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A Cushion By Any Other Name...

P: 11/13/2005 11:18:26 AM
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004	Cushions are very popular right now and many people have come to PS to get help in finding one. Unfortunately, there are many different cuts that can be called "cushion." It can be confusing to decide what one wants and frustrating to find it, especially when a cert. doesn't give a clear idea of what a stone will look like. So, I tried to compile some of the more common "cushion" plots and pictures that I have come across in my own cushion quest. Yes, I know that the plot on a cert does not neccessarily match the stone, but it does seem that there is usually a correlation (excepting L:W, which is never the same!). I also know there are plenty more kinds of cushions out there, but I thought this was a start. The plots I'm posting are mostly from GIA certs (except where noted) and most of them actually "belong" to the stone they are pictured with. Some of the pics aren't great, so if you have a better one, please post it with its plot! I'll try to post a few others that I couldn't find pics for, (or pics with no plots) and if you guys can send me one, I'll edit or repost so they go together. MMM would you please post the plot from your stone(s) with a good pic? Any one else have something different? ETA: I think this should just be callled a "Cushion Brilliant." opps!
Posted: 11/13/2005 11:18:26 AM

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P: 11/11/2005 5:26:47 PM
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004	2
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P: 11/11/2005 5:27:30 PM
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004	3
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P: 11/11/2005 5:28:10 PM
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004	4
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P: 11/11/2005 5:29:07 PM
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004	5
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P: 11/11/2005 5:29:45 PM
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004	6
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P: 11/11/2005 5:49:42 PM
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004	This one's at GOG, but no pics up yet...
Posted: 11/11/2005 5:49:42 PM

P: 11/12/2005 2:53:06 AM
Matatora Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,230 Last Post: 7/26/2006 Member Since: 3/6/2005	This is very kool fatafelice! Thanks! -Matatora Courage is the price that life extracts for granting peace Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.
Posted: 11/12/2005 2:53:06 AM

P: 11/12/2005 8:27:44 AM
finerthings Cut Rock Total Posts: 202 Last Post: 3/12/2007 Member Since: 3/4/2004	Great idea fatafelice. I've often wondered what the different cushions look like and the Gem Advisor software never worked for me when I went to the Good Old Gold cushion cut reference page. Thanks!
Posted: 11/12/2005 8:27:44 AM

P: 11/12/2005 9:39:24 AM
moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004	Hi! "CUSHION BRILLIANT" on the cert... ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me.
Posted: 11/12/2005 9:39:24 AM

P: 11/12/2005 9:40:43 AM
moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004	I'm Borrowing this from GOG b/c I have crappy pix of my stone. This looks exactly like mine! I guess it's called a "modern cushion" although I don't think many call it that...I guess it's not too much different from others ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me.
Posted: 11/12/2005 9:40:43 AM

P: 11/12/2005 9:56:15 AM
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004	MMM - That's what's interesting. I thought that is what you had posted as the plot for your stone, but it is the same plot as the H&A stones on the GOG website! Is yours decribed as a "Modern Cushion" on the cert? Maybe that's the difference? Keep 'em coming!
Posted: 11/12/2005 9:56:15 AM

P: 11/12/2005 10:05:59 AM
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004	Thanks for the link, Maya! Here's another one that doesn't have cushion in the name, but was listed as one and has a "cushion-y" shape...
Posted: 11/12/2005 10:05:59 AM

P: 11/12/2005 10:19:30 AM
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004	This is interesting. This is Maya's stone, which has the same plot as my #3, but looks more like MMM's stone, and it is called a "Cushion Brilliant" rather than a "Cushion Modified Brilliant." I don't know, maybe all of this is pointless? There definitely doesn't seem to be as much consistiency on the part of the GIA as I thought...
Posted: 11/12/2005 10:19:30 AM

P: 11/12/2005 12:56:01 PM
Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,037 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001	off topic but curious. Does fatafelice have meaning? It is such a pretty name and in Portuguese and Spanish felice means happy. Thank you for your interesting pictures and faceting diagrams, this is very useful information for both the public and the vendors. Wink Wink Jones GG Winfield's/High Performance Diamonds
Posted: 11/12/2005 12:56:01 PM

P: 11/12/2005 1:34:23 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,931 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	interesting stuff. i didn't think that OMC's were considered cushions? ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 11/12/2005 1:34:23 PM

P: 11/12/2005 1:56:28 PM
Matatora Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,230 Last Post: 7/26/2006 Member Since: 3/6/2005	Fountain Fair Fax's ring is an OMC Cushion her ring. -Matatora Courage is the price that life extracts for granting peace Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.
Posted: 11/12/2005 1:56:28 PM

P: 11/12/2005 2:00:08 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,931 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	I didn't know there were OMC cushions...can an expert chime in on this? I always thought the old cuts like OEC's and OMC's etc were their own style of cut. Sure they could be cushiony shaped or roundy shaped but I thought they always had their own designation. In the searches for cut of stone, usually OMC and Cushion stand separately just like OEC and RB etc. ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 11/12/2005 2:00:08 PM

P: 11/12/2005 2:08:52 PM
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,584 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000	Mara "cushion" shape in a colored gem refers simply to the outline that is squareish round or oval. It is common in corundum (Ruby and Sapp) because of the barrel crystal shape Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT HCA and Ideal-scope developer http://www.ideal-scope.com and http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au
Posted: 11/12/2005 2:08:52 PM

P: 11/12/2005 2:25:07 PM
moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004	Fatafeli- there is no such thing as a "modern cushion" really....And I think that vendors outside of ps would look at you like you had 3 heads if you said "modern cushion"...they'd be like...no, it's not antique... LOL... It's just "cushion brilliant" on the cert and it looks just like the square H&A on the plot... ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me.
Posted: 11/12/2005 2:25:07 PM

