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J color in a platinum setting

P: 5/6/2005 3:13:30 PM
badger.packer.fan Rough Rock Total Posts: 30 Last Post: 5/31/2005 Member Since: 4/13/2005	Would anyone recommend this? Would one be able to see the body color of this? I hear in yellow gold it'd be pretty hard, but I don't know about platinum. Any thoughts? Thanks.
Posted: 5/6/2005 3:13:30 PM

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P: 5/6/2005 3:19:34 PM
fountainfairfax Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,180 Last Post: 7/10/2006 Member Since: 2/4/2005	here's a thread discussing just that.... http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=12290&forumID=3&catID=&search=1&searchstring= and I believe there are many more similar discussions in the archives here. call me a brave (or stupid) soul- when the time comes my M colored omc is going in platinum. My appraiser said that it faced up so nice I should stop telling people its an M
Posted: 5/6/2005 3:19:34 PM

P: 5/6/2005 3:56:01 PM
bluedawg Cut Rock Total Posts: 485 Last Post: 6/25/2005 Member Since: 3/7/2005	I have an inherited K pear brilliant that I plan to place into a platinum setting. As the thread referenced above should tell you, a J will likely look just lovely in platinum. Many older diamond rings (estate pieces, for example) are warmer colored diamonds set in white metals. I recently read a few jewelers' opinions that yellow gold enhances the yellow and brings it out more... and platinum helps the color appear whiter.
Posted: 5/6/2005 3:56:01 PM

P: 5/6/2005 4:21:03 PM
icemyster Cut Rock Total Posts: 111 Last Post: 10/6/2008 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Believe it or not..we recently set a 1.87 L VS2 in white gold...it was a perfect H&A, and the stone looked amazing!!!!!!! I have to admit that I could not believe it. The cut made the stone so brilliant that it looked great in the white gold. Othewise, I have seen many ideal H&A cuts, I and J color in white gold or platinum and they look teriffic. BMW The Ultimate Driving Machine
Posted: 5/6/2005 4:21:03 PM

P: 5/6/2005 4:27:08 PM
badger.packer.fan Rough Rock Total Posts: 30 Last Post: 5/31/2005 Member Since: 4/13/2005	I forgot to mention that the setting contains pave set diamonds which are F-G color. Does that make a difference?
Posted: 5/6/2005 4:27:08 PM

P: 5/6/2005 4:32:17 PM
mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,856 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005	nope, those diamonds are so small you won't be able to tell. I think Mara's are F-G maybe H in her bands and she says she cannot see a difference at all. ----------------------------- A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.
Posted: 5/6/2005 4:32:17 PM

P: 5/6/2005 4:32:39 PM
KrWz Rough Rock Total Posts: 53 Last Post: 7/2/2005 Member Since: 4/27/2005	hmm i'm curious too now that you mentioned the pave diamonds are e-f. I've got have an E color being set into platinum with G pave and the jeweler mentioned that with the brilliance of both the pave and the center stone that the color won't be noticable even if the pave diamonds were further down on the color scale.
Posted: 5/6/2005 4:32:39 PM

P: 5/6/2005 4:35:26 PM
fountainfairfax Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,180 Last Post: 7/10/2006 Member Since: 2/4/2005	I've decided to stick w/ a solitaire or a setting w/sapphires because I figured my M would look weird w/higher-colored pave set stones & I do wonder what the future holds for getting a pave set wedding band..... I'm curious to see what others here think!
Posted: 5/6/2005 4:35:26 PM

P: 5/6/2005 4:47:40 PM
mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,856 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005	ff - here's a pic of an antique O color ring from fay cullen. A lot of old stones are set in gorgeous settings with pave and other detail work and look great. my grandmother had an M 2 carat OEC set in plat. and diamonds and wore a diamond wedding band and the M color never stuck out. it was stunning. those who are sensitive to color may have seen it in the stone but i think they would have seen it with or without pave or other small accent stones. ----------------------------- A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.
Posted: 5/6/2005 4:47:40 PM

P: 5/6/2005 5:05:01 PM
fountainfairfax Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,180 Last Post: 7/10/2006 Member Since: 2/4/2005	Mrssalvo- Thanks for that Fay Cullen example! Every time I see one of those vintage beauties on-line I think "hey, it really could work!" Although I love classic solitaires, my heart really is with vintage styles with mele or pave set stones.....decisions, decisions
Posted: 5/6/2005 5:05:01 PM

P: 5/6/2005 7:46:23 PM
icekid Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,554 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 11/17/2004	i'm getting a J and it's going in platinum. however, my J stone is an ideal cut round brilliant which are known to hude color very well! if you're going with a fancy shape, it will most likely show more color. but- i still think it would be fine! you've been given some fine examples here
Posted: 5/6/2005 7:46:23 PM

