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Vendors - What makes for a great client? |
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| P: 2/10/2005 9:51:59 AM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Vendors, Im working on an article and need your help. There are a lot of threads that talk about what makes a great vendor now its your turn to tell us what makes a great consumer. I thought of doing this by email but I think the free exchange of ideas on the board will make for a better answers. What makes for a great client? What can we do to help you help us find the diamonds of our dreams? What steps can we as consumers take to help avoid problems? A lot of sales are dependent on trust if there was one thing you would want every client to know about you in this area what would it be? If there was one thing you would want every consumer to know before they contact you what would it be? Thank you for your help :} ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 2/10/2005 9:51:59 AM | |
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| P: 2/10/2005 9:55:34 AM | |
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Colored Gemstone Nut Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,267 Last Post: 10/1/2009 Member Since: 11/21/2002 |
This should be interesting Storm...
Josh Rioux |
| Posted: 2/10/2005 9:55:34 AM | |
| P: 2/10/2005 1:28:43 PM | |
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denverappraiser Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,610 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 7/21/2004 |
For me, the most important element of the retail relationship is just that, the relationship. I’ve never been fond of the big-box style of retailing where you buy your product and move out the door. This doesn’t suit custom jewelry especially well but I don’t actually like it for much of anything. I always liked customers who were willing to say what they want and what they like, and are interested in an exchange of information. These stores are the most successful by a significant margin in almost every category, including jewelry so I guess I'm obsolete. It’s a fair part of the reason I retired from retail. Customers tend to expect all of the handholding that make the relationship style stores popular but also expect the prices of the warehouses. Quite a bit of the value from a retailer is presented up front and is not separately billed. The habit of customers to come into a store and solicit a free education, examine the jewelers inventory for design ideas, consult with their experts on structural and design issues that may apply to their project and then take their designs or repair suggestions to the cheapest guy in town is, in a word, rude. These same people won’t tip a taxi driver because there is nothing left that they can get out of the deal. They will never see that particular driver again and so there is almost no downside to stiffing the driver, right? I actually had customers come back and complain because they took one of my designs to someone else and it didn’t come out well. This was somehow my fault and they expected me to fix it! There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile. |
| Posted: 2/10/2005 1:28:43 PM | |
| P: 2/10/2005 3:04:23 PM | |
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Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,861 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001 |
Ok... this answer is given tongue in cheek but it just happened as I write ... The client who comes in ... give me a budget to work with ... knows what setting she likes (happens to be a tiffany type solitaire), and says PICK THE STONE FOR ME! I need it done by tomorrow afternoon. :) hehe I'll give ya a more serious answer a lil later senor. Rhino |
| Posted: 2/10/2005 3:04:23 PM | |
| P: 2/10/2005 3:37:26 PM | |
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Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
The perfect client for me is a well educated client. The client who already knows a lot about diamonds, but will ask me questions to see if I really know my trade or if I am just another shoe salesman who is selling diamonds this week and computers next. The client who is prepared to make a decision if I give the right answers and have the correct stone. The client who is prepared to laugh and have fun as well as seriously look at diamonds. The client who is willing and ready to become my friend if I earn it. I thrive on relationships, be they by email or telephone or in person and I want to deal with people who also thrive on relationships. Most of my clients become my friends and many potential clients become my friends even if they found what they wanted somewhere else. Many people here are in that catagory. Some I have met, some I have not but I still consider them to be my friends and that is more important to me than whether or not they have ever bought anything from me. On Polygon we occassionally have get togethers called conclaves. It is amazing to me how I can go to one, meet people I have only typed to and insantly have the rapport of long lost friends, because we have been friends on Poly. I know this would be true if we ever had a Pricescope get together. Any of you coming to Boise are ALWAYS welcome to call and we can have lunch or dinner together. The perfect client is demanding, but not unreasonable and willing to wait for the job to be done correctly and the perfect client pays as agreed. Also the perfect client refers other clients if I did the job to their satisfaction, trusting that I will treat friends and collegues just as well as I treated them. I am sure with a little thought I could make this better, but this is what jumps to the top of my mind. Wink Wink Jones |
| Posted: 2/10/2005 3:37:26 PM | |
| P: 2/10/2005 4:06:26 PM | |
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valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003 |
Overconfident, loaded, big mouth kind of guy/gal with lots of like-minded, jewelry-addict friends. Politeness and education come extra, useful especially if the customer makes repeat visits. Anything wrong with this profile ? ![]() Can't immagine where one could get more expert jewelers' free time than on this forum. Quite amazing ! Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian] |
