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| P: 6/15/2005 8:20:44 PM | |
pad3006 Cut Rock Total Posts: 200 Last Post: 12/8/2006 Member Since: 9/23/2003 |
Could anyone tell me how much do yellow diamonds run for say an emerald cut, in the VVS to VS clarity in the 2 carat range? I have seen some in jewelry stores and all around here and they are so beautiful. But I know they are expensive. But they are so unique and so beautiful. I hope to get one some day b/c they are a real eye catcher thanks Phil
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| Posted: 6/15/2005 8:20:44 PM | |
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| P: 6/15/2005 8:32:08 PM | |
widget Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,254 Last Post: 12/20/2008 Member Since: 11/12/2004 |
David at Diamonds By Lauren could answer your question...they specialize in yellow diamonds. I believe that fancy colored Emerald Cuts are rarer and maybe more expensive because they do not enhance color the way cushions, radiants, etc. do, thereby requiring intenser colored rough. widget
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| Posted: 6/15/2005 8:32:08 PM | |
| P: 6/15/2005 9:02:01 PM | |
diamondsbylauren Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,128 Last Post: 1/5/2006 Member Since: 10/18/2003 |
thanks Widget! Nice doggie. I love dogs and that one looks so adorable- but also like it would take your head off if you treated it's master badly. A lovely companion for a walk in the woods! Phil- Widget hit the nail on the head about "Emerald Cut" yellows, per se. In general, you will see about 30 Radiant cuts to 1 emerald cut in a 1.00 size. The larger you go, Emerald Cuts are even Rarer. The same can be said about the deeper colors. In a Fancy Vivid Yellow, the ratio might be 100:1 So, calculating the price of yellow emerald cuts is far more diffcult than figuring out what's reasonable in a Yellow Radiant- which is quite a challenge in itself. SO, let's say we're talking about natural yellow radiant diamond with GIA reports. In general, clarity plays less of a role in Fancy Colors. A really strong colored Fancy Yellow SI1 can be worth substantially more than a FY VVS if the VVS stone just made the grade, color-wise. A 2.00carat eye clean Radiant, Graded Fancy Light Yellow, will cost you anywhere from $10,000 and up. The best Fancy Light Yellow Radiant 2.00 can easily go to $15,000 or more. The really deep colored stones are far more. Say a 2.00 Fancy Intense Yellow ( again GIA and eye clean)- which can range between $20,000- $35,000 If we are looking at Fancy Vivid Yellow, the range for a 2.00 stone will be $25,000 to...well the sky's the limit on Vivid stones. I hope this helps David |
| Posted: 6/15/2005 9:02:01 PM | |
| P: 6/15/2005 11:18:06 PM | |
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pad3006 Cut Rock Total Posts: 200 Last Post: 12/8/2006 Member Since: 9/23/2003 |
Hi Widget and David; Thanks very much for your responses. I figured yellow diamonds would be expensive, if i do decide to get one some day. I will not look for the emerald cut, I did not know it is more rare to find that cut in a yellow diamond. Thanks again take care Phil
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| Posted: 6/15/2005 11:18:06 PM | |
| P: 6/16/2005 12:57:53 AM | |
carrot Rough Rock Total Posts: 61 Last Post: 8/24/2005 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
There is a perfect solution for anyone looking for a fancy yellow diamond - and other colors as well. Go to: www.gemesis.com This company located in Sarasota, FL grows diamonds which apparently are exactly identical to mined diamonds. Well, there are two differences, Gemesis diamonds are grown above rather than under the ground and they are MUCH less expensive. If what I have read is true, they are not fakes, they are real diamonds and cannot be distinguished from mined diamonds. Beauty is in the cut of the holder! |
| Posted: 6/16/2005 12:57:53 AM | |
| P: 6/16/2005 1:17:50 AM | |
Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,224 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004 |
Date: 6/16/2005 12:57:53 AM i can buy one and send it to GIA for a cert? Author: carrot There is a perfect solution for anyone looking for a fancy yellow diamond - and other colors as well. Go to: www.gemesis.com This company located in Sarasota, FL grows diamonds which apparently are exactly identical to mined diamonds. Well, there are two differences, Gemesis diamonds are grown above rather than under the ground and they are MUCH less expensive. If what I have read is true, they are not fakes, they are real diamonds and cannot be distinguished from mined diamonds. 
it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone. |
| Posted: 6/16/2005 1:17:50 AM | |
| P: 6/16/2005 1:26:48 AM | |
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carrot Rough Rock Total Posts: 61 Last Post: 8/24/2005 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
It's my understanding that Gemesis inscribes the girdle. But if you could get one of their stones without the inscription, it would be an interesting experiment!
