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| P: 7/27/2005 3:56:34 PM | |
Bev Cut Rock Total Posts: 123 Last Post: 8/30/2008 Member Since: 7/24/2005 |
Hi Guys, What are everyone's thoughts on a modern cushion vs. the square H&A that is selling over at GOG? Is the price difference significance? Thanks! Bev
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| Posted: 7/27/2005 3:56:34 PM | |
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| P: 7/27/2005 5:11:25 PM | |
moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004 |
The prices for the H&A aren't listed so I can't help you there. The modern cushions are significantly higher than cushions- it's like the cadillac of cushion cuts :) I personally would not do a H&A cushion b/c of their spread. I have a 2.13 E mod cushion and it has a 64.1 depth, 56 table...I beleive it measures 7.84X7.93? Or something very close to that. Try finding that size in the H&A cushion at 2.1 ct 
______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me. |
| Posted: 7/27/2005 5:11:25 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 5:36:37 PM | |
Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,865 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001 |
If you read any posts by mmm she has an inherant bias towards any cushions, squares or princess cuts that are cut to certain depth percentages. Even the new AGS "0" ideal cut princess cuts which are amongst some of the most brilliant square diamonds available (probably 2nd only to the square H&A's) mmm will also knock due to depth measurements alone.  Don't get me wrong I love mmm  but to knock or reject stones based on a depth measurment alone is a big mistake. The whole package must be considered. Depth is only a very small piece of the puzzle. The optics of the square H&A's blow away not only other squares but even most rounds for that matter.My advice would be to view both and let your eyes do the deciding. If interested we do provide both types. Rhino |
| Posted: 7/27/2005 5:36:37 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 5:56:43 PM | |
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moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004 |
I believe I said spread, not depth, right? Are you telling me that a 2.13 H&A cushion will be 7.84X7.94 and will look as big to the eye? ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me. |
| Posted: 7/27/2005 5:56:43 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 6:10:43 PM | |
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Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,865 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001 |
Date: 7/27/2005 5:56:43 PM Author: moremoremore I believe I said spread, not depth, right? Are you telling me that a 2.13 H&A cushion will be 7.84X7.94 and will look as big to the eye? While we do take depth into account many people including myself, when it comes to shapes other than rounds, consider optics as #1 priority. There is something to say for spready stones but if it comes at the expense of optics I'll take the slightly smaller looking stone (less than 1mm in the case of a 2ct) with the extreme brilliance, contrast and fire any day. I realize some people will take size over beauty/brilliance and we respect each individual preference which is why I advise to view both and let the eyes do the deciding. We show peeps these Square H&A's next to many other cuts, ones that are more spreadier too and the greater majority side with the appearance of the SqH&A's hands down. I have an appreciation for both and I don't encourage one over the other but if someone is looking for the rare optics of an H&A round within a square or cushion shape a traditional cushion or even a moder cushion doesn't do it. They are 2 different looking stones. Hope this post finds you well dear. Peace, Rhino |
| Posted: 7/27/2005 6:10:43 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 6:40:49 PM | |
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Bev Cut Rock Total Posts: 123 Last Post: 8/30/2008 Member Since: 7/24/2005 |
In general, do square H&A's price much higher than modern cushions?
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| Posted: 7/27/2005 6:40:49 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 6:41:52 PM | |
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Bev Cut Rock Total Posts: 123 Last Post: 8/30/2008 Member Since: 7/24/2005 |
MMM - Do you have a picture of your cushion?
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| Posted: 7/27/2005 6:41:52 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 6:59:15 PM | |
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Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,865 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001 |
Date: 7/27/2005 6:40:49 PM Author: Bev In general, do square H&A's price much higher than modern cushions? Hi Bev, In answer to your question: yes. Any diamonds that are cut with the precision to produce the contrast, brilliance, and fire that come with H&A optics will always be higher in value. When considering stones of this nature if you are after a certain *size* there are other compromises that can be made which are not noticeable with the eye and let you accomplish the goal at hand. For example getting a G color instead of an F or a VS2 instead of a VS1. While there are lines you want to draw regarding clarity and color, these metrics take a back seat to cut when it comes to diamond appearance. The cutting style and the angles to which the diamond is cut dictate the appearance. I'm not downplaying clarity, color or even size but facet structure will dictate the beauty at the end of the day. Rhino |
| Posted: 7/27/2005 6:59:15 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 7:04:07 PM | |
belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004 |
Date: 7/27/2005 6:59:15 PM Author: Rhino Date: 7/27/2005 6:40:49 PM Author: Bev In general, do square H&A's price much higher than modern cushions? Hi Bev, In answer to your question: yes. Any diamonds that are cut with the precision to produce the contrast, brilliance, and fire that come with H&A optics will always be higher in value. When considering stones of this nature if you are after a certain *size* there are other compromises that can be made which are not noticeable with the eye and let you accomplish the goal at hand. For example getting a G color instead of an F or a VS2 instead of a VS1. While there are lines you want to draw regarding clarity and color, these metrics take a back seat to cut when it comes to diamond appearance. The cutting style and the angles to which the diamond is cut dictate the appearance. I'm not downplaying clarity, color or even size but facet structure will dictate the beauty at the end of the day.  well said rhino!here is a pic of mmm's cushion  
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| Posted: 7/27/2005 7:04:07 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 7:39:56 PM | |
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moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004 |
I don't quite think facet structure is going to dictate beauty for me...as much as what look appeals to me! The interplay of optics and the general appearance of the stone to me plus the size... And sorry guys, size matters LOL... And in the case of the examples I posted, I'm sure .30-.40 mm is certainly not a small difference! I like a nice H&A but beauty to me can be found in the modern cushion! Dare I even say that "perfect H&As" are marketing to a certain extent (my opinion)....Every time i turn around there's a new fabulous cut that blows all the others away  ...And so my original statement was correct, no? They are going to look smaller and that's why *I* don't like them. Dig?  I'm not going to pay for a 2 ct stone when I can get the same spread from a smaller ct weight and cheaper mod cushion...plus, I adore the look! If someone loves the look of the squarre H&A well then, that's certainly a reason to buy one! Oh lord, thanks for posting that pic belle...of my huge man hands LOLOL J/K! 
