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thoughts on these 2?? |
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| P: 10/19/2005 9:01:42 PM | |
novice_buyer Rough Rock Total Posts: 17 Last Post: 10/21/2005 Member Since: 10/13/2005 |
Looking for some PS thoughts on these 2 stones! #1: 1.55 (AGS) HSI1 depth-60.6%, tbl-55%, crn-34.9, pav-40.7 - ID/ID #2: 1.55 (AGS) HSI1 depth 61.3%, tbl-55%, crn-34.1, pav-41 - ID/ID
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| Posted: 10/19/2005 9:01:42 PM | |
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| P: 10/19/2005 9:02:55 PM | |
novice_buyer Rough Rock Total Posts: 17 Last Post: 10/21/2005 Member Since: 10/13/2005 |
ideal scope of #2:![]()
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| Posted: 10/19/2005 9:02:55 PM | |
| P: 10/19/2005 9:03:44 PM | |
novice_buyer Rough Rock Total Posts: 17 Last Post: 10/21/2005 Member Since: 10/13/2005 |
picture of #1![]()
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| Posted: 10/19/2005 9:03:44 PM | |
| P: 10/19/2005 9:04:28 PM | |
novice_buyer Rough Rock Total Posts: 17 Last Post: 10/21/2005 Member Since: 10/13/2005 |
picture of #2![]()
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| Posted: 10/19/2005 9:04:28 PM | |
| P: 10/19/2005 11:15:02 PM | |
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Shay37 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,343 Last Post: 8/30/2008 Member Since: 3/2/2004 |
Number 1 all the way. I like the numbers better, and the depth is right in my sweet spot. Yes, I know that sounds kooky, but it's true. to me, depth does have a sweet spot. ![]() shay eta: did I mention that IS rocks!!! ______________________________My therapist loves me. His name is Brian the Cutter. |
| Posted: 10/19/2005 11:15:02 PM | |
| P: 10/19/2005 11:26:48 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
I like the angles of #2 better dispite how badly the diamond is tilted in the IS shot the optical symetry looks good. Get heart images for both. From there it will boil down to cost. I wouldnt pay much more for one over the other so the cheaper one will win in my book. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 10/19/2005 11:26:48 PM | |
| P: 10/19/2005 11:30:10 PM | |
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belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004 |
#1. the stone in #2 is tilted a bit making the arrows look off, but the idealscope in #1 still looks better.
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| Posted: 10/19/2005 11:30:10 PM | |
| P: 10/19/2005 11:32:50 PM | |
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Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,899 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004 |
#1 gets my vote. Like the depth and the IS better than #2. This is the first time I have ever disagreed with Storm, yikes. But like he said what is the cost factor???
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| Posted: 10/19/2005 11:32:50 PM | |
| P: 10/19/2005 11:50:33 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Date: 10/19/2005 11:32:50 PM Author: kaleigh #1 gets my vote. Like the depth and the IS better than #2. This is the first time I have ever disagreed with Storm, yikes. But like he said what is the cost factor??? opens spread sheet... adds check mark Just kidding :} Both sets of angles work its a wash there both is images are good == tie hearts? unknown cost? unknown I like the added contrast of the classic cut of the second its subtle and a lot of people might not even notice it. The 34.1/41 combo is a bright combo which I like. This is one of those times that personality not quality would be the deciding factor. In general I perfer the personality of the second over the first slightly. Id go with the lower cost one. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 10/19/2005 11:50:33 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 12:58:37 AM | |
novice_buyer Rough Rock Total Posts: 17 Last Post: 10/21/2005 Member Since: 10/13/2005 |
thanks for all the thoughts. i'll look into the hearts. as far as costs, #2 is $500 cheaper than #1. so sounds like #2 would be the way to go.
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| Posted: 10/20/2005 12:58:37 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 4:05:33 AM | |
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Matatora Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,230 Last Post: 7/26/2006 Member Since: 3/6/2005 |
Stone One scored a 1 on the HCA and stone Two scored a 1.4, both look great in the pictures and idealscope images. You did not post the measurements of the stones, what are they? I would assume pretty close but that might be a factor to consider. Otherwise 500$ is enough to have me leaning towards number 2.