P: 11/12/2005 4:40:21 PM
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004	Thanks, everyone, for the input! Wink: I think it means "happy fairy" in Italian, but that's my two years of college Italian coming into play. I made have just made up a very non-sensical word. Mara: I definitely agree that OECs and OMCs are their own cut. I'm just using the term "cushion" to refer to anything with a pillowy shape or outline. While looking for cushions, it seems like there aren't many OMCs listed by vendors (even the antique and estate places), but many stones that look to be OMCs listed as "cushions." Then again, I'm not positive. Maybe Dave Atlas will chime in. If they are techinically different, then I will take them out the thread. MMM: Interesting. Your stone is looks very different than the H&A (in a good way ), but they have the same plot on the cert? I would like to see the real facet structure of each. They have to be different, whether GIA thinks so or not!
Posted: 11/12/2005 4:40:21 PM

P: 11/12/2005 4:44:11 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,931 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	Diamonds too Garry? If it's just a 'cushion shape' rather than a 'cushion' a type of cut for OMC...that makes more sense. ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 11/12/2005 4:44:11 PM

P: 11/12/2005 8:35:28 PM
coconut Cut Rock Total Posts: 159 Last Post: 2/23/2006 Member Since: 7/14/2005	Thanx for the compilations fatafelice. This actually is extremly informative. I think cushion cuts vary so much that people have different preferences within the cut. It kinds of gives an approximate look of the stone by looking at the certificate. So what would diamondgirl777's 'Cushion be? (one of my favorites) Diamondgirl's cushion picture Hmm.... -- joanna --
Posted: 11/12/2005 8:35:28 PM

P: 11/12/2005 11:08:52 PM
moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004	Fata...I love the mod cushion b/c it looks like an organized disco ball :) And they face up so darn well for fancies! It has been my understanding that the old mine cut is also ref'd to as a cushion...so it would belong here :) ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me.
Posted: 11/12/2005 11:08:52 PM

P: 11/12/2005 11:33:55 PM
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004	MMM: I agree, and your modern cushion is just stunning. I am having a very hard time deciding exactly which kind of cushion I want! Coconut: Wow! I think I somehow missed that one, but it is the cushion of my dreams! She decribes it as being a "Cushion Brilliant" on the cert, but it doesn't look like the two (H&A or MMM's "Modern Cushion" ) that we have seen with that designation. It looks like an older cut to me, I think maybe an OMC, with a smaller culet, but I'm not sure. Hmmmm, I'll have to do some more research!
Posted: 11/12/2005 11:33:55 PM

P: 11/13/2005 4:21:36 AM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	Date: 11/12/2005 11:33:55 PM Author: fatafelice ... a 'Cushion Brilliant' on the cert, but it doesn't look like the two (H&A or MMM's 'Modern Cushion' ) that we have seen with that designation. It looks like an older cut to me... The spot in the middle should be an open culet, the facetslook like an old-mine's - but the symmetry is almost too good to be true. Could it be a recently cut diamond in the Old Mine pattern? There are some... One example of such a thing was mentioned HERE. A modern 'old mine' cut: 2.03 cts. 7.00x7.09 mm. 78% total depht 52% table Crown height 25% Pavilion angle 46% V. Thin Girdle culet: Large F- VS1 Btw... that thread does something similar to this - it lines up a dozen or so types of cushion cut too. Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 11/13/2005 4:21:36 AM

P: 11/13/2005 11:44:00 AM
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004	Thanks, Ana. I agree that a newly cut old mine could be an option for that one. And I love that thread! That is the thread that got me started on cuhions and I used it as a jumping off point for this one. I just wanted to try and get all that info, with some extra, into one place and organized so that it would be easier to make comparisons. I hope I accomplished that! And thank you, Pricescope, for putting this thead in the FAQ! I hope that it can help others in their cushion quest! I'll add more if I find it.
Posted: 11/13/2005 11:44:00 AM

P: 11/13/2005 5:08:45 PM
moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004	Thanks Fata! And that cushion is also one of my favs here. It's stunning. Looks like a true find....looks a bit antique ... but looks like a great cut.... Doesn't hurt that I think it's about 5 cartats? If I recall correctly! I'll take it :) ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me.
Posted: 11/13/2005 5:08:45 PM

P: 12/14/2005 6:54:08 PM
fatafelice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,746 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2004	I LOOOOOOVE this one that is currently at GOG!!!! If only that culet was more round-y... ETA: this is not the actual plot for this (much cleaner) stone, but it otherwise looks the same...
Posted: 12/14/2005 6:54:08 PM

P: 12/15/2005 8:32:30 AM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	Date: 12/14/2005 6:54:08 PM Author: fatafelice If only that culet was more round-y... What a sweetie... Thanks for bringing this up! Those large facets look vintage and that is very nice, IMO. I wonder if the 'keel' was not meant to keep the angles even on both sides - which should be a good thing as much (=little) as I can tell. Jonathan? Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 12/15/2005 8:32:30 AM

P: 12/15/2005 8:40:22 AM
ecf8503 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,008 Last Post: 11/13/2009 Member Since: 2/14/2005	Date: 12/15/2005 8:32:30 AM Author: valeria101 Date: 12/14/2005 6:54:08 PM Author: fatafelice If only that culet was more round-y... What a sweetie... Thanks for bringing this up! Those large facets look vintage and that is very nice, IMO. I wonder if the 'keel' was not meant to keep the angles even on both sides - which should be a good thing as much (=little) as I can tell. Jonathan? I saw this one too - lovely, isn't it?????
Posted: 12/15/2005 8:40:22 AM

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