| Posted: 2/10/2005 4:06:26 PM | |
| P: 2/10/2005 5:26:21 PM | |
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Iceman Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,374 Last Post: 1/24/2008 Member Since: 8/26/2000 |
Lets stop being politically correct for a moment. My favorite customer is one that walks in and says Ill take that and pay's full price :)
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| Posted: 2/10/2005 5:26:21 PM | |
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Iceman Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,374 Last Post: 1/24/2008 Member Since: 8/26/2000 |
What steps can we as consumers take to help avoid problems? Cut with the 10,000 emails on when the ring is going to be done when the given dead line is not close :)
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| Posted: 2/10/2005 5:28:47 PM | |
| P: 2/10/2005 5:31:15 PM | |
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Iceman Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,374 Last Post: 1/24/2008 Member Since: 8/26/2000 |
All in All every customer is different that is what makes every day fun. Be yourself, we know its all new to you and we will help you through these difficult times. :)
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| Posted: 2/10/2005 5:31:15 PM | |
| P: 2/10/2005 7:22:06 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Thanks everyone keep it coming :} Wink you posted exactly what I thought you would post my friend :} Glad to see you made it back ok from your vacation. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 2/10/2005 7:22:06 PM | |
| P: 2/10/2005 9:13:08 PM | |
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diamondsbylauren Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,128 Last Post: 1/5/2006 Member Since: 10/18/2003 |
The easiest consumer to work with is one that knows what they want. Sometimes a person wants a 57% table, and other times a person simply wants a gift for his wife of 10 years- and wants guidance. Each one probably has different needs. Here's a method to avoid problems- ask questions, and if you feel that the person you are talking to is evasive, or tying to hide something, trust your instincts and move on. I think consumers need to use their own judgement and consider information about the vendor gleaned from every source possible. I've been quite lucky to have met some pretty amazing folks- some who knew exactly what they wanted- some that did their best to make us crazy ( one way or antoher)- still many of them touched me deeply. Diamonds are so often as gift of deep love- it's one of the nicest times to talk to someone. I'll bet others who sell rings that folks use to show their love to someone have similar tingly feelings. David |
| Posted: 2/10/2005 9:13:08 PM | |
| P: 2/10/2005 10:01:15 PM | |
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James Allen Schultz Cut Rock Total Posts: 247 Last Post: 11/13/2009 Member Since: 6/18/2002 |
okay strmrdr, I'm game: To me, a great client is someone who appreciates my staff, my diamonds and my experience as much as we appreciate the client. They know what they're looking for when they call, but they keep an open mind if we suggest something different. They don't ask for a better price than our "best price". They praise us publicly and endlessly if we do them right. They forgive us if we do them wrong. And how do you know when you're dealing with a truly "great" customer? They call and say "thank you" when it's all said and done. Jim Schultz |
| Posted: 2/10/2005 10:01:15 PM | |
| P: 2/11/2005 8:12:28 AM | |
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Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,567 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
No one has mentioned yet "how she looks?" A perfect client is one who rings up and says "you know what she wants" We deliver and all the relationships grow ![]() Or, the guy who said "You can increase the budget, but you cant spend more than the Bently I just bought" Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 2/11/2005 8:12:28 AM | |
| P: 2/11/2005 8:17:08 AM | |
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004 |
Date: 2/11/2005 8:12:28 AM SO THE BEST CLIENTS ARE GOOD LOOKING AND RICH..................................SO WHAT ELSE IS NEW!
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) No one has mentioned yet 'how she looks?' A perfect client is one who rings up and says 'you know what she wants' We deliver and all the relationships grow ![]() Or, the guy who said 'You can increase the budget, but you cant spend more than the Bently I just bought'
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| Posted: 2/11/2005 8:17:08 AM | |
| P: 2/11/2005 8:49:37 AM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Thanks everyone that took the time to write serious answers. Garry I expected you to say something like that. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 2/11/2005 8:49:37 AM | |
| P: 2/11/2005 8:54:47 AM | |
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004 |
i would imagine that a key factor would be how realistic (yes also informed but not necessarily a pricescope "expert") the customer is; alot of people want the hope diamond for 5500.
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| Posted: 2/11/2005 8:54:47 AM | |
| P: 2/11/2005 11:26:00 AM | |
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002 |
Much of what has been said - to add: Don't talk the merchandise down *JUST* to get a better price. I'm not interested in the great deal you got on Ebay or where ever. It's a horrible position to be in the "appraise" someone else's problem. If you are just wanting information only, be upfront. If not busy, I am happy to share. And, I dissent - I don't mind if you don't know what you want. I can assist you in finding out with some questions. I would like your business; but, please don't assume that I need or want it. Sometimes, the fit isn't a good one from the beginning.
