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P:  8/28/2005 3:43:13 PM  
JOEBIALEK
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One of the ambitious proposals put forth by former Vice-President Al Gore was the "re-invention" of government.   While the Clinton Administration may have made some progress towards promoting greater efficiency, the result was that government actually grew in size mainly because of bureaucratic self-perpetuation.   No one in the United States would disagree that the reduction of government waste should be given top priority.   However, before tackling such a problem, one must examine the root causes and not merely treat the symptoms.
 
When our founding fathers wrote the Constitution, they deliberately left out the "structural path" of elective office but were very clear on names of offices, branches of government, duties of elected officials etcetera.   However, what they failed to foresee was the need for elective offices to follow a required path.   For example, take the leader of the executive branch; if a person wants to be elected president of the United States, they must first serve as mayor of a city, commissioner of a county and then governor of a state.  The two-term limit (eight years) should also be extended to include these lower chief executives as well.  
 
The legislative branch should have a similar path.   If one wants to be elected United States senator, they must first serve as a U.S. congressperson from that state.   Before serving as a congressperson, they must serve as a councilperson of a city, representative of a state and then as a state senator.  The two-term limit should apply here as well. 
 
As for the judicial branch, a United States supreme court justice must serve as a municipal court judge of a city, common pleas court judge of a county, circuit court or district court judge of a state, appeals court judge and state supreme court judge.  The two-term limit would apply here also.
 
Furthermore, the education of these candidates to-be should entail the equivalent of earning a bachelors degree, masters degree and a doctorate in philosophy degree.   These degrees must be earned prior to running for elective office.   Besides providing a focused academic training it will promote a greater maturity in our candidates before they experience the rigors of their first elective office.   
 
Few could doubt that this path would provide good practical training for those seeking higher office while at the same time establishing a track record that voters could more easily analyze and understand.  The two-term limit would allow greater participation because the office would be wide open every eight years.   This would force the elected official to properly execute his/her duties and not be as influenced by the various special interest groups.
 
Government today is often seen as part of the problem rather than a solution to the problem.  Perhaps if the United States would consider a path of development for its "philosopher kings" public trust would return and something may actually get done.


 


Posted:  8/28/2005 3:43:13 PM

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P: 9/6/2005 9:18:26 PM
JOEBIALEK
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Posted:  9/6/2005 9:18:26 PM
P: 9/8/2005 8:09:50 AM
strmrdr
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Thanks for stating what is very very wrong with government today.
Public office was never meant to be a lifelong career.
You as far off as what was intended that I wonder what is being taught today.

It was meant for men of good character and reputation to step forward for short terms to lead the country then go back to their lives.

Most judges in the old days were not lawyers and most weren't even paid or if they were it was a small amount per case.
Now your saying huh?
They were respected people from the community that stepped forward to serve.

With todays big name colleges being liberal cesspools it should be the other way around that no one who attended one can hold elected office.

The real requirement should be that they lived paycheck to paycheck wondering where the money to fix something was coming from for at least 5 years.
Remove the silver spooners and make goverment once again for the people by the people.

........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K

Posted:  9/8/2005 8:09:50 AM
P: 9/8/2005 12:35:12 PM
Rank Amateur
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So career in politics, starting from the ground and working your way up makes you an efficient public servant??

I think not.

Maybe we need more engineers in politics and fewer lawyers.

Posted:  9/8/2005 12:35:12 PM
P: 9/16/2005 5:39:30 AM
MrBleeker
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Eww bad idea!! Talk about an even more elite crew running the show.  Anarchy would abound.

Grant

Posted:  9/16/2005 5:39:30 AM
P: 9/16/2005 7:01:35 AM
Bertrand
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Date: 9/8/2005 12:35:12 PM
Author: Rank Amateur
So career in politics, starting from the ground and working your way up makes you an efficient public servant??



I think not.



Maybe we need more engineers in politics and fewer lawyers.


Hmmmm ! I am an engineer - and recently elected politician in my little hometown. It is a lot of extra work, no pay, and very little appreciation.. and I did this why? Oh yeah - to make a difference where I could - to serve my community.

But something tells me 4 years will be enough!

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."

Posted:  9/16/2005 7:01:35 AM

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