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Remember Stephan's Stone?

P: 3/1/2005 4:24:03 PM
luvmysparklies Cut Rock Total Posts: 266 Last Post: 5/23/2008 Member Since: 8/5/2003	Well, I saw it!!! I had Wink send it to me and it is beautiful! Unfortunately, I cannot purchase it at this time. But, I compared it to my own stone (I color VS2 H&A - 8.8mm) stone and I must say it compared quite well. It sparkles like crazy and the rainbows are phenomenal. Of course you can see a faint tint from the side, but, looking at it face up in all sorts of light-restaurant, daylight, fluorescent, halogen - it was just a bit "warmer" than my I. If I had the mula, I would have snatched it up. I just had to see for myself if cut really did make a difference in stones in this color range - and it does. Obviously, not gonna be a crisp white, but darn, if it wasn't bright and off-white. Anyone who may be considering this stone and has got the funds-I say go for it. It is truly a beautiful stone! That's me, when I first opened the diamond paper. That's me, mad that I can't get it for myself. And finally, that's me waving goodbye to the stone that I just can't afford right now.... Just wanted to share. Luv
Posted: 3/1/2005 4:24:03 PM

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P: 3/1/2005 4:31:33 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,922 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	How fun!! It must have been hard to see it in the flesh and not be able to keep it ! Was the size just huge? ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 3/1/2005 4:31:33 PM

P: 3/1/2005 4:35:57 PM
Lynn B Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,143 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 5/9/2004	OH MAN! I just know I would NOT have been able to send that baby back! I'd have mortgaged the farm (and I don't even have a farm! ) to keep it, once I had it in my hot little hands. You are a VERY STRONG GIRL! Lynn PS I'm with Mara -- was it HUGE??!!! Did you happen to take any photos of it on your finger or anything?! Oh -- I hope so! And THAT'S my story and I'm sticking to it!
Posted: 3/1/2005 4:35:57 PM

P: 3/1/2005 4:39:17 PM
quicksvo Rough Rock Total Posts: 41 Last Post: 8/15/2008 Member Since: 12/16/2004	Do you think it is a good value for the price? Would it be eye catching in a ring?
Posted: 3/1/2005 4:39:17 PM

P: 3/1/2005 4:40:01 PM
Patty Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,031 Last Post: 6/4/2008 Member Since: 12/7/2003	Oh, I bet it was hard to send it back! I'd love to see that stone in person. From the pictures, I feel like the warmth of the M enhances the stone instead of detracting from it. Someone is going to get a huge bargain with that beauty!
Posted: 3/1/2005 4:40:01 PM

P: 3/1/2005 4:45:22 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,922 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	I agree Patty... Here is a funny note that Brian the Cutter from WF told me...he said that 3 times out of 4 when he puts diamonds in front of customers in various color ranges and does not tell them what is what, aka D F G H J or similar...3 times out of 4 the customers unconciously go for the warmer shades. It's interesting because so much of the focus is on color, aka the icy white of a D. But that may not be for everyone or even very MANY. I wonder if it's true that the 'masses', even well-cut-loving masses would unconciously go for a slightly warmer stone? The funny thing is that I have seen an ACA E and my almost ACA H and to me they look the same in terms of whiteness esp face down. I don't do the side comparison really since it's not super relevant in terms of how you view the stone on a daily wearable basis. But maybe the E makes sense for Greg's tension because the pavilion and the whole stone is exposed. But for a regular e-ring...my H is super white, and it looks ICY to me! Of course eyes are going to be different and we always say it's a preference. But it was really interesting to me that Brian noted that the warmer colors seem to be the pick of more people in general...when they do not know what grade the diamond was given. So this M...it looks beautiful in pictures and I think it would look spectacular in a Vintage or Antique type setting which may suit its more romantic nature! ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 3/1/2005 4:45:22 PM

P: 3/1/2005 4:56:07 PM
movie zombie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,217 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 1/20/2005	can anyone direct me to the thread to see stephen's stone? this is interesting given my interest in 'warm' spess and champagne/cognac diamonds. i'd like to see the picture of this one pronto, please! peace, movie zombie "I don't feel enjoyment watching films that evoke passivity. If you need that kind of comfort, I don't understand why you wouldn't go to a spa." Chan-wook Park
Posted: 3/1/2005 4:56:07 PM

