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A couple of options feedback appreciated |
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| P: 5/3/2005 9:52:02 PM | |
countingdown Cut Rock Total Posts: 117 Last Post: 1/10/2007 Member Since: 5/3/2005 |
Option 1 3.02 G SI2 Measurments 9.39-9.43X5.71 Table 55 depth 60.7 Polish Ideal Symmetry Ideal Girdle TN Cutlet None Flouresence Negligble Cert AGS Price $29,517.00 Option 2 3.01 F in color SI2 Measurments 9.19-9.24X5.74 Table 58 Depth 62.3 Polish excellent Symmetry Excellent Girdle M Cutlet None Flouresence Faint Cert GIA Price $29,617.00
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| Posted: 5/3/2005 9:52:02 PM | |
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| P: 5/3/2005 10:05:49 PM | |
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,895 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004 |
I like #1, as #2 seems a little deep??
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| Posted: 5/3/2005 10:05:49 PM | |
| P: 5/3/2005 10:09:44 PM | |
bluedawg Cut Rock Total Posts: 485 Last Post: 6/25/2005 Member Since: 3/7/2005 |
I would need to know a bit more, such as the crown and pavilion angles (on stone #1-- you should have that info on the AGS cert but a Sarin would need to be run on #2 since it's GIA certed) and the inclusion location before making a choice. Both could be beautiful diamonds-- or not.
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| Posted: 5/3/2005 10:09:44 PM | |
| P: 5/3/2005 10:19:04 PM | |
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countingdown Cut Rock Total Posts: 117 Last Post: 1/10/2007 Member Since: 5/3/2005 |
Here is the link to the first one which has a copy of the cert.http://www.abazias.com/database/NewDiamondInfo.asp?stock=13137850&flag=ps
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| Posted: 5/3/2005 10:19:04 PM | |
| P: 5/3/2005 10:39:59 PM | |
KBerly Ideal Rock Total Posts: 964 Last Post: 1/16/2007 Member Since: 4/21/2004 |
#1, and as bluedawg said, get more info on the inclusions, but it definitely looks great so far from the specs you have posted 
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| Posted: 5/3/2005 10:39:59 PM | |
| P: 5/3/2005 10:46:24 PM | |
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countingdown Cut Rock Total Posts: 117 Last Post: 1/10/2007 Member Since: 5/3/2005 |
How do I find out about the inclusions? Thanks
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| Posted: 5/3/2005 10:46:24 PM | |
| P: 5/3/2005 10:52:54 PM | |
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Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,895 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004 |
The inclusions would be plotted on the cert.
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| Posted: 5/3/2005 10:52:54 PM | |
| P: 5/3/2005 10:53:26 PM | |
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KBerly Ideal Rock Total Posts: 964 Last Post: 1/16/2007 Member Since: 4/21/2004 |
contact the dealer who is selling the diamond, if they don't have it in front of them, they usually can get in touch with the distributor and they can "describe" the type of inclusions, i.e. white, black, crystal, needle...but again, some of this info should be on the cert. edit: looks like a large majority of the inclusions are off the table (a few pinpoints on the table) but looks like it has potential to me, but again i am "inclusion tolerant" the crown (34.3) and pavillion(40.9) look good too!
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| Posted: 5/3/2005 10:53:26 PM | |
| P: 5/3/2005 10:53:41 PM | |
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003 |
Can't access the copy of the cert (dead link). Anyway, OMG are you really planning to spend that heap of cash on some automated order ? If so... well... ok. The usual way involves quite a bit of chatter between you and the seller: they should tell you if the respective stone looks clean (the clarity plot on the cert gives some indication, but it is not meant to describe acurately what the stone looks like), provide cut quality details (Sarin scan for the GIA graded stobe has been mentioned, Ideal Scope or some other tool meant to measure brilliance is even better). A copy of the AGS report should tell the proportions of stone #1. Some sellers also provide professional pictures. If Abazias dones not, these services can be provided by an appraiser. This if things like brilliance and clarity (eye clean quality, not the grade that we already know) matter to you at all. Hope some of this makes sense
Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian] |
| Posted: 5/3/2005 10:53:41 PM | |
| P: 5/3/2005 11:07:52 PM | |
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countingdown Cut Rock Total Posts: 117 Last Post: 1/10/2007 Member Since: 5/3/2005 |
Try This
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| Posted: 5/3/2005 11:07:52 PM | |
| P: 5/3/2005 11:22:12 PM | |
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valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003 |
Got it ! Now... that copy of the lab report is not exactly great - it is black and white and probably has been though a fax. All I can see are many small, scattered inclusions which could be good news if they are colorless. A large single one has better chances to be glaring obvious than many specs of dust. The only way (I know of) to tell whether the optimistic prediction is ok is to look at the stone. Abazias can do that and I am sure they are not interested to keep shipping stones back and forth between unhappy customers during the return period. They have some good reason to give you a candide evaluation of that stone... The GIA stone does not even have that kind of cert copy... and given the SI2 grade this is critical, IMO. There are four or five 3 carat F/Si2 diamonds in their database, and only one comes with a copy of the lab report (this). The copy is evern worse... I can't tell much else but the absence of anything remotely looing like a HUGE blob of an inclusion. The stone could be nice, but the greater depth does make is smaller than the AGS one. The F/Si2 you have selected has better sounding finish grades (symmetry and polish) - I am not sure those make much visual difference (GIA themselves admits that this is not the case) but very visible inclusions (impossible to guess without further detail from the seller) surely would. Oh well... from this point forth Abazias should be able to call in the diamonds and their lab reports and show hard data either to you or an independent appraiser of your choice or both for that matter.  Just my 0.2, of course. Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian] |
