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| P: 3/3/2005 4:01:30 PM | |
mydon Rough Rock Total Posts: 5 Last Post: 3/5/2005 Member Since: 3/3/2005 |
Ok...I think I messed up...I "discovered" Pricescope about 10 minutes ago...problem is I bought an engagement ring 2 hours ago. Now after reading these posts, I'm a little concerned that I paid too much for the ring. Here's my story: Went to what you guys call a B&M store called Robbins. They are a well known jewelry store on "Jewler's Row" in Philadelphia and opened up a store in NJ. I figured they have a great rep in Philly so their NJ store must be comparable price-wise. Spent about 3 hours there learning about diamonds and looked at about 10 different ones. I had a $5k budget and wanted a platinum band which brought the diamond + tax budget down to about $4100 after I picked out the band I liked. At first I thought the size I wanted was about .75 with a higher color rating but after looking at different stones, decided I wanted close to 1 carat and would sacrifice one of the other c's to get it. I came across a .90 carat diamond rated at VS2 with an I color rating which I liked. Then they present me with their ISEE-2 scanner....it's a MAC software program connected to this device that you put the diamond into and it scans and puts out a rating for "quality" (you can see an example of this on www.robbinsdiamonds.com). Most of the diamonds they put into it came in around 6 to 8 (out of 10) and the one I got rated an 8.5. Now...is this program legit?? I'm also worried about the color rating...after reading some posts it never occured to me about the lighting in the store and "tricks" they use to make diamonds look better. My total for the ring, diamond and tax came to $5k after some negotiation. I'm now seeing diamonds in the .90 size range online for in the low to mid 3k range with no tax. Did I get taken?? Should I cancel the order and buy a loose diamond online?? I'm just concerned buying something unseen considering I saw higher rated .90 diamonds at the store that I didn't like for one reason or another. Sorry for rambling...just made a big step in my life and am worried I jumped too quickly. |
| Posted: 3/3/2005 4:01:30 PM | |
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| P: 3/3/2005 4:34:49 PM | |
Lord Summerisle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 859 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 12/14/2004 |
Have a search for ISEE-2 - Robbins has been mentioned a few times in relation to it. Hopefully that'll put your mind at ease. _____________________ |
| Posted: 3/3/2005 4:34:49 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 4:40:54 PM | |
snlee Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,450 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2004 |
All I know from your post is you bought a .90, I, VS2 diamond. What about the cut? How much was the setting? We need some more info in order to tell you if you paid too much.
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| Posted: 3/3/2005 4:40:54 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 4:42:38 PM | |
Iceman Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,374 Last Post: 1/24/2008 Member Since: 8/26/2000 |
What you do is up to you and your hard earned money. Good luck.
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| Posted: 3/3/2005 4:42:38 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 5:05:05 PM | |
yellowfan Ideal Rock Total Posts: 711 Last Post: 10/5/2005 Member Since: 9/10/2004 |
Hi there, You said you purchased it today. What is the return policy? Theres a good chance you may be able to return it if you don't like it. Don't let too many days go by before you act on it. good luck, lori **************************** Adopt a pet and save a life. |
| Posted: 3/3/2005 5:05:05 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 5:06:20 PM | |
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
A 8.5 isee2 rated diamond is likely to be a very good performer in indirect light. Certainly above average. As for the price a lot more information is needed to determin if it was a fair price. What cert did it have? GIA AGS EGL IGI? What is the information from the cert? Demensions? Depth? Polish? sym? crown and pavilian measurements if available? 4100 with tax at a b&m doesnt sound to bad if its well cut. You might be able to find a better diamond online cheaper with some work. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 3/3/2005 5:06:20 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 5:06:21 PM | |
moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004 |
"Should I cancel the order and buy a loose diamond online??" Yes. Sorry- you wanted my opinion. ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me. |
| Posted: 3/3/2005 5:06:21 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 5:10:47 PM | |
belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004 |
if you can find a way to be content with your purchase then, don't worry about it..... if you're going to spend every waking moment from now on wondering "what if" then maybe you should cancel the order and explore your options a little further.......... best of luck to you!!! 