P: 5/6/2005 8:02:52 PM
Diachi Cut Rock Total Posts: 175 Last Post: 9/4/2006 Member Since: 4/24/2005	Date: 5/6/2005 4:32:17 PM Author: mrssalvo nope, those diamonds are so small you won't be able to tell.  I think Mara's are F-G maybe H in her bands and she says she cannot see a difference at all.  I am a very color-sensitive person and disagree that you can't tell-I have seen a few rings with lower center stones and higher pave/sidestones and the color difference was SO obvious to me. Of course, the "average" person probably won't notice but it would bother me...
Posted: 5/6/2005 8:02:52 PM

P: 5/6/2005 9:01:37 PM
Ducky Rough Rock Total Posts: 22 Last Post: 5/23/2006 Member Since: 2/27/2005	I agree with Diachi. I once bought an I-J colored solitaire which was set in 14K yellow gold. The stone seemed white enough in the store but it looked quite yellow as soon as I went outside. I was never happy with the tinge so I eventually sold the ring. However, if you get an ideal cut, Hearts and Arrows cut or anything similar, the stones will less likely be yellow in the same color range. I went to look at a whole bunch of I colored stones in Tiffany's and they all looked really white. The cut makes all the difference in the world.
Posted: 5/6/2005 9:01:37 PM

P: 5/6/2005 9:08:51 PM
jellybean Ideal Rock Total Posts: 624 Last Post: 10/7/2005 Member Since: 2/16/2005	I just got my round ideal cut 0.72ct J in a 4 prong platinum tiffany setting today! I wear it next to my F/G round ideal cut eternity band. I can see some difference in color b/c they are next to each other but it doesn't bother me. The J solitaire is so sparkly and full of fire that it outweighs any color difference to me. I should add the diamonds in the eternity band are very sparkly too! I should also add that I do see a slight tinge of color it I hold the solitaire up and look straight at it from the side. But no one else will be doing that to my ring! (I hope!)
Posted: 5/6/2005 9:08:51 PM

P: 5/6/2005 9:28:00 PM
mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,856 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005	Date: 5/6/2005 82:52 PM Author: Diachi Date: 5/6/2005 4:32:17 PM Author: mrssalvo nope, those diamonds are so small you won't be able to tell. I think Mara's are F-G maybe H in her bands and she says she cannot see a difference at all. I am a very color-sensitive person and disagree that you can't tell-I have seen a few rings with lower center stones and higher pave/sidestones and the color difference was SO obvious to me. Of course, the 'average' person probably won't notice but it would bother me... I agree people sensitive to color may see it while others may not but i believe you would see color in the larger stone with or without the pave sides. As the sidestones get larger or if wearing an eternity band like Jellybean the color difference will probably become more apparant to the naked eye. With pave only I believe most people wouldn't be able to see a difference. You should check out some rings out in person to see how sensitive your eyes are to color. Just my very humble opinion ----------------------------- A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.
Posted: 5/6/2005 9:28:00 PM

P: 5/6/2005 11:12:28 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,898 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	there are going to be people who have superman eyes, but the general public, 99% of them out there, will not notice a difference in a big J stone and tiny F/G melee. the melee in my rings are E/F/G and my big stone is a J. there is NO DIFFERENCE...no one can see it. the melee are so tiny, and my stone is well cut...and with small melee such as mine (.02 and .03) all you see is sparkle, there's no color visible. i was just out in the park with the dog and ran into a couple we know and asked to see her ring ( i have been dying to ask for a while), they just got married. her stone was exceptionally well cut, the hubby did his homework , i could see clear arrows, so i told them that their stone was very well cut (hubby was beaming). anyway, he was saying their stone was an SI and I said mine was too and then he said...'oh i think we could have gone down in color' (I think it was an F) and he goes, 'maybe something like a G but I could not have gone H, it was not good for platinum'.....so I took huge pleasure in saying...'well mine is a J'..and they both EXCLAIMED that there was no way they could have called that one and that it looked so white! so in general people cannot tell color differences between well-cut stones and melee, but yes there will be the odd random person who can see color differences in something as tiny as melee. edited to add...want to see TONS of J stones in platinum? check this out: http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=24731 . love that thread. ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 5/6/2005 11:12:28 PM

P: 5/7/2005 1:42:19 PM
laughinggravy Cut Rock Total Posts: 164 Last Post: 11/5/2006 Member Since: 8/21/2003	I'm quite colour sensitive, unfortunately, and completely unable to make out inclusions in anything other than step cuts, fortunately. But I think the melee would have to be quite a few grades down before it became noticable to me. I have an OEC in a white gold fine bezel. It's a 1.20c and a J. You can see a tint, but it's busy being sparkly and flashy that the tint really doesn't bug me... personally. It's not as if you're seeing tint in an object that is flat and dead. There's so much other stuff going on, if you've got a nice make. Abi
Posted: 5/7/2005 1:42:19 PM