-Matatora Courage is the price that life extracts for granting peace Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor. |
| Posted: 10/20/2005 4:05:33 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 10:29:18 AM | |
novice_buyer Rough Rock Total Posts: 17 Last Post: 10/21/2005 Member Since: 10/13/2005 |
dimensions are: #1 - 7.49x7.52x4.54 #2 - 7.48 x 7.51 x 4.60
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| Posted: 10/20/2005 10:29:18 AM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 12:43:09 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Date: 10/20/2005 10:29:18 AM Author: novice_buyer dimensions are: #1 - 7.49x7.52x4.54 #2 - 7.48 x 7.51 x 4.60 Thats a wash too. Any word on heart photos? ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 10/20/2005 12:43:09 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 2:22:48 PM | |
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belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004 |
there is leakage under the table on the second stone, but it's hard to say without the sarin whether or not that is caused by the tilt or the angles. #1 is still my top pick. you CAN NOT go wrong with an aca. the hearts for the aca are going to be perfection. that is why the are not posted on the website. here is a link about hearts images for wf.
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| Posted: 10/20/2005 2:22:48 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 3:15:08 PM | |
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Tacori E-ring Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,082 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 8/15/2005 |
I love the pattern of #2
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| Posted: 10/20/2005 3:15:08 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 4:50:14 PM | |
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JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004 |
Date: 10/20/2005 2:22:48 PM Author: belle the hearts for the aca are going to be perfection. that is why the are not posted on the website. here is a link about hearts images for wf. Thank you Belle. The clarification is appreciated. Novice_Buyer I sent you a PM. Belle is correct but I will have the hearts tasked for you if you would like to see them anyway. John |
| Posted: 10/20/2005 4:50:14 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 5:19:56 PM | |
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belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004 |
Date: 10/20/2005 4:50:14 PM you're welcome of course sir john.Author: JohnQuixote Date: 10/20/2005 2:22:48 PM Author: belle the hearts for the aca are going to be perfection. that is why the are not posted on the website. here is a link about hearts images for wf. Thank you Belle. The clarification is appreciated. Novice_Buyer I sent you a PM. Belle is correct but I will have the hearts tasked for you if you would like to see them anyway. that is cool that you are going to get pics of the hearts anyway (for strm )i could have probably saved you a step though... i bet they are going to look something like this:
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| Posted: 10/20/2005 5:19:56 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 5:27:28 PM | |
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Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,899 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004 |
I bet they will too belle. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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| Posted: 10/20/2005 5:27:28 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 5:37:28 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Date: 10/20/2005 5:19:56 PM Author: belle Date: 10/20/2005 4:50:14 PM that is cool that you are going to get pics of the hearts anyway (for strm )Tell me belle would it have been fair to just say get the heart photo for the jamesallan diamond? I dont think it would be. When comparing 2 diamond's hearts the fair thing to do is compare the real images for both diamonds. Wouldnt you agree? I fully expect the aca's hearts to be just fine :} Im not seeing anything that leads me to believe that the others are bad either. So the fair thing to do if its going to be part of the buying decision is too look at the actual heart images for both and compare them. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 10/20/2005 5:37:28 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 5:49:48 PM | |
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belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004 |
strm, you've made it clear that you would pick the lower priced stone. you know exactly what aca hearts look like. what in the hearts is going to change your decsion?
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| Posted: 10/20/2005 5:49:48 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 6:12:00 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Date: 10/20/2005 5:49:48 PM Author: belle strm, you've made it clear that you would pick the lower priced stone. you know exactly what aca hearts look like. what in the hearts is going to change your decsion? Well if the aca's hearts look $500 better of course then it would win. hmmmm what do $500 better hearts look like. We might find out, might not. Its another piece to the puzzle and the puzzle is never done until all the pieces are in place and the person buying it is comfortable with it. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 10/20/2005 6:12:00 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 7:18:49 PM | |
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Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,218 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004 |
Date: 10/20/2005 6:12:00 PM i agree with strm...Author: strmrdr Date: 10/20/2005 5:49:48 PM Author: belle strm, you've made it clear that you would pick the lower priced stone. you know exactly what aca hearts look like. what in the hearts is going to change your decsion? Well if the aca's hearts look $500 better of course then it would win. hmmmm what do $500 better hearts look like. We might find out, might not. Its another piece to the puzzle and the puzzle is never done until all the pieces are in place and the person buying it is comfortable with it. WF always been shy about showing their ACA hearts.i know,i know,they're all suppose to be perfect. so...why not show them? it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone. |
| Posted: 10/20/2005 7:18:49 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 7:27:10 PM | |
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Shay37 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,343 Last Post: 8/30/2008 Member Since: 3/2/2004 |
