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Looking for some safe bet round stones. |
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| P: 10/22/2005 8:57:40 PM | |
peonygirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,021 Last Post: 9/21/2009 Member Since: 8/7/2005 |
What are some classifications that are consistently very high-quality? That is, any stones in that category would be basically guaranteed to be very well cut? As it turns out my boyfriend isn't as in enthusiastic as I thought about doing lots of research about cuts, and he asked me to narrow down the process for him a bit. Here is my list so far, as a complete novice who's hung around on PS for a few months. Please feel free to correct me or add to my list. Thanks! AGS0 Whiteflash ACA H&A Blue Nile Signature round (?) |
| Posted: 10/22/2005 8:57:40 PM | |
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| P: 10/22/2005 9:02:39 PM | |
Shay37 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,343 Last Post: 8/30/2008 Member Since: 3/2/2004 |
My list would be: Whiteflash ACA GOG H & A (good old gold) Superbcert Dirtcheapdiamonds aka James Allen signature series I would not even look at blue nile. This is mainly because you get better info from these other sites without having to call and ask. Most of the stuff you need to make a good decision is right there a click away. They also have good upgrade policies. Blue nile seems to run a bit higher for the same type of goods. I would rather have more personal service with these guys. Just my .02. shay ______________________________My therapist loves me. His name is Brian the Cutter. |
| Posted: 10/22/2005 9:02:39 PM | |
| P: 10/23/2005 8:34:09 AM | |
Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,315 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004 |
Date: 10/22/2005 8:57:40 PM Author:peonygirl What are some classifications that are consistently very high-quality? That is, any stones in that category would be basically guaranteed to be very well cut? As it turns out my boyfriend isn't as in enthusiastic as I thought about doing lots of research about cuts, and he asked me to narrow down the process for him a bit. Here is my list so far, as a complete novice who's hung around on PS for a few months. Please feel free to correct me or add to my list. Thanks! AGS0 Whiteflash ACA H&A Blue Nile Signature round (?) Re AGS0, especially the new one, where one of the zeros is for light performance. Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. |
| Posted: 10/23/2005 8:34:09 AM | |
| P: 10/23/2005 9:31:30 AM | |
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
The easiest and safest bet are to have him call goodoldgold or whiteflash and give them your basic specs for color, clarity, size and price and have them match it up with a diamond. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 10/23/2005 9:31:30 AM | |
| P: 10/23/2005 10:07:16 AM | |
Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
Date: 10/22/2005 8:57:40 PM Author:peonygirl What are some classifications that are consistently very high-quality? That is, any stones in that category would be basically guaranteed to be very well cut? As it turns out my boyfriend isn't as in enthusiastic as I thought about doing lots of research about cuts, and he asked me to narrow down the process for him a bit. Here is my list so far, as a complete novice who's hung around on PS for a few months. Please feel free to correct me or add to my list. Thanks! AGS0 Whiteflash ACA H&A Blue Nile Signature round (?) Hmm. I see that you ask for classifications and are given names of vendors, perhaps because you mentioned AGS 0 and Whiteflash. Any AGS 0 is guaranteed to be very well cut. Some will be better than others as many AGS 0 cuts will not display an H&A pattern under a viewer. Any AGS1 is guaranteed also to be very well cut, and MOST buyers can not see the difference between an AGS 0 and an AGS 1. I know that this is heretical to express, but years of selling diamonds tells me that is true. It is also true that with a little time any competent jeweler can teach you to see minor differences than you can see without that training. It is also very easy to show someone the major differences that they might not notice if you did not point them out while in the klieg light atmosphere of a retail jeweler, but that would leave them somewhat dissapointed in normal lighting. In truth, many AGS 2's and 3's will be incredibly beautiful as well suffering only minor symmetry and polish faults to bring them down, or minor variations in light performance that are not easily visible to the eye. Here however, it is necessary to be more knowledgeable to avoid getting one of those "looked good in the store" stones, so I recommend that you stick with at least an AGS1 or better diamond. If you are dealing with a competent vendor than you can also safely buy GIA stones that have the Sarin data available, as you can easily check to see that the 61 depth 57% table stone has appropriate crown and pavilion angles to keep that stone in the ideal catagory. You will want to read further in these pages to find discussions about the dangers of getting a technically ideal stone that just does not look it due to innapropriate combinations such as being at the steep crown and deep pavilion edges of the parameters. Wink Wink Jones |
| Posted: 10/23/2005 10:07:16 AM | |
| P: 10/23/2005 10:58:42 AM | |
glitterata Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,364 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/17/2002 |
Wink, that's all excellent advice, but learning which angles to avoid so as not to get a dud is probably more work than Peonygirl's boyfriend is willing to do. That's why she's getting vendor recommendations. She asked for categories guaranteed to yield a well cut stone, so people are recommending the favorite PS brands. Shay has a good list. I would add Wink's Venus-by-Infinity diamonds. Plus, he's a super nice guy!
