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For the Love of Asschers

P: 10/20/2005 3:41:14 PM
cymbrie Cut Rock Total Posts: 347 Last Post: 3/8/2009 Member Since: 10/13/2005	Per the suggestions from Decodelighted, Kaleigh, and Mrssalvo I am starting a thread on the topic of Asschers (SE)s. As mentioned in the previous string: http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?mode=viewtopic&topicID=21147&num=30&pageNo=2 I am recently engaged and in the process of researching the mesmeric Asscher for an ering. From what I've read on previous posts regarding Asschers it seems best to consult with vendors such as GOG and Engagementringsdirect to procure the best quality stones. I would greatly appreciate ANY and ALL information on this exquisite cut. Kaleigh...I would LOVE to hear all about your Asscher buying experience this summer...do share...pictures would be awesome! Thank you Decodelighted, Kaleigh, and Mrssalvo for your prompt responses and for making this newbie feel welcome. Many Thanks and Cheers, Cym Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.
Posted: 10/20/2005 3:41:14 PM

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P: 10/20/2005 3:45:10 PM
allycat0303 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,928 Last Post: 11/15/2009 Member Since: 11/19/2004	Hi Cymbrie, Welcome to Pricescope! I hope Kaleigh won't be mad but I posted a link to her gorgeous asscher right hand ring http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=34088 It's practically the sexiest thing I've ever seen
Posted: 10/20/2005 3:45:10 PM

P: 10/20/2005 3:48:19 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	first law of buying asschers on the net: good pictures are manditory. second law see first law third law numbers are a guidline look at the pictures. forth law patterns patterns patterns patterns patterns fifth law 10% or higher crown is the important number Everything else can be seen in a good photo and sometimes from the side view photo crown height is odvious too. sixth law :} asschers rule and the rest drool :} seventh law get more pictures ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 10/20/2005 3:48:19 PM

P: 10/20/2005 3:51:11 PM
ecf8503 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,008 Last Post: 11/13/2009 Member Since: 2/14/2005	I know Kaleigh worked with strmrdr to find her asscher (strmrdr's kind of the PS resident expert on asschers). A wealth of knowledge and an eagle eye for a quality rock there!
Posted: 10/20/2005 3:51:11 PM

P: 10/20/2005 3:57:42 PM
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,919 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004	Thanks cymbrie, that is so sweet of you. No problem Ally, everyone knows I can't post pics anyways!!! The first thing I did was to talk to Storm. I asked him via PM to help me find the perfect asscher. I had read up on them here and was still confused. He found the one at GOG. We anaylized everything about it and it was a good price as well. This is a RHR so I didn't want to spend tooo much. I also had in mind the setting I wanted to create for it as well. Anyway with Storm's advice I bought the stone from GOG. Jonathon was very helpful as well. I used the numbers as a guideline, but really concentrated on the pics. They tell a lot about a stone. Anyway it did turn out to be a Storm worthy asscher and I am thrilled with it. ____________________________ Piece of cake and a candle. ng gift
Posted: 10/20/2005 3:57:42 PM

P: 10/20/2005 4:25:00 PM
cymbrie Cut Rock Total Posts: 347 Last Post: 3/8/2009 Member Since: 10/13/2005	Wow thanks for such quick responses! Storm thanks for the Asscher commandments. I will be sure to refer back to them in my search. Thanks for the pix Alleycat...very cool! Kaleigh thanks for your story what a stellar ring! I hope Storm will assist in my search when we are ready to make the final plunge Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.
Posted: 10/20/2005 4:25:00 PM

P: 10/20/2005 4:30:57 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 10/20/2005 4:25:00 PM Author: cymbrie I hope Storm will assist in my search when we are ready to make the final plunge anytime :} ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 10/20/2005 4:30:57 PM

P: 10/20/2005 4:34:35 PM
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,919 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004	cymbrie, With Storm's help you can't go wrong. Serioulsy. I can't wait to see what you 2 find!!! ____________________________ Piece of cake and a candle. ng gift
Posted: 10/20/2005 4:34:35 PM

