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| P: 5/18/2005 2:24:03 PM | |
TheDoctorWu Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 6/7/2005 Member Since: 5/18/2005 |
hey I'm new to all this but i'm looking to get myself (or rather my gf) an emerald cut engagment ring. I have roughly about 11,000 to spend and want to get the best quality diamond.. locally there havent been much options- I've been offered a couple of G color, VVS1, 1.55 carat diamonds but from the net it looks that I can get a better deal. I need help- too many options out there.. Size isnt the most important to me-> I would prefer a VV2 F color diamond. any suggestions. and what's this with table and girdle and etc- polish and symmetry-> do those add a lot. Help Frustrated in Seattle |
| Posted: 5/18/2005 2:24:03 PM | |
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| P: 5/18/2005 3:48:38 PM | |
AChiOAlumna Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,678 Last Post: 2/24/2007 Member Since: 3/11/2005 |
I would start with the links above on fancy shapes and recommended guidelines on better Emerald Cuts. This is where I started and found a wonderful EC after some searching for my ring! Cut is definitely important (this is your depth and table and girdle) as too big a table could result in the diamond looking glassy. Too much depth can result in the EC looking smaller than it really is. Too thin or thick a girdle could result in chipping and poor sparkle. There are a lot of variables. Ultimately, you have to actually look at the diamond and not solely depend on the numbers. If you do a search on this board, you'll also find MUCH more information... Good luck!
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 3:48:38 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 5:10:52 PM | |
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TheDoctorWu Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 6/7/2005 Member Since: 5/18/2005 |
Price:$10894.35 Laboratory:GIA Carat Weight:1.61 Color:F (Colorless) End of color range in colorless category. Clarity:VVS1 (Very Very Slightly Included) Usually tiny inclusions. Shape:Emerald Depth:66.4 Table:65.00 Polish:E Symmetry:E Culet: Girdle:- Fluorescence:N Measurements:8.18 * 5.78 * 3.84 So my research has yielded this stone- which seems to be a good one I think can anyone comment? I contacted ERD and tey told me that it was laser inscribed so they could not comment on the girdle-> does that sounds right? Good deal? Good stone? Likely going to have my sisters in NYC go see it then ship it out here to be appraised and etc Chris in other news AMEX did approve my requested increase in credit to 12,000- want to charge the sucker so A) I have some protecction and B) I get a whole ton of points..
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 5:10:52 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 5:14:57 PM | |
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AChiOAlumna Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,678 Last Post: 2/24/2007 Member Since: 3/11/2005 |
The numbers are actually promising...but that information about the girdle sounds funny to me. They should still be able to ascertain the thickness on the girdle. You'll also want to get information about the crown height via a Sarin Report. Anything over 10% will be good. Can you get pictures from ERD? Are you going to have it shipped directly to an appraiser for viewing? Or are you buying it outright?
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 5:14:57 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 5:29:05 PM | |
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,318 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004 |
Date: 5/18/2005 5:10:52 PM Author: TheDoctorWu Price:$10894.35 Laboratory:GIA Carat Weight:1.61 Color:F (Colorless) End of color range in colorless category. Clarity:VVS1 (Very Very Slightly Included) Usually tiny inclusions. Shape:Emerald Depth:66.4 Table:65.00 Polish:E Symmetry:E Culet: Girdle:- Fluorescence:N Measurements:8.18 * 5.78 * 3.84 So my research has yielded this stone- which seems to be a good one I think can anyone comment? I contacted ERD and tey told me that it was laser inscribed so they could not comment on the girdle-> does that sounds right? Good deal? Good stone? Likely going to have my sisters in NYC go see it then ship it out here to be appraised and etc Chris in other news AMEX did approve my requested increase in credit to 12,000- want to charge the sucker so A) I have some protecction and B) I get a whole ton of points.. This looks like a potentially lovely stone. Mark at ERD can eyeball the EC for you and give you his expert opinion. He is very trustworthy. He may also be able to help you find some other ECs that fall into the excellent cut category. Even though your budget is very generous, I still would not go for a vvs stone. A vs1 or vs2 would yeild a larger looking EC for the same price. I know that you prefer a vvs, however, it is quite difficult to find the inclusions with the naked eye in a vs1 EC.