P: 3/1/2005 5:00:49 PM
Lord Summerisle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 859 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 12/14/2004	click the image _____________________ I Post Therefore I Am I am no Expert (I'm not a drip under pressure ;) ) Seek Someone who is for better info
Posted: 3/1/2005 5:00:49 PM

P: 3/1/2005 5:00:55 PM
Bagpuss Ideal Rock Total Posts: 830 Last Post: 11/27/2005 Member Since: 9/10/2003	I agree about some of the warmer colours looking attractive. I have an E, an H and a few I's and out of them all I really I think I prefer the I's. I saw a Tolkowsky ideal cut J in a local store and that was beautiful too. Not yellow, but just not as white as my I. It's hard to explain, but it was more of a golden bronze colour. On the other hand, I saw an L which was very yellow looking. I wasn't struck on that one at all. I presume not all lower colour graded stones are tinted in the same way - that is the shade of the tint must vary. I think that, as everyone keeps saying, you have to see the stone and decide whether the tint in that particular diamond is to your taste. ----------------------------- Bagpuss
Posted: 3/1/2005 5:00:55 PM

P: 3/1/2005 5:08:42 PM
movie zombie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,217 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 1/20/2005	wow, wow, and wow again! this would be great with the george sawyer 'h' band i'm looking to find a stone/stones for! directions, please: what is the best way i can find out more re this stone? how many carats? price? any other identifier so if i call wink we'll both be talking about the same stone? peace, movie zombie "I don't feel enjoyment watching films that evoke passivity. If you need that kind of comfort, I don't understand why you wouldn't go to a spa." Chan-wook Park
Posted: 3/1/2005 5:08:42 PM

P: 3/1/2005 5:13:35 PM
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,918 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004	Wow is right, it's gorgeous!! I want it!! ____________________________ Piece of cake and a candle. ng gift
Posted: 3/1/2005 5:13:35 PM

P: 3/1/2005 5:17:46 PM
Lord Summerisle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 859 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 12/14/2004	Link to Wink 3.02ct M-VS2 $15k _____________________ I Post Therefore I Am I am no Expert (I'm not a drip under pressure ;) ) Seek Someone who is for better info
Posted: 3/1/2005 5:17:46 PM

P: 3/1/2005 5:29:00 PM
icelady Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,030 Last Post: 10/21/2006 Member Since: 11/25/2003	Luv, Did Wink know you were not in the market and only looking? Is he OK with just sending it out for a look see?? Stephen's stone is a beauty, someone will indeed be getting a sweet deal when they snap this one up!!! icelady
Posted: 3/1/2005 5:29:00 PM

P: 3/1/2005 5:35:59 PM
movie zombie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,217 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 1/20/2005	thank you, lord summerisle! at 3 carats, its larger than i really want. however, i can talk to wink and see if he has or can get as good a stone in the 1-2 carat range. i had no idea that an 'M' could be so good to look at! and at that price, its a bargain. i just can't imagine wearing a 3 carat diamond, though.....! peace, movie zombie "I don't feel enjoyment watching films that evoke passivity. If you need that kind of comfort, I don't understand why you wouldn't go to a spa." Chan-wook Park
Posted: 3/1/2005 5:35:59 PM

P: 3/1/2005 6:34:02 PM
Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001	Date: 3/1/2005 5:290 PM Author: icelady Luv, Did Wink know you were not in the market and only looking?  Is he OK with just sending it out for a look see?? Stephen's stone is a beauty, someone will indeed be getting a sweet deal when they snap this one up!!! Luvmysparklies has been a good friend and client for many years and was very upfront with me as to her intentions. If it is still here in a month or two she will buy it then, but out of respect for me and for Stephan she has not only graciously NOT asked me to hold it for her, but launched this thread to assist Stephan in his quest to sell it. The lady is a CLASS act! Besides, she paid the postage and insurance! ;) Wink Wink Jones GG Winfield's/High Performance Diamonds
Posted: 3/1/2005 6:34:02 PM

P: 3/1/2005 6:38:50 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Date: 3/1/2005 4:45:22 PM Author: Mara So this M...it looks beautiful in pictures and I think it would look spectacular in a Vintage or Antique type setting which may suit its more romantic nature! Funny, I just think the same... A Vintage white gold setting. Faycullen-look with a perfect cut... Who said to big? Are you kidding? PS to luvmysparklies : Did you take a picture next your I-VS2 ? Stephan
Posted: 3/1/2005 6:38:50 PM

