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Problem with SI2 - dirt or am I an idiot?

P: 4/20/2005 9:04:13 PM
guavapure Rough Rock Total Posts: 3 Last Post: 4/20/2005 Member Since: 4/20/2005	Hi there. Just bought my fiancee a ring, am puzzled, hoping you can all help out. The jeweler has a great reputation, and came highly recemmended by two coworkers. I bought a .78 E SI2, round brilliant, Polish/Symmetry both Excellent. Depth 60%. Table 63%. Culet none. Fluorescence none. Have a copy of the GIA cert. Looked at the stone at the shop. Minor inclusions, only visible with the loute (sp? ha ha). Picked up the ring with platinum siz prong setting. Breathtaking. Sparkles like mad. A very niced stone. I do not recall seeing any big black dots at any point in time. Gave the ring to my fiancee. We went away on vacation and a few days later we noticed a big black dot. It definitely looks like it is inside the stone. Could it have just appeared? Was it always there, and I missed it? It is NOTICEABLE. Not from top, but from the side. Is it maybe just dirt, and needs to be cleaned? I'm going to the jeweler tomorrow. Just hoping for some feedback/advice from you seasoned vets. Thanks!!!
Posted: 4/20/2005 9:04:13 PM

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P: 4/20/2005 9:14:43 PM
bluedawg Cut Rock Total Posts: 485 Last Post: 6/25/2005 Member Since: 3/7/2005	What type of setting is the diamond in? (Wondering how exposed the diamond is for dirt, grit, etc) If the plot doesn't show the inclusion you now see and it wasn't there when you looked with a loupe, it might be some dirt. Can you clean it with a toothbrush and see if the black spot goes away? (Once I took my diamond in because I saw that I had chipped it-- turned out to be SuperGlue! )
Posted: 4/20/2005 9:14:43 PM

P: 4/20/2005 9:18:52 PM
guavapure Rough Rock Total Posts: 3 Last Post: 4/20/2005 Member Since: 4/20/2005	Hi, thanks for replying! It is a solitaire setting. I have not tried to clean it myself, but I will, thanks for the advice. It looks like it is INSIDE though. I am really hoping that the dirt is reflecting inside the diamong making it look inside when there is something really outside. Can this happen? thanks!
Posted: 4/20/2005 9:18:52 PM

P: 4/20/2005 9:22:50 PM
Patty Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,031 Last Post: 6/4/2008 Member Since: 12/7/2003	It probably was always there and you are just now noticing it. It is not unusual for an SI2 to have an eye-visible inclusion, especially through the side. Diamonds are graded from the top down. Even VS stones can have inclusions visible through the side (and occasionally the top.)
Posted: 4/20/2005 9:22:50 PM

P: 4/20/2005 9:27:28 PM
marriahlyn Cut Rock Total Posts: 468 Last Post: 6/29/2008 Member Since: 7/23/2003	It could very well be either dirt or the inclusion. I have an SI1 and couldn't see the inclusion with the diamond unset. I can however make out a spec now that it's set.........from the top and from the side while the ring is sparkly clean. Here is a pic of the inclusion at 10X. Does the inclusion you see in your diamond match anything on the cert??? Jaime
Posted: 4/20/2005 9:27:28 PM

P: 4/20/2005 9:28:59 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	Give it a bath and try to see if the dot matches some major mark on the GIA clarity plot. If it does... it's an inclusion. Otherwise... no idea. It is not uncommon to "discover" inclusions after scrutiny (as during some time of wear) that were not aparent in the first place. However, I would not expect this to happen with a huge booger visible from a mile away Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 4/20/2005 9:28:59 PM

P: 4/20/2005 9:30:25 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	Date: 4/20/2005 94:13 PM Author:guavapure It is NOTICEABLE. Not from top, but from the side. Eye clean normally refers to face up only. In an SI2 there may certainly be inclusions you can see from the side - nothing to worry about. In normal viewing position, from above, refractions can prevent you from seeing them. They are easier to see from the side because the diamond 'windows' from that viewpoint. John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 4/20/2005 9:30:25 PM

P: 4/20/2005 9:36:03 PM
guavapure Rough Rock Total Posts: 3 Last Post: 4/20/2005 Member Since: 4/20/2005	It is arm's length noticeable. Do you still agree it is an inclusion? If it is an inclusion, well then I guess I can find solace in the fact that it's not visible from the top, where most folks would look at it from. But it upsets me to be able to see it from the side. Also, I could have compromised color, size, polish/symm, etc and picked a stone that didn't have a big black dot in it. Maybe the jeweler will let me exchange it. My fiancee is quite hooked on it though.
Posted: 4/20/2005 9:36:03 PM

P: 4/20/2005 10:31:03 PM
Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,227 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004	Date: 4/20/2005 9:363 PM Author: guavapure It is arm's length noticeable. Do you still agree it is an inclusion? If it is an inclusion, well then I guess I can find solace in the fact that it's not visible from the top, where most folks would look at it from. But it upsets me to be able to see it from the side. Also, I could have compromised color, size, polish/symm, etc and picked a stone that didn't have a big black dot in it. Maybe the jeweler will let me exchange it. My fiancee is quite hooked on it though. you can't expect an SI 2 to look like a VS 2 in clarity. it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone.
Posted: 4/20/2005 10:31:03 PM

P: 4/21/2005 1:47:09 AM
callista Rough Rock Total Posts: 89 Last Post: 4/22/2006 Member Since: 3/9/2005	Hey, have you cleaned it yet? Maybe you should have posted pictures of said black spot before you posed the question. This would give the more expert people on PS an idea of what you are referring too. Without it, how are the good people here able to tell you if it is dirt of not? All they can do is deduct what it could be. I'm sure even with pics you can't tell if is dirt or not, but pics would help. I agree with bluedawg about looking at the plots on the certificate. If it's not on the certificate, then take the next approprtiate action. Hopefully it is just dirt, but clean it first.
Posted: 4/21/2005 1:47:09 AM

P: 4/21/2005 9:51:42 AM
drk Ideal Rock Total Posts: 601 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2005	I can't imagine too many people will be checking out your diamond carefully enough from the side to see a black dot even if it is an inclusion and not just dirt. If you can't see it from the top, I'd be happy. You have an eye-clean SI2 and were able to get a bigger/whiter stone for your money. If your fiancee is hooked on it like you said she is, just let her enjoy! I'd bet by now she's pretty emotionally attached to the ring... Hope you managed to clean off the spot, and if not, that you don't mind it so much any more!
Posted: 4/21/2005 9:51:42 AM

P: 4/21/2005 10:19:05 AM
dixxin Rough Rock Total Posts: 43 Last Post: 7/9/2007 Member Since: 10/25/2004	If she love it.. it is mission completed and a great job!! Why stress?
Posted: 4/21/2005 10:19:05 AM

P: 4/21/2005 10:20:45 AM
soulsis Cut Rock Total Posts: 317 Last Post: 5/24/2006 Member Since: 10/21/2004	WAIT! This exact thing happened to me when we got my engagement ring. I kept seeing these black marks that were definitely not there under the loupe. Turns out that a speck of dirt or debris had gotten into the gold while they were making the ring and it made a little pit. So, they fixed the gold (which was under the diamond) and I never saw it again. It happened to my GF too. I guess when they are pouring the gold (or whatever they do) that's when it happens. It has happened on some of my other rings without diamonds too. It looks like black streaks or something??
Posted: 4/21/2005 10:20:45 AM

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