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| Posted: 3/3/2005 5:10:47 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 5:27:10 PM | |
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mydon Rough Rock Total Posts: 5 Last Post: 3/5/2005 Member Since: 3/3/2005 |
Date: 3/3/2005 5  6:20 PMAuthor: strmrdr A 8.5 isee2 rated diamond is likely to be a very good performer in indirect light. Certainly above average. As for the price a lot more information is needed to determin if it was a fair price. What cert did it have? GIA AGS EGL IGI? What is the information from the cert? Demensions? Depth? Polish? sym? crown and pavilian measurements if available? 4100 with tax at a b&m doesnt sound to bad if its well cut. You might be able to find a better diamond online cheaper with some work. The cert was AGA-CERT...unfortunately they wouldn't give me a copy of the cert...they said I'd get it when I got the ring. The only other information from the cert I remember is below...total cost minus taxes was about $3800. Color: I (but to the naked eye actually looked whiter then a G I looked at with the same weight) Shape: round Weight: .90 Clarity: VS1 AGA Cutting: Class 2B Polish: Good Symmetry: Good And again the ISEE-2 rating was 8.5 If it's a "fair" deal I'm satisfied...I just want to make sure I wasn't taken to the cleaners.
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| Posted: 3/3/2005 5:27:10 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 5:31:39 PM | |
Maxine Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,394 Last Post: 10/25/2009 Member Since: 12/6/2004 |
If you have any doubts, check out the return policy, take it back and do some more research...How did it look to you?
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| Posted: 3/3/2005 5:31:39 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 5:37:44 PM | |
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,919 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004 |
Sounds like you found Pricescope just in time, not too late. I would see what the return policy is and go from there. Now that you have PS you can purchase a great diamond while being informed. Good luck!!
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| Posted: 3/3/2005 5:37:44 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 5:38:24 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
kewl its an aga cert that makes it easy... the internet pricing charts for aga ratings are here for a 2b: http://www.pricescope.com/Reports.asp?shp=8&cut=5 3874 per ct. on the high end 3062 on the low per ct. That makes it 3486 on the high end to 2775 on the low end. The high end will usualy be gia certed and the lower end egl and 2nd/3rd tier labs like aga. So compared to internet pricing it is a lot overpriced. Btw 2nd tier doesnt always mean their grades are off AGA has a good reputation around here and the owner of the lab posts here but non ags and gia certed stones sell for a discount so it has to be considered. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 3/3/2005 5:38:24 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 5:45:14 PM | |
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mydon Rough Rock Total Posts: 5 Last Post: 3/5/2005 Member Since: 3/3/2005 |
Date: 3/3/2005 5:31:39 PM Author: Maxine If you have any doubts, check out the return policy, take it back and do some more research...How did it look to you? It looked great to me...but today was the first day I've ever looked at diamonds. I'm usually not an impulse buyer but after 3 hours I "thought" I knew it all....til I got home. I'll call and see the return policy...thanks to everyone for their input. I'll be posting again for more help when I start looking online for a new one!
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| Posted: 3/3/2005 5:45:14 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 5:57:20 PM | |
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003 |
Date: 3/3/2005 5:45:14 PM Author: mydon It looked great to me...but today was the first day I've ever looked at diamonds. I'm usually not an impulse buyer ... Sounds good to me actually. Isee2 sounds reasuring for the sparkle department and the price seems in line with the quotes for AGS certed I/VS2 s around here (ranging from $3500 to $4100).  If allot better deals are to be found elsewhere - no idea.Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian] |
| Posted: 3/3/2005 5:57:20 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 6:00:37 PM | |
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Maxine Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,394 Last Post: 10/25/2009 Member Since: 12/6/2004 |
Ana, I think he said an AGA cert., class 2B, with GG for pol. and sym.......