I thought those hearts looked familiar. ![]() shay ______________________________My therapist loves me. His name is Brian the Cutter. |
| Posted: 10/20/2005 7:27:10 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 8:33:48 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Before this thread goes in a direction I didn't intend I want to say a few things. 1. every ACA heart image Iv seen has met Brian's guarantee for true h&a 2. every ACA heart image Iv seen has met my standard for true h&a 3. To say they all look the same is not true and that is not what the guarantee is. The guarantee is they will meet Brian's standard for true h&a which is very high. I dont think this one will be the exception. The possiblity exists however that the other diamond under discussion has true h&a patterns also. If its just close to it then the matter of $500 comes into play and if the difference is worth $500. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 10/20/2005 8:33:48 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 9:05:31 PM | |
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aljdewey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,236 Last Post: 2/11/2008 Member Since: 11/25/2002 |
![]() Date: 10/20/2005 7:18:49 PM Author: Dancing Fire i agree with strm... WF always been shy about showing their ACA hearts. i know,i know,they're all suppose to be perfect. so...why not show them? DF....that's a crock of what makes the grass grow. WF has NEVER been shy about showing their ACA hearts. They HAVE been unwilling to invest a boatload of time photographing hearts images just to satisfy one particularly vocal and insistent faction here.......who is not even in the market for a diamond. If I were a Toyota dealer, I'm fine taking anyone who's a potential BUYER for a test drive in the Corolla of their choice. Maybe even two. But I'm not about to have a pedestrian bystander who's not even in the market for a car demand a test drive of every single Corolla on my lot just to satisfy himself that the quality is consistent. As far as I'm concerned as the dealer there....I don't care if he believes or not if he ain't buying. _____________________ |
| Posted: 10/20/2005 9:05:31 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 9:11:03 PM | |
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aljdewey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,236 Last Post: 2/11/2008 Member Since: 11/25/2002 |
Date: 10/20/2005 8:33:48 PM Author: strmrdr Before this thread goes in a direction I didn't intend I want to say a few things. 1. every ACA heart image Iv seen has met Brian's guarantee for true h&a 2. every ACA heart image Iv seen has met my standard for true h&a 3. To say they all look the same is not true and that is not what the guarantee is. The guarantee is they will meet Brian's standard for true h&a which is very high. I dont think this one will be the exception. It's worth pointing out that Brian is one of the leaders in being a standard-bearer for true hearts and arrows. Considering that "Brian's standard" is among the most stringent standards around, I'm quite confident that guarantee would satisfy any customer. You guys can boondoggle this all you want to, but facts is facts.
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| Posted: 10/20/2005 9:11:03 PM | |
| P: 10/20/2005 9:20:23 PM | |
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aljdewey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,236 Last Post: 2/11/2008 Member Since: 11/25/2002 |
In the interest of keeping this thread on track, let me offer input to Novice Buyer, the OP. From these numbers and images, it would seem you cannot go wrong no matter which you select. Both look to be stunning stones. As a matter of personal preference, I prefer the stats on the first stone because I *personally* prefer stones that are a bit more shallow. I also know I like the performance in stones with the crown/pav. combo of #1. Again, that's just personal preference. is there any way you can send both to a local appraiser to see them yourself? It really is about a stone's personality and what speaks to you.
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| Posted: 10/20/2005 9:20:23 PM | |
| P: 10/21/2005 1:12:44 AM | |
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JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004 |
I'd like to note that ACA patterning has never been touted as 'perfect.' Strm stated it correctly; they all meet Brian's published standards. Before I expound on this for new readers, I want to acknowledge that there are a few regulars here on PS who would like to see more examples of Brian's ACA hearts - not to criticize - but because they are enthusiasts. This is an important distinction. One we understand and welcome. ![]() John |
| Posted: 10/21/2005 1:12:44 AM | |
| P: 10/21/2005 4:32:54 AM | |
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Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,218 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004 |
Date: 10/20/2005 9:05:31 PM AljAuthor: aljdewey ![]() Date: 10/20/2005 7:18:49 PM Author: Dancing Fire i agree with strm... WF always been shy about showing their ACA hearts. i know,i know,they're all suppose to be perfect. so...why not show them? DF....that's a crock of what makes the grass grow. WF has NEVER been shy about showing their ACA hearts. They HAVE been unwilling to invest a boatload of time photographing hearts images just to satisfy one particularly vocal and insistent faction here.......who is not even in the market for a diamond. If I were a Toyota dealer, I'm fine taking anyone who's a potential BUYER for a test drive in the Corolla of their choice. Maybe even two. But I'm not about to have a pedestrian bystander who's not even in the market for a car demand a test drive of every single Corolla on my lot just to satisfy himself that the quality is consistent. As far as I'm concerned as the dealer there....I don't care if he believes or not if he ain't buying. oh yeah...how many ACA hearts of the actual stone have you seen posted here on PS? they're selling H&A stones so why not post teh actual "hearts" picture on their website? first of all...i love WF, i been a satisfy customer of WF.after i purchase a 5 stone 1.27 ctw ACA ring from WF,i took it and compared with the same size HOF ring. the ACA ring was just as beautiful if not better than the HOF ring at a much lower price plus the color & clarity is higher on teh ACA ring.i highly recommen ACA stone over HOF any day. luckily for Toyota you're not one of the managers at their dealership.how do you know who's a POTENTIAL buyer or a tire kicker? you can read someones mind? so... you would say something like i'm sorry sir you can't test drive one of our cars b/c i know you ain't buying one!!!