Beauty is in the cut of the holder! |
| Posted: 6/16/2005 1:26:48 AM | |
| P: 6/16/2005 1:59:54 AM | |
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Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,224 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004 |
Date: 6/16/2005 1:26:48 AM that's easy,just remove the inscribes before sending it to GIA.i just don't think it has any chance of fooling GIA.
Author: carrot It's my understanding that Gemesis inscribes the girdle. But if you could get one of their stones without the inscription, it would be an interesting experiment! it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone. |
| Posted: 6/16/2005 1:59:54 AM | |
| P: 6/16/2005 2:10:59 AM | |
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
lol DF yes GIA can tell them apart. But they spent a ton of money to make sure they could. But the point remains they are real diamonds. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 6/16/2005 2:10:59 AM | |
| P: 6/16/2005 6:40:20 AM | |
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perry Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,782 Last Post: 11/16/2009 Member Since: 9/19/2004 |
"Cultured" diamonds such as Gemeses and other manufactured diamonds can indeed be positively identified as manufactured diamonds; but only by the use of some very expensive equipment. No one can tell the difference, except perhaps by price, with any of the conventional techniques short of the expensive lab equipment. Of course, diamonds are a created market where the need to have a diamond is largly an immage issue. I am not convinced that the population will accept the concept that a diamond must be natural - and believe that eventually the manufactured diamonds will end up controlling general diamond pricing. All it takes is for some of the other companies to get their technology up to speed to where they can kick out routine quantities of gem quality stones. Gemesis focuses on "yellow" diamonds because it cost them almost twice as much to make whiter diamonds (twice as much time in the "oven" - and production time is the biggest cost factor now that the machines are set up). Or to put it a better way, Gemesis can make the most money with the least effort by working in the "fancy yellow" diamond market. The Apolo process has the potentiall to flood the market with relatively clear (D-G) diamonds in large quantities when they get to the point of being able to control the process reliably. Perry
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| Posted: 6/16/2005 6:40:20 AM | |
| P: 6/17/2005 12:08:29 AM | |
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pad3006 Cut Rock Total Posts: 200 Last Post: 12/8/2006 Member Since: 9/23/2003 |
wow that is so cool I didnt know of any places like that that sell manufactured diamonds. I went to Erwin Pearl one time in NYC and got my GF some 'yellow diamond' stud earrings there, they are very pretty, but of course they are costume jewelry, that is orginally what got my attention about yellow diamonds, thanks for the info about them
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| Posted: 6/17/2005 12:08:29 AM | |
| P: 6/17/2005 12:36:52 PM | |
mepearl53 Cut Rock Total Posts: 354 Last Post: 10/4/2007 Member Since: 4/14/2004 |
Out of curiosity how do you all feel about synthetic diamonds?
