone have any opinions as to the "h" color? Do they typically look a little yellow or are they pretty white? The only one I have ever seen in person was kinda yellow. Will the "h" color be a problem if the pave in the setting is made with "g" color stones? Thanks
Posted: 12/29/2005 9:19:31 PM

P: 12/30/2005 6:56:37 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Almost all h&a's will show the arrows at times. That is a good thing. In the light conditions they show it provides symmetrical contrast that makes the diamond look brighter. To avoid them being that way across a wider range of lighting conditions you want the personality of longer lgf% (78%+ is good) diamonds that the pavilion isnt too shallow(40.7+ is good). That one is a great one for that :} They will show when they need to but not too much. >>>>>>>>> edit: I apply the above rules for a quick sort and check the others against the hca. there are other combos that are fine also, run the numbers on the hca then see where it falls on this chart, the lgf% of 78%+ still applies. http://diamonds.pricescope.com/ideal.asp you would want to stay in the your people rings area on the chart. >>>>>>>>> It is possible to go into the longer lgf% range 81%+ and cut closer to the edge (33.9-34.4 crown /40.9-41 pavilion) get smaller arrows but the angles and the physical symmetry of the diamond become critical. IE the angle combo is more critical and that the pavilion facets are all very very close to the same angle becomes very critical when you push the edges. They are also hard to find very few cutters cut to the edge because it is too easy to go over. 2 that do are infinity and some of the gog classics. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 12/30/2005 6:56:37 AM

P: 12/30/2005 7:47:24 AM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	Date: 12/29/2005 2:18:59 PM Author: sslkrissi If I could, I would love to get something between 1.5-1.75 in carat weight. [...] I really need to be somewhere at or below 11k. 1.55 cts G-Si1, $11k and 1.51 H-Si1, $11k Both appear at slightly different prices on the Pricescope list and the seller's website (10525 versus 11100 and 11020 versus 11600). I'd guess the difference is due to different payment methods, but you may need to ask. On a different note... I've just run a search for 'In House' diamonds for: Round shape, 1.41.7 cts, EG color, VS2SI2 clarity, 5863% depth, 5362% table, $10012000, and found 5 stones. Among them, the one you have posted initially, and a surprisingly pristine E-SI2 for $10500. (LINK). The clarity plot shows a cloud on the crown and a feather on the pavilion. The picture doesn't show anything that needs excuses - cut or clarity. The high color sounds pretty tempting. If you ever inquire about anything at WF, it can't hurt to ask about the 'eye clean' status of this one and... who knows, maybe even take a look at it yourself. Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 12/30/2005 7:47:24 AM

P: 12/30/2005 8:01:18 AM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	And some more... These came from a different search on the 'general' list - not 'In House' for: Round shape, 1.31.7 cts, FG color, VS2 clarity, 5862% depth, 5360% table, $10012000, AGS certified Four diamonds turned up. The largest sounds very much like the one that started this thread: 1.4cts G-VS, AGS graded... This is a new AGS report though: with top grade for light return and 'Very Good' finish grades - which made the overall cut grade drop. I would not give an arm and a leg for the polish, as long as the proportions are squarely in the 'Ideal' range. The stats read: weight: 1.42cts size: 7.277.214.44 AGS grade: G-VS2 depth: 61.3% table: 57% girdle: t-stk culet: no finish: vg / vg fluorescence: no price: different sellers quote between 10-11k. AGS cut grades: Light Performance: Ideal (0) Proportions: Ideal (0) Finish: Very Good (2) Total: Very Good (2) Proportions: Crown angle: 35.3 Pavilion angle: 40.9 Btw. the copy of the lab report where the extra stats come from is listed by Abazias (LINK to listing). IMO, from these two posts, this and the E-Si2 mentioned above stand out somehow. Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 12/30/2005 8:01:18 AM

P: 12/30/2005 8:05:18 AM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	Date: 12/29/2005 1:04:40 PM Author:sslkrissi Hello, As far as I can tell, this looks like a pretty good diamond. Does anyone notice anything wrong with it? Click on this link and it will show you everything about it: http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_423ct_g_vs2_h&a.htm Thanks in advance! About that G-VS, I am wondering if calling it 'steep-deep' & bad is not akin to overlooking the forest because of a tree. Ok, maybe some argument can be made that this one is at a hair distance from perfection. But there is good chance that the actual stone would look better than the worst one may imagine about these numbers. Also, that 'worst' is not bad at all... The picture below is trying to show a bit what I mean by this: for once, the IS tends to make things look worse than they are somewhat and there has been allot of discussion about this at some point (it must have been Serg's post with a chart, somewhere, and the same on the OctoNus site) and second - from the stats posted I can't know whether the IS will look closer to the 'better' (left) or 'worse' (right) expected version below anyway. Note: these are simulated models based on the stats available about the diamond (1.423 cts,depth 62.3%, table 55.8%, size 7.20x7.24x4.50, crown angle: 35.3, pav.angle 41.1). The difference is due to some reasonable variation of the lower azimuth - much like there is between the ACS old and new lines... My 2c. There's something else: that stone is a bit deeper, so some below may 1.4 cts match its 7.2mm size. This, not counting the one posted above that already does match with less debatable stats. Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 12/30/2005 8:05:18 AM