it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone. |
| Posted: 10/21/2005 4:32:54 AM | |
| P: 10/21/2005 8:08:14 AM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Thank you JohnQ as expected it is true h&a. I expected nothing less. Now when the heart images for the other come in we can compare. I think this thread is turning into a very educational thread. Thank you for the help. Thank you for understanding that im in no way attacking WF ACA patterns. Yes id like to see more heart images for ACA's and thats what it has been about not the quality of the hearts. In this thread a comparison was sought not an attack on WF. Im looking forward to the hearts for the other diamond under discussion being posted so we can move forward. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 10/21/2005 8:08:14 AM | |
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aljdewey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,236 Last Post: 2/11/2008 Member Since: 11/25/2002 |
Date: 10/21/2005 4:32:54 AM
Author: Dancing Fire Alj oh yeah...how many ACA hearts of the actual stone have you seen posted here on PS? DF.....what relevance does that question have to ANYTHING? What gets posted on PS has more to do with what CONSUMERS post...not what vendors post. In fact, if vendors were to begin littering the forums with their own images, it's likely they would run afoul of the rule on self-promotion. Case in point....here's the link from when I got my stone: http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=11146&forumID=3&catID=&search=1&searchstring= Take a good look, DF....there's at least a dozen photos in that thread.....and I didn't ever post the hearts image. Yes, I got the hearts image from WF, and yes, I could have posted....but I didn't...for no particular reason. So you guys didn't see it. By the time most consumers the get their stones, they are consumed with posting pictures of the piece itself. How does that translate in your brain to "WF is SHY to share their images?" and implying that they are trying to hide something? Just as a point of interest, DF, I've made *several* purchases from them now....and I've gotten hearts images on every ACA stone I've bought. That includes my e-ring, my 7-stone band, and my ACA pendant. I've also gotten H&A images on at least 4-5 other stones I had considered during those purchases. I ALSO viewed what must have been at least another 20 ACA stones through the H&A viewer during my trip to Houston. So I feel more than qualified to say that yes, I *have* seen an extensive number of their ACA hearts images, and to my amateur eye....yes, they DO all look like the image in this thread. they're selling H&A stones so why not post teh actual 'hearts' picture on their website? This has been asked and answered repeatedly....and I know it was done in English, so I'm at a loss as to where the comprehension problem is on this. If they only carried a scant inventory, it wouldn't likely be a problem, but since their inventory is quadruple what many others stock for H&A, it's a more expensive proposition. All of which would be fine if everyone required a hearts image to buy, but they *don't*. They sell H&A stones, and they provide those images to people who are potential buyers of the stones. Since many folks are fine buying those stones without those images, it would be a waste of time and MONEY to produce images that aren't required by the customer. If makes MUCH more economic sense to provide them upon request......and that's what they do. That's an economic decision that WF makes because it works for them. Economics aside, it also makes good customer service sense. There are only 24 hours in a day, and that's non-negotiable. Smart people spend them wisely....and that means it's more important to use valuable time producing things customers ASK for (and in a *timely* fashion) instead of squandering it producing things not needed. Now, those of you who want to see more images certainly can.....and if it's that important to you, put your money where your mouth is. Pony up *your* funds and *your* time to do it. Get a plane ticket to Houston and pay them a visit. They you could see a wide range of H&A images for yourself. It's "put up or shut up" time, boys. luckily for Toyota you're not one of the managers at their dealership.how do you know who's a POTENTIAL buyer or a tire kicker? you can read someones mind? Considering that I make my living in sales, DF, and do quite well at it, I'm very confident in my ability to ask questions that give me insight into whether or not someone is buying. Things like "When do you do plan to buy", "what is your budget", etc. It's not rocket science, it's smart business. so... you would say something like i'm sorry sir you can't test drive one of our cars b/c i know you ain't buying one!!! And there you go again exaggerating. I didn't say I would let someone test drive ONE of my cars.....what I said is that I wouldn't let someone demand to test drive EVERY Corolla on my lot just for the sake of satisfying someone's curiosity about repeatability of performance. _____________________ |
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