P: 10/20/2005 5:40:53 PM
cymbrie Cut Rock Total Posts: 347 Last Post: 3/8/2009 Member Since: 10/13/2005	Thanks, you guys Rock! Not to be punny. It'll probably be a few months before we start the actual selection process likely after the new year. We're still narrowing down the budget...which hopefully will allow me to get something I really like . My initial thought (insert dream rock here) is best quality cut/symmetry/polish, F color, VS2 about 1.5-2.0 carats. Although after seeing Wendy's 1.83 carat, J color, SI I might re-think those specs. The setting I like is the Dvatche X-Prong. Like many others, I love the look and simplicity of Tiffany's Lucida, but A) don't want to pay a premium, B) am in love with the Asscher cut which Tiffany WILL NOT substitute in that setting. So I've spent many many months online trying to find out as much as I can and where the best resources are for these types of stones. I'm SOOO thrilled to have found this site. It's so cool to be able to interact with other gemlovers. As with most passions/pursuits only those who share the interest can relate. When I have more time, and if you're interested I'll tell you the story of the 7.24 carat aquamarine pendant I designed and had fabricated for my mom complete with 8 trilliant diamonds ([4] 0.3 carats [4] 0.25 carats) flanking it. Have to locate the pix too! Thanks again! Cheers, Cym Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.
Posted: 10/20/2005 5:40:53 PM

P: 10/20/2005 5:47:38 PM
Matatora Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,230 Last Post: 7/26/2006 Member Since: 3/6/2005	oh! You should definately post all about in in the Colored Stones thread. Sounds yummy! -Matatora Courage is the price that life extracts for granting peace Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.
Posted: 10/20/2005 5:47:38 PM

P: 10/20/2005 5:52:56 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 10/20/2005 5:40:53 PM Author: cymbrie My initial thought (insert dream rock here) is best quality cut/symmetry/polish, F color, VS2 about 1.5-2.0 carats. Cym http://www.goodoldgold.com/asscher_2_02ct_f_vs1.htm next :} That one is actualy what I call a steep drop off asscher because it will appear to drop in the center instead of stepping down. Im kinda torn on where they fall on my grading scale. Some people love the look better than the more stepped down looking ones. Im the opposite prefering the stepped look. Either way its a kicken asscher :} the actual photo does have some tilt the LS image is much better leveled. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 10/20/2005 5:52:56 PM

P: 10/20/2005 6:05:41 PM
widget Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,254 Last Post: 12/20/2008 Member Since: 11/12/2004	Author: strmrdr forth law patterns patterns patterns patterns patterns Hey storm...while we're on the subject of "dream" asschers... is there a preferred look for windmills? Or is it a matter of taste? (Forgive me if you've addressed this elsewhere.) I'm sure it's important that they are symmetrical and meet at the culet, but what about width? Skinny? wide? inbetween? I've even seen some square EC's with NO windmills! widget (Edited to add) Oops...Cym I forgot to welcome you to PS! It sounds like you'll be getting a fabulous stone! Have fun!
Posted: 10/20/2005 6:05:41 PM

P: 10/20/2005 8:04:31 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 10/20/2005 6:05:41 PM Author: widget Author: strmrdr forth law patterns patterns patterns patterns patterns Hey storm...while we're on the subject of 'dream' asschers... is there a preferred look for windmills? Or is it a matter of taste? (Forgive me if you've addressed this elsewhere.) I'm sure it's important that they are symmetrical and meet at the culet, but what about width? Skinny? wide? inbetween? I've even seen some square EC's with NO windmills! widget (Edited to add) Oops...Cym I forgot to welcome you to PS! It sounds like you'll be getting a fabulous stone! Have fun! They should be the width of the cut corners no more and no less then taper uniformly as it goes towards the culet. How big the cut corners are is a matter of what you like. Its one of those things where you look at it and say thats just right. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 10/20/2005 8:04:31 PM