P: 5/7/2005 6:12:26 PM
Diachi Cut Rock Total Posts: 175 Last Post: 9/4/2006 Member Since: 4/24/2005	Date: 5/6/2005 9:280 PM Author: mrssalvo Date: 5/6/2005 82:52 PM Author: Diachi Date: 5/6/2005 4:32:17 PM Author: mrssalvo nope, those diamonds are so small you won't be able to tell.  I think Mara's are F-G maybe H in her bands and she says she cannot see a difference at all.  I am a very color-sensitive person and disagree that you can't tell-I have seen a few rings with lower center stones and higher pave/sidestones and the color difference was SO obvious to me. Of course, the 'average' person probably won't notice but it would bother me... I agree people sensitive to color may see it while others may not but i believe you would see color in the larger stone with or without the pave sides. As the sidestones get larger or if wearing an eternity band like Jellybean the color difference will probably become more apparant to the naked eye.  With pave only I believe most people wouldn't be able to see a difference.  You should check out some rings out in person to see how sensitive your eyes are to color.  Just my very humble opinion I agree that color (as well as clarity) can be easier to see in larger stones with or without other diamonds to compare too, and the rings I referred to were seen in person so I know that I CAN see a noticible difference-but I admit I couldn't tell you the color grade I was seeing, just that there was a difference I didn't like-the stones I noticed turned out to be 2 H's, and 1 J but I'm not sure of their cuts so was probably part of it too...
Posted: 5/7/2005 6:12:26 PM

P: 5/7/2005 7:23:31 PM
mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,856 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005	Diachi - what sizes were the stones you were looking at? Were you looking at a 3 stone ring? ----------------------------- A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.
Posted: 5/7/2005 7:23:31 PM

P: 5/9/2005 1:00:28 PM
badger.packer.fan Rough Rock Total Posts: 30 Last Post: 5/31/2005 Member Since: 4/13/2005	So is it accurate to say that a well cut J color diamond will face up white because of the amount of light returned and that viewing it from the side, no matter how well cut, it will still have some color?
Posted: 5/9/2005 1:00:28 PM

P: 5/9/2005 1:38:55 PM
moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004	Yesm you will absolutely be able to see the color from the side...and unfortunately, to my eyes...that's my eyes, no matter how well cut, I would clearly be able to see the color face up in a J...but that's just me and that's why I sacrifice size for color...there is something to be said about size though ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me.
Posted: 5/9/2005 1:38:55 PM

P: 5/9/2005 1:51:18 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,898 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	yes even in a J diamond with fluor you will see some color from the side... but again, when you say 'color' it's not like a bright beaming yellow, it's a very faint 'off' tinge...so it's very subtle IMO. also in a smaller stone it would be less visible. ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 5/9/2005 1:51:18 PM

P: 5/9/2005 1:53:47 PM
Diachi Cut Rock Total Posts: 175 Last Post: 9/4/2006 Member Since: 4/24/2005	Date: 5/7/2005 7:23:31 PM Author: mrssalvo Diachi - what sizes were the stones you were looking at?  Were you looking at a 3 stone ring?  the stones were approx: 1.10, 1.4, and 2.0. All had side stones (one was channel, one was baguettes, can't remember the third) but not 3 stone rings...It was a couple of months ago and only used as an example by a jewelery to prove her point that "You won't be able to tell" and I did (needless to say, we didn't use that jeweler!)...She put 6 rings down on a blue backround (velvet) and then had us look at each one...I could "see" the color right away but like I said, I have NO clue on the cuts so that was part of it too. She was not amused that the three I picked (I didn't know that it was 3:6) were the lower-colored stones.
Posted: 5/9/2005 1:53:47 PM

P: 5/9/2005 2:17:52 PM
moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004	and she even cheated by not using a white backround! ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me.
Posted: 5/9/2005 2:17:52 PM

P: 5/9/2005 2:20:56 PM
mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,856 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005	those were large stones you were looking at. i think most people would see color when comparing stones next to each other that are bigger. when i mention not being able to tell a color difference with pave- i mean stones that are .02 or even smaller. like mara said above - most people cannot tell a difference in tiny melee because you can't really see color, only sparkle. this is a great example of how seeing rings/stones in person can really make a difference some don't notice a thing while others can see a difference right away. there are also those who can see color in a loose stone but not once it's set. i'll make sure i clarify that better next time someone asks. it would drive me nuts to have sidestones that didn't match my center if i could see any difference at all which is why i have a solitaire for now anyway ----------------------------- A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.
Posted: 5/9/2005 2:20:56 PM

P: 5/9/2005 2:59:41 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,898 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	re melee...when i say pave or melee as mrssalvo notes, i mean small stones. aka mine are .02 and .03 and there is NO DIFFERENCE...i'd dare anyone to find it. the small stones are so tiny you can't see anything but blinding sparkle when you try to look at them. there is no 'seeing them from the side' either as they are set into the rings. however, i have a 10 stone 1ctw right hand ring that is set with I/J stones and when i wear it on my left hand with my e-ring and w-ring combo that is set with G/H stones I can see that the 10 stone looks a tiny bit 'off'...so in those larger .10c stones you can see the bit of color when put up against my melee. but comparing .02c melee to a 1.60c center stone, it's not even like comparing apples to apples, there's no color in those melee, its almost like it doesn't exist. hope that makes sense!! ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 5/9/2005 2:59:41 PM

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