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| Posted: 6/17/2005 12:36:52 PM | |
| P: 6/17/2005 1:07:25 PM | |
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widget Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,254 Last Post: 12/20/2008 Member Since: 11/12/2004 |
Date: 6/17/2005 12:36:52 PM Author: mepearl53 Out of curiosity how do you all feel about synthetic diamonds? I'm not interested. I'd rather choose between an out-and-out fake, (CZ, or whatever) and the real McCoy. I don't think the mystique of treasures from the earth will ever be replaced by synthetics. They've been "growing" rubies and sapphires for years and years, and still natural stones are what most of us dream about... widget
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| Posted: 6/17/2005 1:07:25 PM | |
| P: 6/17/2005 1:46:04 PM | |
movie zombie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,216 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 1/20/2005 |
Date: 6/17/2005 12:36:52 PM Author: mepearl53 Out of curiosity how do you all feel about synthetic diamonds? synthetic or created? synthetic, no way. created with the same molecular/chemical structure? probably, especially for one of the big yellows. but in all honestly, i'd also check out the 'real deal' in the 'lower' diamond color like the U, V, W, X, Y, Z range. it would not bother me to tell someone my diamond was 'created' but i'd certainly make sure they understood the difference between 'created' and a CZ, etc. originally i came to pricescope doing diamond research, incluidng created diamonds. it looks like created diamonds haven not quite gotten there yet but i think they will and when they do, there will be a market for them. look at how many pricescopers have backup rings for when they travel not to mention the number of people that still go to b&m's to get their rings. then there are the people that don't want to support 'blood' diamonds. and there are lots of people that just can't justify paying $25K for a gem even if they can afford it. yes, i think there is a definite market for created diamonds! peace, movie zombie "I don't feel enjoyment watching films that evoke passivity. If you need that kind of comfort, I don't understand why you wouldn't go to a spa." Chan-wook Park |
| Posted: 6/17/2005 1:46:04 PM | |
| P: 6/17/2005 2:23:15 PM | |
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mepearl53 Cut Rock Total Posts: 354 Last Post: 10/4/2007 Member Since: 4/14/2004 |
White synthetics will be here soon and as prices come down, because of supply, they will make a nice alternative to CZ and Moissanite. When the lab created colored stones came out it scared many jewelers and customers but the real stones are the best sellers still. I think the exciting thing about synthetic diamond is the applications for technology and industry. How about a knife you never have to sharpen again!
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| Posted: 6/17/2005 2:23:15 PM | |
| P: 6/17/2005 8:20:14 PM | |
Richard Sherwood Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/25/2002 |
Date: 6/16/2005 12:57:53 AM Author: carrot This company located in Sarasota, FL grows diamonds which apparently are exactly identical to mined diamonds. Well, there are two differences, Gemesis diamonds are grown above rather than under the ground and they are MUCH less expensive. If what I have read is true, they are not fakes, they are real diamonds and cannot be distinguished from mined diamonds. Actually, there are several indicators which distinguish HPHT synthetics from natural diamonds. Rich, Independent GG Appraiser |
| Posted: 6/17/2005 8:20:14 PM | |
| P: 6/17/2005 8:31:47 PM | |
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Richard Sherwood Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/25/2002 |
Date: 6/16/2005 6:40:20 AM Author: perry 'Cultured' diamonds such as Gemeses and other manufactured diamonds can indeed be positively identified as manufactured diamonds; but only by the use of some very expensive equipment. No one can tell the difference, except perhaps by price, with any of the conventional techniques short of the expensive lab equipment. Perry A gemologist who is trained in how to spot HPHT synthetics can usually spot the majority using conventional techniques with traditional equipment. Probably in the neighborhood of 8 out of 10 HPHT synthetics will have obvious characteristics indicating their origin. The other 2 out of 10 are usually suspicious enough that a savvy gemologist would send them to a lab with advanced equipment for positive confirmation. The notion that these diamonds are "indistinguishable from naturals without very expensive equipment" is largely put forth by the manufacturer, and is not supported by gemological research. HPHT color enhancement of natural diamonds is another matter. It IS much more difficult to spot, and often requires advanced equipment. Rich, Independent GG Appraiser |
| Posted: 6/17/2005 8:31:47 PM | |
| P: 6/19/2005 2:50:48 PM | |
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carrot Rough Rock Total Posts: 61 Last Post: 8/24/2005 Member Since: 6/8/2005 |
Richard Sherwood - Other than knowing that the diamonds were grown in a lab rather than in the ground, what are the differences that would be of significance to the end consumer? Do the synthetic diamonds have a different refractive index or are they more susceptible to chipping or is their light return potential dimished or are they harder to polish or do they have some other negative characteristic? Are there any ways in which they are they inferior to mined diamonds? A broader way to ask the question might be, "Is the difference between synthetic and mined diamonds physical or psychological?" Beauty is in the cut of the holder! |
| Posted: 6/19/2005 2:50:48 PM | |
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