P: 10/20/2005 8:24:38 PM
cymbrie Cut Rock Total Posts: 347 Last Post: 3/8/2009 Member Since: 10/13/2005	Date: 10/20/2005 5:52:56 PM Author: strmrdr Date: 10/20/2005 5:40:53 PM Author: cymbrie My initial thought (insert dream rock here) is best quality cut/symmetry/polish, F color, VS2 about 1.5-2.0 carats. Cym http://www.goodoldgold.com/asscher_2_02ct_f_vs1.htm next :} That one is actualy what I call a steep drop off asscher because it will appear to drop in the center instead of stepping down. Im kinda torn on where they fall on my grading scale. Some people love the look better than the more stepped down looking ones. Im the opposite prefering the stepped look. Either way its a kicken asscher :} the actual photo does have some tilt the LS image is much better leveled. That one is VERY pretty storm, I'm almost afraid to know "how much of niceness" (as mom would say) for that one. Please forgive my ignorance but would you be able to post a pic of both the "steep drop off" and a "more stepped down look" I would need to see them side by side to determine which look I prefer. I'm sure I have a preference but I lack the "technical speak" to tell you which one. Thanks to widget for the welcome and for bringing up windmills. I definitely like a well balanced proportionate windmill pattern. The pattern in the link storm included has nice windmills. I don't like the SEs w/out em as much. Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.
Posted: 10/20/2005 8:24:38 PM

P: 10/20/2005 8:27:01 PM
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,919 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004	Yes that's a great idea cymbrie. Can you do that Storm, it would provide a great visual. Pretty please ____________________________ Piece of cake and a candle. ng gift
Posted: 10/20/2005 8:27:01 PM

P: 10/20/2005 8:57:15 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Thanks to GOG for the base images. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 10/20/2005 8:57:15 PM

P: 10/20/2005 9:31:52 PM
widget Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,254 Last Post: 12/20/2008 Member Since: 11/12/2004	Wow! So interesting! I just went back and looked at my asscher with "new eyes"!! Thanks, Storm!
Posted: 10/20/2005 9:31:52 PM

P: 10/20/2005 10:59:01 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	I like the pattern idea... with a little reserve. This is one thing that does not show in all lights and I would consider the pattern (either contrast or the look of those clipped corners) relative to size too. Widget, that doesn't apply to your diamond for obvious reasons! It is HUGE! Pictures make a big deal of contrast brilliance because most cameras are balck. Only if they were of light color... This factoid might better be left out of the ecuation, IMO. Here's a rather heavy handed approach to showing that matter of size. Even shrunk these are still large compared to the real thing - 5mm pictures are not feasible, of course. Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 10/20/2005 10:59:01 PM

P: 10/21/2005 12:16:48 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Val, The patterns will show more in asschers than rounds. Remember that head shadow isnt the only thing and not even the primary component in creating the patters. leakage is. When there isnt a lot of head shadow around the patterns become white with brighter white instead of gray/black with white. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 10/21/2005 12:16:48 AM

P: 10/21/2005 12:52:02 AM
cymbrie Cut Rock Total Posts: 347 Last Post: 3/8/2009 Member Since: 10/13/2005	Wow storm, thanks for doing that. You know, I thought it would jump out at me, but there is such unique beauty to each of those stones. I think I like the look of the "drop" you first linked best (middle stone). It appears to have the most depth and seems most balanced esp when Val shrank them. Are these 58 facet or 74 facet asschers? I read that classic/vintage asschers only have 58 facets whereas the modern design branded by RA has 74 facets. More facets in most cases provide more fire if properly cut right? Speaking of classic vs. modern RA, I emailed a jeweler this question and received no response. Storm can you show us a classic and RA asscher side by side now? It's funny, the more I research these puppies the more questions seem to crop up...You know all diamonds have their beauty but the more I read and the more I see the deeper and deeper I fall under the spell of the asscher... Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.
Posted: 10/21/2005 12:52:02 AM

P: 10/21/2005 12:58:46 AM
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,919 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004	cymbrie, I think of all the cuts out there, asschers are the hardest nut to crack so to speak. Storm has something in store for tomorrow, which will be a great learning experience for all of us. Stay tuned!! Hint, I asked him to line up some pics for us to judge. Should be fun. ____________________________ Piece of cake and a candle. ng gift
Posted: 10/21/2005 12:58:46 AM

P: 10/21/2005 1:34:24 AM
cymbrie Cut Rock Total Posts: 347 Last Post: 3/8/2009 Member Since: 10/13/2005	Oh most Exellent ...yeah figured as much...would be me to love the most beautiful (in my humble opinion) but ellusive cut. I cannot express in words how thrilled I am to have found PS...now I don't have to drive the fiance crazy with all my gemtalk he's probably going to sign on just to thank you all for keeping me out of his hair. Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.
Posted: 10/21/2005 1:34:24 AM