| Posted: 5/3/2005 11:22:12 PM | |
| P: 5/4/2005 1:24:54 AM | |
lostdog Cut Rock Total Posts: 179 Last Post: 7/15/2005 Member Since: 12/15/2004 |
I would tell you not to depend on any kind of inclusion plot where you didn't see the actual certificate rather than a copy. You still need to see the actual stone to tell anything anyway, but some small markings can essentially disappear when copied. Some colors more than others. Sometime the clouds are a bit dotted and kind of vanish, especially against the fibers of the cert. There are a lot of variables in the scanning and copying process. The cert is really a hint as to where to look for things, not a drawing of what the stone looks like to the eye. There are 'inclusions' and there are 'inclusions', but sometimes there are huge black spots or God knows what that you'll be seeing for years. No way to be sure until you see it or someone else sees it for you. You really need a verbal description from somebody trustworthy or an ironclad 100% return policy and the willingness on your part to eat the shipping and handling costs for every stone you try. The option of sending to an appraiser is a nice way to go, as you'll often hear around here. SI2 could be anything. With $30G on the line, why not use an independent appraiser?
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| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:24:54 AM | |
| P: 5/4/2005 5:55:18 AM | |
Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,315 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004 |
Duane, Looks like you've done good work, and #1 seems like a good option, based on the available info. Although I picked the other H option I mentioned in your other post because a quick scan narrowed it to the one that showed H&A in the comments, drilling in further, that one did not have a posted AGS cert, whereas this one does. And, Abazias posts it, provides a larger discount than WF (not sure why you post $29,517...at their site, their non-discounted price shows $28,848), and where Abazias posts the cert, WF does not. Also, per their review of services at Abazias, they'll bring it in and look at it for you. Running the HCA on this stone, which you can do because of the posted cert, it shows a nice 1.3 TIC XX vg vg, which is encouraging to go the next step. Best wishes, and good luck going forward, Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. |
| Posted: 5/4/2005 5:55:18 AM | |
| P: 5/4/2005 12:18:46 PM | |
lop Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,651 Last Post: 9/7/2009 Member Since: 6/14/2003 |
As everyone says, #1 looks like a very nice stone! I would get onthe phone and discuss it further with Abazias. See if they have a trained gemologist who will look at it for you and send you magnified pictures and idealscope pictures before having it shipped to an appraiser for a look-see yourself.
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| Posted: 5/4/2005 12:18:46 PM | |
| P: 5/4/2005 2:17:41 PM | |
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countingdown Cut Rock Total Posts: 117 Last Post: 1/10/2007 Member Since: 5/3/2005 |
Ok Guys thanks for all your help I got emailed a bunch of stuff today from the vendor. The response from the vendor Diamond is available-Cert and Sarin attached-Per manufacturer: It's an AGS 0 - Very good SI2-white on the side. Small black on the side but NOTHING VISIBLE WITH NAKED EYE-BALL. This is the first stone mentioned. The second is 5715595 Round Ideal Cut 3.01 F SI2 $29,617-Diamond is available-Cert and Sarin attached- Per manufacturer: it's eye clean. "Most gorgeous SI2 you'll every see". He was personally involved in cutting, etc. Very very pleasing to the eye. SI2 is on the side. Table is clear and beautiful They emailed me in pdf the Sarin and Cert, I am not sure if there is anyway to post this. Thanks
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| Posted: 5/4/2005 2:17:41 PM | |
| P: 5/4/2005 2:43:59 PM | |
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Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,315 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004 |
Re #2, though others certainly may be able to do more with the data than I can, run the numbers yourself on this utility here. That should tell you whether you should consider it further. Next steps (since it appears neither diamond is in house and available for this yet), per their web site: Technology Working For You At Abazias, we have the knowledge and technology to thoroughly examine any diamond and confirm the grading as specified by the certificate. We can provide detailed photographs of the diamonds including 10x magnified images, close-ups of inclusions, ideal-scope images, and Hearts and Arrows photos when applicable. If the diamond is not located in house at the time of inquiry, we will arrange one complimentary shipment of a diamond to our office so that we can provide photographs of the stone and discuss the quality in detail. All of this can be supplied prior to purchasing the diamond so that you have the added benefit of knowing the specifics of the diamond when you proceed with your purchase. We welcome all inquiries and strive to obtain your complete satisfaction. Our specialists are available to assist you with all of your needs and insure that your purchase is a pleasant and exciting experience. So, after you pick a or b, you'll want them to see it, which they haven't yet, and give you their opinion. Or so it seems to me. Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. |
| Posted: 5/4/2005 2:43:59 PM | |
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