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 5:29:05 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 5:39:37 PM | |
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TheDoctorWu Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 6/7/2005 Member Since: 5/18/2005 |
So Mark Called me back and told me the girlde was medium So VVS1 would be overkill potentially? What are the less desirable qualities of this stone? I'm going to have my sisters take a look at it and then have it shipped to an appraiser's here for me to see
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 5:39:37 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 5:50:43 PM | |
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Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,318 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004 |
Date: 5/18/2005 5:39:37 PM A medium girdle is perfect. It isn't "hiding" too much weight and will not be as prone to chipping.Author: TheDoctorWu So Mark Called me back and told me the girlde was medium So VVS1 would be overkill potentially? What are the less desirable qualities of this stone? I'm going to have my sisters take a look at it and then have it shipped to an appraiser's here for me to see Yes, a vvs1 and vvs2 is overkill. Vs1 is very safe and even most vs2's are very eye clean. Again, Mark from ERD can eyeball this for you if you ask him to. My definition of eyeclean is very different from the trade. I don't want to see anything in my EC from ALL angles (top, side and bottom) and from 3 inches away so I bought a vs1. For others, a vs2 or even a SI1 is fine. It all depends on your tolerance for inclusions. So, even if you are super picky, a vs1 is sufficient. There is nothing else that could be undesireable in the EC you are looking at. A Sarin to get the crown height will be helpful. You would aim for a crown height of 10% and upwards. What is Mark's opinion of the EC? It is always best to view the EC in person after narrowing your search by using the cut chart. You want to view it outdoors (in the shade and in the sunlight) and indoors (fluorescent lights, not halogen). You want to tilt it from side to side and observe the play of light.
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 5:50:43 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 6:12:59 PM | |
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TheDoctorWu Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 6/7/2005 Member Since: 5/18/2005 |
Thanks for all your help... how about the price? good price, fair price, overpriced? mark hasnt seen the stone yet- tomorrow he will... still waiting on the gia certificate to be emailed..
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 6:12:59 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 6:19:26 PM | |
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AChiOAlumna Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,678 Last Post: 2/24/2007 Member Since: 3/11/2005 |
Date: 5/18/2005 5:50:43 PM Author: Chrono Yes, a vvs1 and vvs2 is overkill. Vs1 is very safe and even most vs2's are very eye clean. Again, Mark from ERD can eyeball this for you if you ask him to. My definition of eyeclean is very different from the trade. I don't want to see anything in my EC from ALL angles (top, side and bottom) and from 3 inches away so I bought a vs1. For others, a vs2 or even a SI1 is fine. It all depends on your tolerance for inclusions. So, even if you are super picky, a vs1 is sufficient. I agree with Chrono on this totally! My EC is a VS1 and the inclusions cannot be seen at all with the naked eye. Even with a 10x loupe, it's still hard to see the inclusions as they are all away from the table and more to the sides.
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 6:19:26 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 6:21:26 PM | |
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Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,318 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004 |
This a 1.61ct F VVS1 going for just under $11K, right? I looked for other ECs with similar stats using the PS search function and it looks like you are getting a pretty good price for this EC. Still, it doesn't hurt to try to negotiate a lower price.
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 6:21:26 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 6:23:21 PM | |
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TheDoctorWu Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 6/7/2005 Member Since: 5/18/2005 |
Thanks Chrono.. appreciate your advice- I've been reading pricescope all day- saw your research into your own EC. What are some important questions to be asking Mark after he views the diamond tomorrow?
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 6:23:21 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 6:37:34 PM | |
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Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,318 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004 |
See if Mark can run a Sarin on the EC. It is always good to double check the stats and get the crown height. You probably don't need to care about the inclusions since it is a vvs1. Ask Mark about the light performance of the EC. He has probably seen quite a lot of ECs and should be able to tell you if it is one of the best few he has seen, or is just average or not so good. He is very knowledgeable and can answer all your questions and more. Is ERD setting your ring?