P: 10/21/2005 3:13:02 AM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	Date: 10/21/2005 12:16:48 AM Author: strmrdr Remember that head shadow isnt the only thing and not even the primary component in creating the patters. leakage is. Ok... so the same pattern shows differently in different settings - different colors get reflected and the direction of the primary lighting sounds may favor some facets rather than others. I reffered to the head shadow thing because that is what shows in the current pictures and also, that instance may be when any such pattern becomes more visible (black on white rather than degrees of brighteness). I am pretty sure you can come in with some nice DC models and pictures to boot ;) Thanks for all the work ! Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 10/21/2005 3:13:02 AM

P: 10/21/2005 5:09:13 AM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	Something about the RA and the generics... Sure enough, this little picture is based just what is mentioned (the representation of the RA cut scheme on a poster and an IS image) and as much insight one can get in a week plus some nice piece of software. Just for fun, there are non-branded step cuts with one more row of facets on the pavilion, but I don't think these stones are cut to match the looks or the proportions of the RA. I am not sure it is the extra row of facets that is the critical component of this look - most of it should be comming from the proportions of the cut that are hard to find anyway - with or without the extra facets. In this, their tag line ('the cut they can't touch') sounds well justified to me. Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 10/21/2005 5:09:13 AM

P: 10/21/2005 7:28:50 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	The kewl thing is that the second and third asschers have the exact same number of facets. The first has 3 rows of crown facets and 4 rows of pavilian facets or as I call them 3c/4p asschers but you can get the same look from a 3c/3p asscher but its a lot harder to do and much harder to find than in the 3c/4p asschers. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 10/21/2005 7:28:50 AM

P: 10/21/2005 7:32:06 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 10/21/2005 12:52:02 AM Author: cymbrie Wow storm, thanks for doing that. You know, I thought it would jump out at me, but there is such unique beauty to each of those stones. I think I like the look of the 'drop' you first linked best (middle stone). It appears to have the most depth and seems most balanced esp when Val shrank them. Thank you that made a decision for me, They will be included in the strm0 class which is something iv been going back and forth on. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 10/21/2005 7:32:06 AM

P: 10/21/2005 8:18:36 AM
DiamondLil Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,405 Last Post: 6/1/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2003	I'm looking forward to this, Strm. Consequently, I like the big and small step asschers (1 and 3) better than the drop. It's interesting when we all see beauty differently. DiamondLil ________________ "Diamonds are nothing more than chunks of coal that stuck to their jobs."
Posted: 10/21/2005 8:18:36 AM

P: 10/21/2005 8:31:56 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	question for everyone: Does wide step or big step better discribe them? narrow vs small? Im going to turn this into an article eventualy I think so want to settle on names. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 10/21/2005 8:31:56 AM

P: 10/21/2005 8:34:53 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	example of patterns with little too no head shadow. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 10/21/2005 8:34:53 AM

P: 10/21/2005 8:37:43 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	About the RA's iv seen a couple of them and they ranged from very nice to awesome. To my eye they look a little too busy in the smaller sizes. 3ct and up I think they will come into there own a little more. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 10/21/2005 8:37:43 AM

P: 10/21/2005 10:20:25 AM
widget Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,254 Last Post: 12/20/2008 Member Since: 11/12/2004	Date: 10/21/2005 8:34:53 AM Author: strmrdr example of patterns with little too no head shadow. Storm...regarding this picture you posted and referrence to "head shadow"... (I do hope my questions aren't too stupid...) Does 'lack of a head shadow' mean disappearance, or at least obscurring of the table? The example above seems to have four crown facets making for a very small table. I almost imagine it being "pointy" in profile and reminescent of a Mayan pyramid. Am I off base here? widget PS: Regarding your question on terminology for the pavillion steps: I like "wide/narrow" better than "big/small". The term "Drop off", to me anyway, evoked an image of uneven steps: three narrow ones and one big one, for instance....is that what you meant?
Posted: 10/21/2005 10:20:25 AM

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