P: 3/1/2005 6:49:46 PM
yellowfan Ideal Rock Total Posts: 711 Last Post: 10/5/2005 Member Since: 9/10/2004	Hi Stephan, I was wondering what stone you ended up with after the M was returned? It looks beautiful! Thanks, Lori-yellowfan **************************** Adopt a pet and save a life.
Posted: 3/1/2005 6:49:46 PM

P: 3/1/2005 6:54:59 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Date: 3/1/2005 6:34 PM Author: Wink The lady is a CLASS act! Thank you luvmysparklies ! You are indeed a great Lady to promote a diamond that you can't afford right now but perhaps in a few months. If this baby doesn't find a mother, you have deserved to be the one ! Stephan
Posted: 3/1/2005 6:54:59 PM

P: 3/1/2005 7:02:59 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Date: 3/1/2005 6:49:46 PM Author: yellowfan Hi Stephan, I was wondering what stone you ended up with after the M was returned? It looks beautiful! Thanks, Lori-yellowfan Hi Lori ! Once this diamond sold, I'd like to buy a ... bigger one (and why not yellower?). But it could be a fancy shape; who knows, Paul will perhaps try it? I'm looking for months after a perfect Emerald cut but... that's "Mission Impossible" here in Antwerp. I also love Old Miner cuts. I used to hate the Princess cut, but... wait and see ! Stephan
Posted: 3/1/2005 7:02:59 PM

P: 3/1/2005 7:06:18 PM
yellowfan Ideal Rock Total Posts: 711 Last Post: 10/5/2005 Member Since: 9/10/2004	Hi Stephan, I think a yellow diamond would be perrrrfect! I love yellow diamonds!!! Isn't Wink the sweetest to deal with? I was wondering if this stone is for you or a lady? How would you set your future diamond? Are you looking for a large stone? Sorry for the many questions! Best, Lori-yellowfan **************************** Adopt a pet and save a life.
Posted: 3/1/2005 7:06:18 PM

P: 3/1/2005 7:17:29 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Date: 3/1/2005 76:18 PM Author: yellowfan I think a yellow diamond would be perrrrfect! I love yellow diamonds!!! Isn't Wink the sweetest to deal with? I was wondering if this stone is for you or a lady? How would you set your future diamond? Are you looking for a large stone? Sorry for the many questions! As I live in Belgium, I didn't met Wink but I'm sure he's very... sweet? I'm very grateful to him for his help and his friendly mails. My future diamond? I don't know how it will be set, I first have to know the shape. Large? What is large? Stephan
Posted: 3/1/2005 7:17:29 PM

P: 3/1/2005 7:24:53 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	If my future diamond is an Emerald cut, it will be quite large and quite yellow (W-X). If not to large, why not Fancy Light Yellow? But it's soooo difficult to find a perfect cut Emerald! Stephan
Posted: 3/1/2005 7:24:53 PM

P: 3/1/2005 7:30:59 PM
yellowfan Ideal Rock Total Posts: 711 Last Post: 10/5/2005 Member Since: 9/10/2004	Best luck in your diamond search! Post photos when you get your "yellow" diamond! **************************** Adopt a pet and save a life.
Posted: 3/1/2005 7:30:59 PM

P: 3/2/2005 12:00:31 AM
elmo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,142 Last Post: 10/19/2009 Member Since: 6/18/2003	Date: 3/1/2005 7:24:53 PM Author: Stephan If my future diamond is an Emerald cut, it will be quite large and quite yellow (W-X). If not to large, why not Fancy Light Yellow? But it's soooo difficult to find a perfect cut Emerald! Perfect cut emerald + fancy yellow = mission impossible
Posted: 3/2/2005 12:00:31 AM