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 6:37:34 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 6:41:29 PM | |
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TheDoctorWu Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 6/7/2005 Member Since: 5/18/2005 |
thanks chrono... I dont know about ERd setting the ring.. havent thought about it would love to see the diamond and get it appraised before i think mark says he hasnt seen a lot of ex ex ecs in his time
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 6:41:29 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 6:50:00 PM | |
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Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,318 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004 |
An excellent idea to get the EC appraised.  However, you have to let the appraiser know that not only do you want him/her to confirm that the EC matches the GIA cert, you also want him/her to give his or her opinion about the stone's performance. Most will not do this at all unless specifically asked because it is quite subjective. For the casual consumer, this opinion is very helpful because we haven't seen enough diamonds to know what looks gorgeous, average or poor. Even a poorly cut diamond looks good to our eyes because we have never seen drop dead gorgeous diamonds before. You arre certainly doing the right thing. When you do get to look at this EC yourself, don't forget to check it out under various lighting. 
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 6:50:00 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 6:51:43 PM | |
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TheDoctorWu Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 6/7/2005 Member Since: 5/18/2005 |
thanks any idea for a good setting she likes a solataire, kind of a thicker band i dont think she's crazy about cathedral settings oh and platinum
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 6:51:43 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 6:58:18 PM | |
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Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,318 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004 |
Would she like the traditional North-South setting or a more contemporary East-West setting? Something low set? Plain basket? X-prong? Double X-prong? I'm leaving for dinner now but I'll be back tomorrow with pictures (or perhaps someone else will beat me to it).
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 6:58:18 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 7:01:02 PM | |
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TheDoctorWu Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 6/7/2005 Member Since: 5/18/2005 |
North Soth.. I think the rest I dont really know. Thanks Chrono!
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 7:01:02 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 9:46:55 PM | |
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Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,318 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004 |
I thought this might fit the bill: It is a solitaire with a thicker band in PT. It is a Jeff Cooper design R2990 
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 9:46:55 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 10:59:01 PM | |
Demelza Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,850 Last Post: 12/12/2008 Member Since: 1/18/2004 |
Hi Dr wu, I see that you live in Seattle. I purchased my emerald cut through an amazing graduate gemologist in Bellingham who has a salon style business (no inventory -- you tell her what you want and she searches for you). She charges only 10% over cost plus tax. Don't know if something like that appeals to you, but I thought I would bring it up in case it does. Her prices are comparable to internet prices and you get her expertise in choosing which diamonds to bring in to look at. Someone else on Pricescope purchased his emerald cut through her as well. PM or email me if you'd like her name and number. Good luck!!
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 10:59:01 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 11:05:46 PM | |
Jodi Rough Rock Total Posts: 22 Last Post: 7/12/2005 Member Since: 2/6/2005 |
I just got an upgrade on my wedding ring and love it - I had a rectangular emerald for a long while and now I have a larger carat square emerald. After being married for so many years, my opinion to all prospective fiances is to please buy your woman the largest and prettiest stone you can - stick within the G-H color and VS1 or VS2 clarity range. If you go any lower in color/clarity, you will notice it with emeralds. But if you go much higher in color/clarity, you won't see much difference at all. Honestly, in the 1 to 2 carat range, I think that as long as the pinpoint flaws aren't right in the middle of the stone, most of the time, you don't even see them. I personally see no point in spending more money for a smaller D-F VVS1 or VVS2, when you could get a much larger stone for the price if you go for an G or H VS1 or VS2. To me, anything over a G is just degrees of whiteness...and at that point, they are all just incredibly beautiful diamonds that, within a platinum setting, I couldn't tell a D from a G ever! Just an opinion! Good luck in finding the perfect emerald cut for your girl!
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 11:05:46 PM | |
| P: 5/18/2005 11:54:31 PM | |
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004 |
WHAT ABOUT THIS? I BOUGHT A LARGE D VS2 AND I COULD NOT BE MORE PLEASED. I USED TO HAVE A VVS AND ITS JUST OVERKILL......
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| Posted: 5/18/2005 11:54:31 PM | |
| P: 5/19/2005 1:59:53 PM | |
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TheDoctorWu Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 6/7/2005 Member Since: 5/18/2005 |
Thanks for all your help everyone! Chrono that looks like a great setting- I'll have to consider it. Mark says that he has never seen as beautiful an emerald cut as this in his life. Windowshopper I'll take a look at that ring also... wonder how much it is... Demelza I'll PM you for that number! Anyway thanks! Chris
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| Posted: 5/19/2005 1:59:53 PM | |
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