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Good Diamond/Deal?- AGS stone |
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| P: 4/21/2005 8:39:11 AM | |
TL_2004 Rough Rock Total Posts: 3 Last Post: 4/21/2005 Member Since: 4/21/2005 |
I’m looking at an AGS 0 (ideal cut) G colored SI2 1.32 ct round stone, no fluorescence
My questions is, if I had the same exact stone without AGS saying it as an H&A in the comments, would the price be cheaper by a lot? Does the official grading from AGS giving it their H&A approval really make that big of a difference on the diamond or price? Does this seem like a good deal?
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| Posted: 4/21/2005 8:39:11 AM | |
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| P: 4/21/2005 9:37:07 AM | |
Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,315 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004 |
I see what could be 7 comparables here, though smaller in size, with per carat costs ranging on the 6 AGS from $4724 - $5074 per carat, putting your option as below the highest cost here, but a bit towards the high end. One option was H&A and GIA, at $4169, representing a $732 premium...but it also comes from a vendor where the costs might be a bit lower...so the case of one might suggest a $500 premium, ballpark. Note, also, though, 2 things... - some people who create diamonds that go to vendors simply wouldn't send them to GIA for certification, because they feel they wouldn't be valued properly, so they just won't ever be found at GIA, or the likes of them. - also, that data you have missing, for which you've said yada yada yada...it's that detail for which AGS is known, and by which we can provide additional assistance, helping to confirm whether, regardless of the diamond coming from AGS, if it's a well cut stone or not. Best, Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. |
| Posted: 4/21/2005 9:37:07 AM | |
| P: 4/21/2005 10:54:18 AM | |
Paul-Antwerp Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,902 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 9/3/2002 |
The comment 'H&A' on the grading report means nothing. It means that the owner put a laser-inscription 'H&A' on the diamond, before submitting it to AGS. The comment only means that this laser-inscription is present on the stone. The owner could just as well put a laser-inscription like 'The ugliest diamond in the universe', and AGS would have put that in their comments. In order to assess the value of the stone, we need to have at least the measurements that you forgot. Live long, Paul Slegers |
| Posted: 4/21/2005 10:54:18 AM | |
| P: 4/21/2005 11:15:26 AM | |
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TL_2004 Rough Rock Total Posts: 3 Last Post: 4/21/2005 Member Since: 4/21/2005 |
ok, I see. I'll have to get the measurments. Im a newbie, so I didnt' realize that the measure were that important were they affected the price. I just assumed all ideal cuts were generally priced the same as far as the cut component of the diamond. Im going to see if I can get him down to $6500, getting the cost per carat down to $4920 or so. Ohh, BTW, the H&G isn't inscribed on the diamond, it just says it in the comments section of the grading report by AGS. The only thing inscribed is the AGS grading report #.
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| Posted: 4/21/2005 11:15:26 AM | |
| P: 4/21/2005 11:52:55 AM | |
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Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,315 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004 |
OK, also, following Paul's comments, note I'm a regular guy and am not licensed. Though I'd stand by the substance of what I'd shared, the ranges are probably off re my comments, at least (if then) until H&A is confirmed, and are wider. Get a good deal, but, having found this site, even more, make sure to get a well cut diamond. The data you stumbled across that's available because it's an AGS certed diamond will help you confirm that. That's it's AGS doesn't insure it's well cut, but probably significantly increases the odds. Re H&A, other experts here will know. Now that I'm giving some thought to this, I had thought AGS don't certify H&A, although they might record that H&A is written in the inscription, consistent with Paul's comments. But, that's inconsistent with your comments that H&A is NOT inscribed. So not sure about this part. Good hunting, Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. |
| Posted: 4/21/2005 11:52:55 AM | |
| P: 4/21/2005 12:00:21 PM | |
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Paul-Antwerp Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,902 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 9/3/2002 |