P: 3/2/2005 1:43:30 PM
luvmysparklies Cut Rock Total Posts: 266 Last Post: 5/23/2008 Member Since: 8/5/2003	Wow, I didn't expect all these responses, but I am very happy to share every observance very honestly! Yes, the stone looked huge. Wink was kind enough to send me a temporary stone holder ring so that I could view it on my finger. I don't have a digital camera unfortunately. But here is the scoop. Looked huge. My own stone as I wrote is an 8.8mm, so putting Stephan's stone right next to mine showed it to be bigger, but it didn't dwarf my own stone. So I thought that it would make for a fair comparison. Face up, yes you can see "warmth" but honestly, nothing glaring or in an ugly tint like the lower quality stones at the maul. No brownish ANYTHING, just a very, very light, light yellow FROM THE SIDE. Face up and don't take this the wrong way, but dingy or as I prefer to say "off-white". This is an exceptional value for the money. I told Wink that I would talk about my observations honestly. This stone compares very favorably next to an I face up. In sunlight, it did the turning dark grey thing that our high quality stones do! I went to Macaroni grill and looked at the stone under those lights and it was ON FIRE!!!! In my own home I looked at it under just regular home lighting and under my halogen lighting...again ON FIRE. Honest. This stone would be extremely pretty in an antique-like setting. I even thought about the style of a flower or princess ring, with this stone being in the center surrounded by smaller yellow diamonds. Wink knew that I was really wanting to compare apples to apples and that I would be interested, but much further down the road. I just can't afford it right now. Let me see what else...Well, I will just say that I am a size kinda gal and love my own stone. However, this was very beneficial to have seen an excellent cut stone such as this in this color range. I was originally just kicking around some ideas for something nice to get my mom, so it was never really for me. But now, after having seen this beauty in person, in all sorts of lighting I feel very comfortable going with a warmer "faint tint" stone in a larger size. Knowing first hand what a 3 carat looks like in an M makes me feel quite comfy purchasing in this size/color range as long as the stone's cutting is up to "our" standards. I would like a 4 carat stone at somepoint and if it is well cut like this, I would'nt hesitate (heh, $$$ permitting). I thought to myself, in a 4 carat I would probably move it to an L color since going up in size would intensify the color showing. Not that this is an ugly color to begin with. Overall, I LOVED THIS STONE!!!! I am saving up, just in case Wink still happens to have it. Like I told Wink, even though I had mixed feelings about even talking up this stone (for someone to snatch it up) I have learned and benefit a lot from the knowledge here and wanted to give something back. If this helps someone out who may be thinking about purchasing this stone or even a different stone in a warmer range, then I am happy to have helped! Luv
Posted: 3/2/2005 1:43:30 PM

P: 3/2/2005 1:56:38 PM
solange Ideal Rock Total Posts: 871 Last Post: 8/23/2008 Member Since: 2/20/2004	Here is a funny note that Brian the Cutter from WF told me...he said that 3 times out of 4 when he puts diamonds in front of customers in various color ranges and does not tell them what is what, aka D F G H J or similar...3 times out of 4 the customers unconciously go for the warmer shades. (Mara) I had an interesting experience at Tiffany's Fifth Avenue store last week. I was looking at 4 to 5 carat stones in the showcase when a salesman approached me and asked if I wanted to look at anything. Since I had already purchased my ring from Whiteflash, I did not want to waste his time so I said I was just looking. The weather was bad and the floor was practically empty of customers. I think he just wanted to look busy so he insisted on taking out several stones for me to try on. There was a 4.05 carat D and similar sized G and H stones and a 5 carat F. I guess I should never try to get a job as a stone grader because I had the D and the H on the same hand and kept getting them mixed up. I really could not tell the difference. It may be that the H was a better cut. I did not ask for details because I did not want to waste his time in case a real customer came along. The 5 carat F looked darker to me than the H. If I were making a selection, without considering price(of course the D was the most expensive) I would have chosen the H over the D or F. The H was 4.08, vvs1 and was $85,000. All were round stones. As to an M color stone, I inherited a three stone Old European ring. I just located the appraisal for that ring. The center stone is 2.60 and the other two stones are about 2 carats each. They range in color from K to M and the M color stone is very bright and beautiful. These European cut stones are very bright and sparkly. The 3 carat stone at Wink's is very well cut. As Mara pointed out in a previous post, the term yellow is really misleading in the stones in the higher color ranges. Even from the side of my M stone, I see no yellow and I cannot tell which is the K and which is the M. I would bet that this 3 carat ring is drop dead gorgeous because of the cut and would not be the dark, muddy looking thing most people imagine when they hear M. If one wants a large, impressive looking stone at a great price, this is probably a rare opportunity. And you do not have to spend a fortune insuring it.
Posted: 3/2/2005 1:56:38 PM