______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me. |
| Posted: 7/27/2005 7:39:56 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 7:43:47 PM | |
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moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004 |
It's quite a stretch to say that a well cut modern cushion is a sacrifice of cut in any way. But then again, if someone doesn't like the look, that's another story :) It's certainly not the red headed step child of the square H&A cushion LMAO ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me. |
| Posted: 7/27/2005 7:43:47 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 7:45:23 PM | |
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moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004 |
And btw, I'm thinking of upgrading...and it might be round LOL Maybe a H&A if I get lucky :) ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me. |
| Posted: 7/27/2005 7:45:23 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 7:56:30 PM | |
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belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004 |
Date: 7/27/2005 7:39:56 PM i think facet structure will dictate what looks good to you, you just don't realize it. i'm not saying that you have to have a perfect h&a to get a beautiful stone, but it IS facet structure that is going to make or break a diamond in terms of beauty. of course beauty can be found in a modern cushion! we have proof of that!Author: moremoremore I don't quite think facet structure is going to dictate beauty for me...as much as what look appeals to me! The interplay of optics and the general appearance of the stone to me plus the size... And sorry guys, size matters LOL... And in the case of the examples I posted, I'm sure .30-.40 mm is certainly not a small difference! I like a nice H&A but beauty to me can be found in the modern cushion! Dare I even say that 'perfect H&As' are marketing to a certain extent (my opinion)....Every time i turn around there's a new fabulous cut that blows all the others away ...And so my original statement was correct, no? They are going to look smaller and that's why *I* don't like them. Dig? I'm not going to pay for a 2 ct stone when I can get the same spread from a smaller ct weight and cheaper mod cushion...plus, I adore the look! If someone loves the look of the squarre H&A well then, that's certainly a reason to buy one! Oh lord, thanks for posting that pic belle...of my huge man hands LOLOL J/K!  all of the pics of your ring are great, but the hand shot is the best!
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| Posted: 7/27/2005 7:56:30 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 8:01:09 PM | |
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moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004 |
I totally dig! Hey= where are the pix of the H&A cushion. It certainly *is* a beautiful stone...there have to be some in the smtr
______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me. |
| Posted: 7/27/2005 8:01:09 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 8:05:57 PM | |
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moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004 |
It *is* hideous without the H&A isn't it?  oes look a tad round though. That's my only beaf and the H&A is certainly more square which I like. ...... And I'm sure everyone is like OK, enough with the same stupid pix...we know you love your ring LOLOL  belle- we are still investigating the boulder  It's out of town on vacation. Table might be too small...and I would like another cushion if they are out there I think  Anyhoo...I'm sure whatever you decide Bev, you'll have a beautiful stone! I wouldn't kick either out of bed for eating crackers :)  ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me. |
| Posted: 7/27/2005 8:05:57 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 8:07:25 PM | |
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belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004 |
why am i saying 'i dig' all the time now? lolhere's a h&a cushion... 
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| Posted: 7/27/2005 8:07:25 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 8:34:46 PM | |
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Bev Cut Rock Total Posts: 123 Last Post: 8/30/2008 Member Since: 7/24/2005 |
Belle - what are the specs on that H&A? It's beautiful!
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| Posted: 7/27/2005 8:34:46 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 9:24:21 PM | |
jjaks Rough Rock Total Posts: 67 Last Post: 10/5/2005 Member Since: 6/3/2005 |
Bev - I recently purchased a SQH&H from Jonathan. I couldn't be happier. I should have my setting from Facets in the week and plan to post pictures when it is set... if I can improve my picture taking ability. Currently it doesn't do my diamond justice. But here's a picture anyways. It's a SQH&H .93 H VS1 and it really is beautiful despite the picture.
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| Posted: 7/27/2005 9:24:21 PM | |
| P: 7/27/2005 11:19:14 PM | |
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Bev Cut Rock Total Posts: 123 Last Post: 8/30/2008 Member Since: 7/24/2005 |
Burnban, Your stone is gorgeous! It looks more than .93. Can't wait to see it in the setting.
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| Posted: 7/27/2005 11:19:14 PM | |
| P: 7/28/2005 1:20:02 PM | |
Lions, Tigers & Bears Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,107 Last Post: 9/12/2005 Member Since: 10/18/2003 |
Personally, if you want a cushion, MMM's stone is cream of the crop--a true cushion with tons of sparkle and life, similar to an H&A RB IMO, but with the distinction of a cushion. The H&A cushion is confusing to me. Just get a H&A RB then. _____________________________________________ Don't breed or buy when homeless pets continue to die. |
| Posted: 7/28/2005 1:20:02 PM | |
| P: 7/28/2005 11:03:08 PM | |
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jjaks Rough Rock Total Posts: 67 Last Post: 10/5/2005 Member Since: 6/3/2005 |
Date: 7/27/2005 11:19:14 PM Author: Bev Burnban, Your stone is gorgeous! It looks more than .93. Can't wait to see it in the setting.
It looks smaller than a .93 round but it ROCKS!!!!!! That's what made the difference for me. I love mmm's ring. I'm partial to the cushion cut. I wanted a square that really performed. I might have found an exceptional cushion somewhere but didn't look any further once I found the SQH&A.
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| Posted: 7/28/2005 11:03:08 PM | |
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