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| Posted: 3/3/2005 6:00:37 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 6:04:01 PM | |
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Maxine Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,394 Last Post: 10/25/2009 Member Since: 12/6/2004 |
Color: I (but to the naked eye actually looked whiter then a G I looked at with the same weight) Shape: round Weight: .90 Clarity: VS1 AGA Cutting: Class 2B Polish: Good Symmetry: Good And again the ISEE-2 rating was 8.5
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| Posted: 3/3/2005 6:04:01 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 6:28:59 PM | |
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valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003 |
Date: 3/3/2005 641 PM Author: Maxine Color: I Shape: round Weight: .90 Clarity: VS1 AGA Cutting: Class 2B Polish: Good Symmetry: Good ISEE-2 rating was 8.5 Well, yes... AGA 2B doesn't sound like bad news . Let's say color & clarity are on the mark and Isee2 says "good light return". Perhaps not the best deal "the Pricescope way" but no total ripoff either. Now... if this can be changed at all, there's this guy (G-SI1) on the rack:  And this F-Si1 And one I-VS1 About the same size and somewhat less expensive. Of course, I do not know what the setting looks like and how could that be matched. Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian] |
| Posted: 3/3/2005 6:28:59 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 11:46:45 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Buena Girl the diamond being discussed here is not an isee2 brand diamond its a diamond that has been graded on an isee2 machine. There is a big difference there. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 3/3/2005 11:46:45 PM | |
| P: 3/3/2005 11:55:38 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Out of the ones val linked the GOG diamond is the standout cut wise. If its eyeclean it would be my pick of those 3. The other 2 arent in the same class. goodoldgold can also give you the isee2 score on it. Knowing what I know about the diamond im thinking it will be in the 9s. btw I allready let him hear about the bad picture that is up for it. No raise for Chas for a year!! :P ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 3/3/2005 11:55:38 PM | |
| P: 3/4/2005 12:05:22 AM | |
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,930 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002 |
my opinion is to return it. regardless of anything else, you can get a 1c I VS1 AGS0 AGA1A amazingly cut stone for $4970 or around there (I did a quick search online through some great vendors). I don't know how much your diamond was since you mention for the ring and diamond you paid over $5k but assuming the diamond was close to $4900...then I'd return that one and get something that is hands down going to be better and BIGGER for the same money. you found Pscope and if you want people to reassure you...I don't know that is what you are going to get. People here are an educated, tough bunch and many are pretty picky! ________________________________ |
| Posted: 3/4/2005 12:05:22 AM | |
| P: 3/4/2005 10:42:09 AM | |
Daniela Ideal Rock Total Posts: 703 Last Post: 8/16/2006 Member Since: 10/2/2003 |
Date: 3/4/2005 12 5:22 AMAuthor: Mara my opinion is to return it. regardless of anything else, you can get a 1c I VS1 AGS0 AGA1A amazingly cut stone for $4970 or around there (I did a quick search online through some great vendors). I don't know how much your diamond was since you mention for the ring and diamond you paid over $5k but assuming the diamond was close to $4900...then I'd return that one and get something that is hands down going to be better and BIGGER for the same money. you found Pscope and if you want people to reassure you...I don't know that is what you are going to get. People here are an educated, tough bunch and many are pretty picky! Mara, I believe he said he paid about $3800 for the diamond.
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| Posted: 3/4/2005 10:42:09 AM | |
| P: 3/4/2005 11:33:13 AM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Date: 3/4/2005 11 0:49 AMAuthor: Regular Guy Storm, Pray tell, is your analysis of the GOG option based on anything other than it's 0 - 2 HCA score? After your comments, I did see Ana's other suggestions did not, so they seemed something of an odd mix for that. Further, is your guess about it's score in the 9's based on anything other that info? The idealscope image on the WF shows poor optical symetry. Its not h&a. The dcd diamond has a 35.3 crown angle and not enough information. My guess on the isee2 score is based on my knowlege of other stones cut by that cutter. I couldnt tell you who cut it but it is one of his suppliers with a certain style of cutting and there diamonds almost always score in the 9s on isee2. Id be shocked if it wasnt in the 9s :} Nothing magic about it just years studying GOG's images and data. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 3/4/2005 11:33:13 AM | |
| P: 3/4/2005 11:49:22 AM | |
Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,037 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
Date: 3/3/2005 6:28:59 PM Author: valeria101 Well, yes... AGA 2B doesn't sound like bad news . Let's say color & clarity are on the mark and Isee2 says 'good light return'. Perhaps not the best deal 'the Pricescope way' but no total ripoff either. Without doing any research on pricing and accepting the above at face value. They did spend several hours with you. They did treat you fairly. They did show you several options. They did invest in technology to show you how the stone performs. They have perhaps earned some loyalty by providing you things that you could not and would not have been able to do on the net. Yes, you did pay a little extra for this, but you received value for it also. I know that it is popular to bash retailers for actually wanting to feed their families, but it seems to me as if you received fair value and great service. That may, or may not, be worth a small premium to you. If you had paid a more traditional retail price of seven or eight grand, then you might have a better case for cancelling the sale. Just the thoughts of an internet vendor who also has a B&M location. I may of course be biased... Wink Wink Jones |
| Posted: 3/4/2005 11:49:22 AM | |
| P: 3/4/2005 12:14:16 PM | |
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RockDoc Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,509 Last Post: 6/17/2007 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
Dear My Don I have been in Florida, for the last 12 years, but previously was in the Philly area. I don't know if they "cleaned up their act", perhaps they have. A long time ago, there was an expose aired by Herb Denenberg ( consumer reporter) on channel 10 news about questionable practices of the Robbins Bros. I believe Herb Denenberg is now on the Fox network. I would suggest you call his office and see what he has to say about them. Search his name under Google and you should get contact information for him. There is no reason why you shouldn't be able to have a copy of Dave Atlas's report. Another source that you might check is MAB Jewelers in Springfield PA, talk to Sam Bruner there, as he was one of the gemologists that Denenberg used for his exposes. I don't have any current information on them, but if you call these two folks, they can update you. Hope this Helps Rockdoc/ Bill Lieberum P.S. If you speak to Herb Deneberg, give him my regards.