P: 3/2/2005 1:59:18 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	Date: 3/2/2005 1:43:30 PM Author: luvmysparklies I even thought about the style of a flower or princess ring, with this stone being in the center surrounded by smaller yellow diamonds. Not that there's much room for the sidestones ! (see this) Yellow gold would be fantastic with that piece - yellow diamond pave even more so: pretty and exotic Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 3/2/2005 1:59:18 PM

P: 3/2/2005 6:09:59 PM
Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001	Date: 3/2/2005 1:43:30 PM Author: luvmysparklies Wow, I didn't expect all these responses, but I am very happy to share every observance very honestly! Yes, the stone looked huge. Wink was kind enough to send me a temporary stone holder ring so that I could view it on my finger. I don't have a digital camera unfortunately. But here is the scoop. Looked huge. My own stone as I wrote is an 8.8mm, so putting Stephan's stone right next to mine showed it to be bigger, but it didn't dwarf my own stone. So I thought that it would make for a fair comparison.  Face up, yes you can see 'warmth' but honestly, nothing glaring or in an ugly tint like the lower quality stones at the maul. No brownish ANYTHING, just a very, very light, light yellow FROM THE SIDE. Face up and don't take this the wrong way, but dingy or as I prefer to say 'off-white'. This is an exceptional value for the money. I told Wink that I would talk about my observations honestly. This stone compares very favorably next to an I face up. In sunlight, it did the turning dark grey thing that our high quality stones do! I went to Macaroni grill and looked at the stone under those lights and it was ON FIRE!!!! In my own home I looked at it under just regular home lighting and under my halogen lighting...again ON FIRE. Honest. This stone would be extremely pretty in an antique-like setting. I even thought about the style of a flower or princess ring, with this stone being in the center surrounded by smaller yellow diamonds. Wink knew that I was really wanting to compare apples to apples and that I would be interested, but much further down the road. I just can't afford it right now. Let me see what else...Well, I will just say that I am a size kinda gal and love my own stone. However, this was very beneficial to have seen an excellent cut stone such as this in this color range. I was originally just kicking around some ideas for something nice to get my mom, so it was never really for me. But now, after having seen this beauty in person, in all sorts of lighting I feel very comfortable going with a warmer 'faint tint' stone in a larger size. Knowing first hand what a 3 carat looks like in an M makes me feel quite comfy purchasing in this size/color range as long as the stone's cutting is up to 'our' standards. I would like a 4 carat stone at somepoint and if it is well cut like this, I would'nt hesitate (heh, $$$ permitting). I thought to myself, in a 4 carat I would probably move it to an L color since going up in size would intensify the color showing. Not that this is an ugly color to begin with. Overall, I LOVED THIS STONE!!!! I am saving up, just in case Wink still happens to have it. Like I told Wink, even though I had mixed feelings about even talking up this stone (for someone to snatch it up) I have learned and benefit a lot from the knowledge here and wanted to give something back. If this helps someone out who may be thinking about purchasing this stone or even a different stone in a warmer range, then I am happy to have helped! Luv Wow! Now that is what I call an observation. Thank you for taking the time to give us your full and honest opinion of the stone. That is so much more thorough than I would expect someone to do. Your kindness is greatly appreciated. Wink Wink Jones GG Winfield's/High Performance Diamonds
Posted: 3/2/2005 6:09:59 PM

P: 3/2/2005 6:18:28 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,922 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	Luv it sounds divine!! I am sooo sad you didn't have a camera handy to snap pictures! ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 3/2/2005 6:18:28 PM

P: 3/2/2005 6:28:27 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Thank you again Luvmysparklies! If you continue this way, the diamond will be sold before you save the money! I think this is an interesting topic, perhaps people will learn to love diamonds with a lower color grade than H. I have a little 0.64ct N color too, and my friends can't stop looking at it. I also sold a 1.15 J color (De Beers Millenium), and my friend is wearing it in earrings with a H color. You can't see the difference. Color is a very personal thing. I don't like vivid yellows, I prefer the look of a cheaper fancy yellow or even fancy light yellow. I saw a lot of W-X, they are OK too... PS: Paul is cutting a 8ct fancy pink H&A for me... don't worry, it's a joke! Stephan
Posted: 3/2/2005 6:28:27 PM

P: 3/17/2005 2:45:29 AM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	Bye bye little diamond ! The 3ct is sold by Wink, who did a great job with Paul. Thank you both for your work, your time and your kindness ! Stephan
Posted: 3/17/2005 2:45:29 AM

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