The measurements are extremely important in order to assess the light performance of the diamond (the cut-quality). AGS is in the process of adapting its grading system for rounds, and where many current non-AGS-0's might become Ideal in the new system, a probably bigger number of current AGS-0's will not be Ideal in the new system. In order to make an educated guess about the performance of your stone, we need to have at least all the measurements. As for the H&A-comment, AGS does not grade H&A, and therefore the comment should come from a laser-inscription that is present. Live long, Paul Slegers |
| Posted: 4/21/2005 12:00:21 PM | |
| P: 4/21/2005 12:05:55 PM | |
aljdewey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,236 Last Post: 2/11/2008 Member Since: 11/25/2002 |
Yup - the rest of the measurements are important because they determine which cut-grade is assigned by the AGS, which in turn can affect price. Also, AGS doesn't give "H&A" approval.....AGS doesn't verify a diamond's quality as H&A or not. If the grading reports comments include a comment about H&A, it means they have noted some notation on the diamond saying H&A. _____________________ |
| Posted: 4/21/2005 12:05:55 PM | |
| P: 4/21/2005 12:46:20 PM | |
cjfilm Rough Rock Total Posts: 11 Last Post: 4/27/2005 Member Since: 4/20/2005 |
hello, I am mr.film currently a new individual to the diamond arena in every aspect, I would like some helpful information tha would allow me to make the best decision @ purchase time. Question- in regard to the GIA, AGS, H&A, what does this mean? also what's from your opinion a good measurement for a 3 stone ring @ 1.60.cttw. what are the measurements based on? thank you for any input. 
Charles D M 2nd. |
| Posted: 4/21/2005 12:46:20 PM | |
| P: 4/21/2005 12:52:12 PM | |
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Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,315 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004 |
Charles, The Advanced Tutorial, under Knowledge, above, should help to pull this altogether for you. Best, Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. |
| Posted: 4/21/2005 12:52:12 PM | |
| P: 4/21/2005 1:14:50 PM | |
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TL_2004 Rough Rock Total Posts: 3 Last Post: 4/21/2005 Member Since: 4/21/2005 |
Thanks for all the great input. I can't go higher than 6500 range, so I figure I def want and nice sized diamond (1.25 or so), Ideal cut, best color I can get, and I figured if I can find a SI2 that is eye clean, this is the best route for my budget? My whole thinking is downgrading on the color to upgrade on clarity, isn't the way to go b/c the color is more noticeable than the clarity...SI2 vs. SI1 or VS2.
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| Posted: 4/21/2005 1:14:50 PM | |
| P: 4/21/2005 2:33:30 PM | |
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Paul-Antwerp Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,902 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 9/3/2002 |
Date: 4/21/2005 1:14:50 PM Author: TL_2004 Thanks for all the great input. I can't go higher than 6500 range, so I figure I def want and nice sized diamond (1.25 or so), Ideal cut, best color I can get, and I figured if I can find a SI2 that is eye clean, this is the best route for my budget? My whole thinking is downgrading on the color to upgrade on clarity, isn't the way to go b/c the color is more noticeable than the clarity...SI2 vs. SI1 or VS2. Any thoughts on this thinking? Your second question should be whether this SI2-inclusion will bother you. Where is it located, how noticeable is it, will it bother you at some point in time? As for your trade-offs between colour and clarity, I would not mind going down to I-colour, and up to SI1 or VS2. And in an extremely well-cut round, I would consider even lower colours. In the end, that decision is up to you, however. Live long, Paul Slegers |
| Posted: 4/21/2005 2:33:30 PM | |
| P: 4/21/2005 4:47:03 PM | |
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003 |
Paul, I have to disagree about "even lower than I". Nobody did notice yellow in the L-VVS1 you just sold to me. And it's set in... white gold. Stephan |
| Posted: 4/21/2005 4:47:03 PM | |
| P: 4/21/2005 5:28:16 PM | |
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Paul-Antwerp Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,902 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 9/3/2002 |
Shhhh Stephan, I only have 3 M-N-colours in stock and a load of F-G's. Paul Slegers |
| Posted: 4/21/2005 5:28:16 PM | |
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