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| Posted: 3/4/2005 12:14:16 PM | |
| P: 3/4/2005 1:22:40 PM | |
Christy42 Cut Rock Total Posts: 214 Last Post: 8/7/2005 Member Since: 12/11/2004 |
Well, here's my .02, for what it's worth. I did the same thing you did. I found pricescope after I had bought a diamond. I did, however, have second thoughts about it right after I bought it which led me to finding PS. I assume the same goes for you. If you were perusing around the net with questions you probably weren't satisfied. As the PS'ers have said, "It must speak to you." I ended up looking at 4 others before I finally found the right one. I got very caught up in specs. (Drove me mad!) My opinion is that if you were checking 2 hours after you bought it, you'll continue to check and second guess yourself, like I did. Sounds like you weren't sure as soon as you paid. Funny how that happens. Anyway, I didn't give up the one I had until I had one better but my vendor had a very flexible return policy. I agree with some of the answers to your post regarding looking at various internet vendors or more local jewelers to see if you feel more comfortable with your purchase. The internet vendors will probably be a little cheaper than your local jeweler so keep that in mind. They weren't in my case but I got an exceptional deal. (long story) I prefer purchasing locally, though. I think if you were questioning it that quickly, that may not be the stone. So, if you have the time frame, keep looking with an open mind, lurk here a bit and maybe you'll find that you like what you have or find what you like......Go with your gut...... |
| Posted: 3/4/2005 1:22:40 PM | |
| P: 3/4/2005 1:59:46 PM | |
aljdewey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,236 Last Post: 2/11/2008 Member Since: 11/25/2002 |
Date: 3/4/2005 11:49:22 AM Author: Wink I know that it is popular to bash retailers for actually wanting to feed their families..... Yes, Wink, you've found us out! That's completely the motivation around here. Everyone here just can't be happy until we are secure in the knowledge that jewelers can't support themselves and/or make ends meet, and then we'll all feel like we accomplished our goal.  Doesn't this sound just a LITTLE outlandish to anyone? I seriously wish the inflammatory comments on BOTH sides that has peaked here on PS lately would tone down.....a LOT. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm weary of all the "US vs. THEM" and finger-pointing. The fact that customers want to get value doesn't mean they are all out to "get" retailers. The fact that some retailers' prices are higher doesn't mean they are out to screw consumers or that they don't offer the best "value for the money". Isn't it time to try working together instead of sniping this way? _____________________ |
| Posted: 3/4/2005 1:59:46 PM | |
| P: 3/4/2005 2:12:32 PM | |
MC Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,866 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 2/8/2003 |
I agree with Wink. Sounds like you got a great deal from a B&M store. Personally, I'd keep and enjoy the stone
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| Posted: 3/4/2005 2:12:32 PM | |
| P: 3/4/2005 2:53:49 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Date: 3/4/2005 11:49:22 AM Author: Wink Date: 3/3/2005 6:28:59 PM Author: valeria101 Well, yes...  AGA 2B doesn't sound like bad news .  Let's say color & clarity are on the mark and Isee2 says 'good light return'.  Perhaps not the best deal 'the Pricescope way' but no total ripoff either. Without doing any research on pricing and accepting the above at face value. They did spend several hours with you. They did treat you fairly. They did show you several options. They did invest in technology to show you how the stone performs. They have perhaps earned some loyalty by providing you things that you could not and would not have been able to do on the net. Yes, you did pay a little extra for this, but you received value for it also. I know that it is popular to bash retailers for actually wanting to feed their families, but it seems to me as if you received fair value and great service. That may, or may not, be worth a small premium to you. If you had paid a more traditional retail price of seven or eight grand, then you might have a better case for cancelling the sale. Just the thoughts of an internet vendor who also has a B&M location. I may of course be biased... Wink Sir Wink my friend He came here for education about his diamond which he bought on impulse. The vast majority of the posts in this thread are about educating him on just what he bought and what some options are. Isnt that what this site is about? Education, help and friendship. I never would have bought the diamond he did in the first place but I didnt say that. I provided the information and a source for the information he needed to decide for himself. If thats wrong then I guess Im on the wrong forum. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 3/4/2005 2:53:49 PM | |