P: 12/30/2005 1:39:27 PM
sslkrissi Cut Rock Total Posts: 238 Last Post: 10/7/2009 Member Since: 9/6/2005	Wow! That is alot of great information. I have looked at the links of all of the other diamonds that were posted. But, I must say that I am pretty much your average joe when it comes to diamonds and for me, pictures speak louder than words. I think the pictures posted for all of those stones are sample images, right? Maybe that is why I am drawn to Good Old Gold. Yes, I know, you are really paying for that service when you pay the somewhat high price for their stones. But, being able to see the ACTUAL stone really makes a difference to me. I think I am still stuck on the 1.64 H SI1 from GOG as my favorite. Just a little concerned about the color. I don't want it to look yellow at all. Maybe I should call them and ask them whether it is more of a G/H or an H/I. That may make a big difference from what I understand. Thank you all very much for your help
Posted: 12/30/2005 1:39:27 PM

P: 12/30/2005 1:45:40 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	Date: 12/30/2005 1:39:27 PM Author: sslkrissi I must say that I am pretty much your average joe when it comes to diamonds and for me, pictures speak louder than words. Same here And you could probably obtain pictures for any of the pieces mentioned (Blue Nile doesn't do this, everyone else does). And the good news... the pictures sent to buyers are usually more detailed than they'd get onto websites. It is quite amazing what can be done! Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 12/30/2005 1:45:40 PM

P: 12/30/2005 4:25:05 PM
sslkrissi Cut Rock Total Posts: 238 Last Post: 10/7/2009 Member Since: 9/6/2005	http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_64ct_h_si1_h%26a.htm What do you guys think about the lightscope image of this stone? If you click on the link above and scroll down to the bottom of the page, you will see it. The colors seem a little off, they aren't exactly bright red and the arrows are more of a dark grey than black. What does that mean? Also, I noticed on the top of the page where the specs are listed, that the stone's symmetry and polish are listed as GIA: Excellent, while the proportion is listed as AGS: Ideal. Does that mean that this stone is not an "ideal" stone. Is there a difference between AGS0 and AGS000. Which one of those describe this stone, if any? Lastly, the certificate that you can view on that page is GIA, so how can the proportion be listed as "AGS: Ideal" if it is certified by GIA, not AGS? Thanks
Posted: 12/30/2005 4:25:05 PM

P: 12/30/2005 4:47:08 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 12/30/2005 4:25:05 PM Author: sslkrissi http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_64ct_h_si1_h%26a.htm What do you guys think about the lightscope image of this stone? If you click on the link above and scroll down to the bottom of the page, you will see it. The colors seem a little off, they aren't exactly bright red and the arrows are more of a dark grey than black. What does that mean? its fine, the camera settings look like they may have been a bit off. The darkness of the red dont mean much of anything. Its the relationships between the colors and the location of the features and the leakage being in the right place. Also, I noticed on the top of the page where the specs are listed, that the stone's symmetry and polish are listed as GIA: Excellent, while the proportion is listed as AGS: Ideal. Does that mean that this stone is not an 'ideal' stone. Is there a difference between AGS0 and AGS000. Which one of those describe this stone, if any? its a gia graded diamond that was cut to AGS ideal specs. Lastly, the certificate that you can view on that page is GIA, so how can the proportion be listed as 'AGS: Ideal' if it is certified by GIA, not AGS? means the proportions are within the AGS0 range. With the older AGS system that was easy to claim with the newer one harder and open to some questions. The rest of the performace data points to a great performing diamond. Would it get AGS0 if sent to AGS, more than likely. Thanks ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 12/30/2005 4:47:08 PM

P: 12/30/2005 4:51:49 PM
sslkrissi Cut Rock Total Posts: 238 Last Post: 10/7/2009 Member Since: 9/6/2005	Wow. It makes sense now. Thanks
Posted: 12/30/2005 4:51:49 PM

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