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| Posted: 10/23/2005 10:58:42 AM | |
| P: 10/23/2005 11:44:50 AM | |
Bagpuss Ideal Rock Total Posts: 830 Last Post: 11/27/2005 Member Since: 9/10/2003 |
Good answer Wink.  In truth, many AGS 2's and 3's will be incredibly beautiful as well suffering only minor symmetry and polish faults to bring them down, or minor variations in light performance that are not easily visible to the eye. Here however, it is necessary to be more knowledgeable to avoid getting one of those "looked good in the store" stones, so I recommend that you stick with at least an AGS1 or better diamond. I would imagine that any of the vendors mentioned here, yourself included, could find one of the better AGS 2's and 3's if a buyer asked you to look for one? This is where a trusted vendor would come into their own. ----------------------------- |
| Posted: 10/23/2005 11:44:50 AM | |
| P: 10/23/2005 11:50:09 AM | |
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Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
Thank you for the kind comments Glitterata. I agree that is definitely more work that HE is going to want to do, I was offering that comment for her, should she want to do some extra research. Persoanlly I would advise her to stick with AGS1's and 0's to be sure that she is getting an extraordinarily beautiful stone. These will come with some premium over other stones which may also be beautiful in their own rights, but I would think the comfort of being sure well worth the extra price. By the way Peonygirl, if you would like to be really sure you can send your proposed diamonds to one of the many fine appraisers here for their assesment prior to purchase for your additional comfort. Most of the vendors here will send it to an accepted appraiser for no charge to you. You pay only the postage and the cost of the appraiser and are allowed to return the stone directly to the vendor should you not like what the appraiser has to say. If you decide to keep the stone you can then transfer funds to the vendor who will then allow the appraiser to send it directly to you, thus saving insurance and postage to the vendor prior to his shipping it to you. Wink Wink Wink Jones |
| Posted: 10/23/2005 11:50:09 AM | |
| P: 10/23/2005 11:57:20 AM | |
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Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
Date: 10/23/2005 11:44:50 AM Author: Bagpuss Good answer Wink. In truth, many AGS 2's and 3's will be incredibly beautiful as well suffering only minor symmetry and polish faults to bring them down, or minor variations in light performance that are not easily visible to the eye. Here however, it is necessary to be more knowledgeable to avoid getting one of those 'looked good in the store' stones, so I recommend that you stick with at least an AGS1 or better diamond. I would imagine that any of the vendors mentioned here, yourself included, could find one of the better AGS 2's and 3's if a buyer asked you to look for one? This is where a trusted vendor would come into their own. So true, so true. Still, when looking for comfort it is always better to trust, but verify. Many of us here at Pricescope know and trust each other from years of experience. We forget how hard that can be for a newcomer sometimes. Wink Wink Jones |
| Posted: 10/23/2005 11:57:20 AM | |
| P: 10/23/2005 1:48:44 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
btw the reason Wink (winkjones.com) and Gary (diamondexpert.com) arent on my list for this one is that GOG and WF are more likely to have a diamond to fit more specs because of their large inventory. They (Gary, Wink) both carry awesome diamonds but a narrower selection. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 10/23/2005 1:48:44 PM | |
| P: 10/23/2005 4:28:54 PM | |
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Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
Date: 10/23/2005 1:48:44 PM Author: strmrdr btw the reason Wink (winkjones.com) and Gary (diamondexpert.com) arent on my list for this one is that GOG and WF are more likely to have a diamond to fit more specs because of their large inventory. They (Gary, Wink) both carry awesome diamonds but a narrower selection. LOL! That is so sad, but true. When I grow up, or in my next life maybe, I want to be like them! Thank you for the kind comment! Wink P.S. My wife says that since I am already a geezer and all my former contemporaries are retired that it is unlikely I shall grow up, so it will have to be in my next life... Wink Jones |
| Posted: 10/23/2005 4:28:54 PM | |
| P: 10/23/2005 7:06:35 PM | |
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,901 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002 |
Wink Said: ________________________________ |
| Posted: 10/23/2005 7:06:35 PM | |
| P: 10/23/2005 7:11:41 PM | |
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Bagpuss Ideal Rock Total Posts: 830 Last Post: 11/27/2005 Member Since: 9/10/2003 |
My wife says......I am already a geezer...... Yes, a diamond geezer! 
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| Posted: 10/23/2005 7:11:41 PM | |
| P: 10/23/2005 7:16:31 PM | |
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Bagpuss Ideal Rock Total Posts: 830 Last Post: 11/27/2005 Member Since: 9/10/2003 |
The phrase 'Diamond Geezer' is London slang; the Oxford slang dictionary definition reads - A really wonderful man ----------------------------- |
| Posted: 10/23/2005 7:16:31 PM | |
| P: 10/24/2005 9:59:41 AM | |
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Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
Date: 10/23/2005 7:06:35 PM Author: Mara -Snip- Just curious...I haven't followed too much of the new grading stats so this statement stood out to me as interesting. Thanks! I suppose it might be possible with the new certs to find one that was not wonderful, but I think it VERY unlikely. Our supplicant asked for comfort, and I honestly think that with any AGS 1 or 0 that she should be comfortable, especially with the new certs. I would still expect her to actually look at it before finalizing the sale, just in case I was wrong. Wink Wink Jones |
| Posted: 10/24/2005 9:59:41 AM | |
| P: 10/24/2005 10:01:20 AM | |
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Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
Date: 10/23/2005 7:16:31 PM Author: Bagpuss The phrase 'Diamond Geezer' is London slang; the Oxford slang dictionary definition reads - A really wonderful man Why thank you dear Lady Bagpuss. I had no idea that Geezer was such a great term in England. I shall have to tease my wife with this! Wink Wink Jones |
| Posted: 10/24/2005 10:01:20 AM | |
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