| P: 3/4/2005 2:58:49 PM | |
widget Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,254 Last Post: 12/20/2008 Member Since: 11/12/2004 |
Mydon: I totally agree with Wink and MichelleCarmen!! The most important "instrument" in determining the quality of a diamond, in the end, is your eyes! You had the opportunity to look at, up close and personal, TEN diamonds! I suspect that's a lot more than most internet consumers ever get to see.I think you should keep it, and enjoy it, and be proud of it! widget
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| Posted: 3/4/2005 2:58:49 PM | |
| P: 3/4/2005 6:07:50 PM | |
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002 |
Price sounds in line. 2b is a very good make - and may even appeal to your eyes more. Sounds like you received good service. You could second guess yourself till the cows come home. Buyer's remorse is very normal. You are always going to question some aspect. There is no *perfect* buy. If you are happy with it, then keep it and enjoy it. If you are the type to fret, then return it.
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| Posted: 3/4/2005 6:07:50 PM | |
| P: 3/4/2005 6:40:46 PM | |
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Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,037 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
Date: 3/4/2005 1:59:46 PM Author: aljdewey Date: 3/4/2005 11:49:22 AM Author: Wink I know that it is popular to bash retailers for actually wanting to feed their families..... Yes, Wink, you've found us out! That's completely the motivation around here. Everyone here just can't be happy until we are secure in the knowledge that jewelers can't support themselves and/or make ends meet, and then we'll all feel like we accomplished our goal. Doesn't this sound just a LITTLE outlandish to anyone? I seriously wish the inflammatory comments on BOTH sides that has peaked here on PS lately would tone down.....a LOT. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm weary of all the 'US vs. THEM' and finger-pointing. The fact that customers want to get value doesn't mean they are all out to 'get' retailers. The fact that some retailers' prices are higher doesn't mean they are out to screw consumers or that they don't offer the best 'value for the money'. Isn't it time to try working together instead of sniping this way? I do apologise if I seem to be inflaming any thing, it is not my intention and I should know better than to make humor in print where the tone of my voice is not being heard. Assuming the pricing was within a few hundred dollars of what internet pricing is, (which I believe it was from the earlier posts, I did not go into looking up pricing), then the man received fair value for all of the time and work that was spent with him. I do not have trouble with anyone wanting to get value. I do believe that if you spent (again, working from memory) five hours with someone, then that time has a fair value also. It would seem unfair to me to now reneg on the sale and buy a stone sight unseen over less than a significant difference. If he had walked in, looked, bought, then decided "HEY! What have I done!", then I would absolutely agree he should jump at a chance to save some money. When he spent five hours (or what ever the number was) learning and being educated, then I think that time has some value to him as it made him a better consumer. I do agree that my comment does not come accross with the humor with which it was intended and for that I apologize. I stand by my other comments that the time and education and demonstrations that he received have value and should be honored. In the event that our consumer finds a stone that he likes significantly better and decides to buy it, then I will not argue with his right to do so. However, I urge him to consider the fact that he stated he saw higher rated stones that he did not like as well. I suspect that cut was playing a factor in those observations, but can not know for sure. I wish him luck with his decision, and I apologise to you for offending you. Wink Wink Jones |
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