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Should I get this rock? Advice please!

P: 8/3/2005 11:04:17 PM
kokoro Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 12/4/2005 Member Since: 7/20/2005	Hi all. I did find one stone I really liked and wanted everyone's advice on the value and the stone itself. With respect to the dealer, I was wondering what would you all think about this stone? Price wise? Cut wise? Shape - Round Brilliant Measurements - 7.83 - 7.92 x 4.69mm Weight - 1.73 carats Proportions Depth - 59.6% Table - 58% Girdle - Very Thin to Medium, Faceted Cutlet - none Finish - Polish - Excellent Symmetry - Excellent Clarity - VS2 Color Grade - F Fluorescence - None Comments - None Sarin report: AGS 1.73 ct. 1 diam. 7.89mm (7.83-7.93) depth 4.68mm 59.3% crown 32.9' 13.4% 1 pavil 41.2' 43.4% 0 table 4.60mm 58% 1 culet 0.7% very small 0 girdle 0.7thin-1.4medium 1% 0 What do you all think? There was one cloud in the off center of the diamond, looked like a little line w/ the 10X loupe. But that was it. Thank you and looking forward to your replies. With my budget of sub 20K, I wanted to get the nicest sparkle as opposed to size and other criteria. Hence, I assume it would be best to stick with a stone like this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Posted: 8/3/2005 11:04:17 PM

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P: 8/3/2005 11:09:54 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	hca says: Selected: 59.3% depth, 58% table, 32.9° crown angle, 41.2° pavilion angle The result is for a symmetrical diamond with a medium girdle and very good polish HCA scores were adjusted Dec. 15, 2001 and Feb. 6, 2003. Factor Grade Light Return Very Good Fire Excellent Scintillation Very Good Spread or diameter for weight Excellent Total Visual Performance 1.8 - Excellent within TIC rang ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 8/3/2005 11:09:54 PM

P: 8/3/2005 11:11:31 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Personaly I dont care for the low crown. They tend to have issues with poor off angle light return. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 8/3/2005 11:11:31 PM

P: 8/3/2005 11:24:23 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	The very thin girdle might also be a concern depending on how much of it is very thin. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 8/3/2005 11:24:23 PM

P: 8/3/2005 11:43:13 PM
kokoro Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 12/4/2005 Member Since: 7/20/2005	I was debating between this and another: Specs for the first: Shape - Round Brilliant Measurements - 7.83 - 7.92 x 4.69mm Weight - 1.73 carats Proportions Depth - 59.6% Table - 58% Girdle - Very Thin to Medium, Faceted Cutlet - none Finish - Polish - Excellent Symmetry - Excellent Clarity - VS2 Color Grade - F Fluorescence - None Comments - None Sarin report: AGS 1.73 ct. 1 diam. 7.89mm (7.83-7.93) depth 4.68mm 59.3% crown 32.9' 13.4% 1 pavil 41.2' 43.4% 0 table 4.60mm 58% 1 culet 0.7% very small 0 girdle 0.7thin-1.4medium 1% 0 Specs for the second: 7.78-7.82 x 4.77 1.75 carat 61.2% 57% thin to medicum, faceted cutlet- none polish - excellent symmetry - excellent VS2 F none - fluorescence comment - none sarin report: 7.8 (7.78-7.83) 34.4 14.6% crown height 41.2 pavil angle 43.6 depth 0.8 cutlet table size 57.1 total depth 61.3 girdle thick 0.7-1.4 proportion cut grade - 0 haven't seen this stone, but the GIA says there is an inclusion off center I know I'm being picky, but any advice would be greatly appreicated. Also, any advice on the pricing of these? Thanks again!
Posted: 8/3/2005 11:43:13 PM

P: 8/3/2005 11:47:51 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	No your not being picky. You are spending a lot of maoney and should make an informed decision there is nothing wrong with that. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 8/3/2005 11:47:51 PM

P: 8/3/2005 11:50:46 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	hca dont like the second one. The 41.2 degree pavilion is the problem there. Under an ideal-scope it would likely show some light leakage in the table area. Selected: 61.2% depth, 57% table, 34.4° crown angle, 41.2° pavilion angle The result is for a symmetrical diamond with a medium girdle and very good polish HCA scores were adjusted Dec. 15, 2001 and Feb. 6, 2003. Factor Grade Light Return Very Good Fire Good Scintillation Good Spread or diameter for weight Very Good Total Visual Performance 3.2 - Very Good - Worth buying if the price is right ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 8/3/2005 11:50:46 PM

P: 8/4/2005 12:03:40 AM
kokoro Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 12/4/2005 Member Since: 7/20/2005	hi, thanks for your reply! So i assume the first one is better? Since it's HCA in regards to visual performance is 1.8? thanks
Posted: 8/4/2005 12:03:40 AM

P: 8/4/2005 12:10:04 AM
kokoro Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 12/4/2005 Member Since: 7/20/2005	also, what do you think about the pricing of these? Similar prices? What would be a good price? thanks! As you can see, I'm stressing over this . . . sorry for my neurosis! THanks in advanced for the advice!
Posted: 8/4/2005 12:10:04 AM

P: 8/4/2005 12:17:12 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	You can use the pricescope search on the homepage or above here to find simular diamonds and pricing. I dont like to get into pricing issues much. If your buying from a b&m it might be slightly higher than the internet pricing. A local b&m has some advantages and you usualy pay for them. I wouldnt pay a large amount more but im ok with some premium. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 8/4/2005 12:17:12 AM

P: 8/4/2005 8:23:47 PM
Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,315 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004	Mike, the first one might be primo....Storm's given you some good advice. I see you're in NYC. How bout this. Get that one, bring it to GOG, compare it to this one, see if you feel the visual/cost difference is worth the stretch, pick the one you want. Regards, Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. ____________ If you're looking for diamond shopping tips...this (along with this update) might do the trick! however...caution: known to have been regarded as armed and dangerous
Posted: 8/4/2005 8:23:47 PM

P: 8/7/2005 7:59:49 AM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	Take a look at some diamonds first, IMO. Especially F-VS and G-SI1... because there is a 10 k difference there that you just might not be able to notice (see this and this). Of course, this might sound bad or not interesting at all, but you are in NYC and there must be plenty of opportunities to see what are those grades all about. I would not disagree with the number crunching above. Between the two stones is a matter of taste, IMO. Perhaps #2 'sounds' better by the numbers (both angles and lack of -very thin- girdle-although this may not be important after all) - but this only because there is need to choose just one Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 8/7/2005 7:59:49 AM

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