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| Posted: 2/11/2005 11:26:00 AM | |
| P: 2/11/2005 11:46:48 AM | |
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Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,567 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
Rich OR good looking will suffice ![]() Seriously though Storm, did you think I would be serious? A great client is someone who believes you when you say this is beautiful. The best sales people are those who can match the right beautiful thing to the right person. This is one big problem for the Internet, but we can see that Amazon is doing a pretty good job of predicting clients taste and desires. Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 2/11/2005 11:46:48 AM | |
| P: 2/11/2005 4:21:10 PM | |
LesleyH Ideal Rock Total Posts: 506 Last Post: 12/23/2008 Member Since: 8/29/2000 |
Well, I've been mulling over this for a good while. I have to admit that I was a little reserved at first as I like to think that every request or call has potential and it is hard to generalize: We came up with the following: Education (the customer has either learned or is willing to learn). Information (the customer requests and compares available information). Communication (the customer emails or phones to ask any pertinent questions left unanswered). Decision (once the information is balanced and all questions have been answered the customer is not afraid to decide to buy). I have to say that for the most part, every day has many enjoyable and memorable customer experiences. I think the best part of working in this business is that we become involved in one of the most special emotional experiences of our customers' lives. LesleyH www.whiteflash.com Director of Sales at Whiteflash from 2000-2008 |
| Posted: 2/11/2005 4:21:10 PM | |
| P: 2/11/2005 4:34:19 PM | |
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canuk-gal Ideal Rock Total Posts: 9,195 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 4/19/2004 |
Date: 2/11/2005 11:46:48 AM HI:Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) Rich OR good looking will suffice ![]() Seriously though Storm, did you think I would be serious? A great client is someone who believes you when you say this is beautiful. The best sales people are those who can match the right beautiful thing to the right person. This is one big problem for the Internet, but we can see that Amazon is doing a pretty good job of predicting clients taste and desires. Actually I thought you were going to say the problem with the Internet is that you can't determine whether people are rich or good looking...... Sorry, back to your regularily scheduled programming........ cheers--Sharon "People who possess great qualities, do not need to show off". |
| Posted: 2/11/2005 4:34:19 PM | |
| P: 2/11/2005 8:25:39 PM | |
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DiamondExpert Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,243 Last Post: 6/20/2009 Member Since: 1/16/2003 |
For me, as already having had a career of training students, the best experiences with clients are those where both parties feel elated about the outcome of an interaction (regardless of whether or not a sale was made), and would be eager to interact again. The relationship can be simple, brief, complex or long term, it varies for each individual case. |
| Posted: 2/11/2005 8:25:39 PM | |
| P: 2/11/2005 11:36:16 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Date: 2/11/2005 8:25:39 PM Author: DiamondExpert For me, as already having had a career of training students, the best experiences with clients are those where both parties feel elated about the outcome of an interaction (regardless of whether or not a sale was made), and would be eager to interact again. The relationship can be simple, brief, complex or long term, it varies for each individual case. I was curious as to what your answer was going to be and to be honest it was one I couldnt predict despite all the awesome gemstones iv bought from you. But your answer makes perfect sense looking at our dealings :} Thank you :} BTW. iv been admiring the new beauties you brought home from Tucson. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 2/11/2005 11:36:16 PM | |
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mdx Ideal Rock Total Posts: 570 Last Post: 11/29/2007 Member Since: 3/1/2002 |
So my good friend Sammy Sherman comes to the office and says. It’s my wife Rebecca’s 50th Birthday. I want to buy her a diamond for $100,000.
Diamond Exchange Ltd. (Australia) |
| Posted: 2/12/2005 4:59:45 AM | |
| P: 2/13/2005 12:02:43 AM | |
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Wink Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,032 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 5/4/2001 |
Date: 2/10/2005 7:22 6 PMAuthor: strmrdr Thanks everyone keep it coming :} Wink you posted exactly what I thought you would post my friend :} Glad to see you made it back ok from your vacation. Made it back, but was very sick for a while, dang! Sorry to be so predictable, but hey, I am fairly transparent... Wink Jones |
| Posted: 2/13/2005 12:02:43 AM | |
| P: 2/13/2005 9:39:27 AM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
Date: 2/13/2005 12 2:43 AMAuthor: Wink Date: 2/10/2005 7:22 6 PMAuthor: strmrdr Thanks everyone keep it coming :} Wink you posted exactly what I thought you would post my friend :} Glad to see you made it back ok from your vacation. Made it back, but was very sick for a while, dang! Sorry to be so predictable, but hey, I am fairly transparent... Sorry to hear you wernt feeling well glad your feeling better. Being predictable is a good thing :} Especially on the net it give people more confidence when considering you for purchases. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 2/13/2005 9:39:27 AM | |
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Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,861 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001 |
Date: 2/11/2005 8:12:28 AM Author: Garry H (Cut Nut) No one has mentioned yet 'how she looks?' A perfect client is one who rings up and says 'you know what she wants' We deliver and all the relationships grow ![]() Or, the guy who said 'You can increase the budget, but you cant spend more than the Bently I just bought' Ok... catching up on this excellent thread. Gary ... you never cease to make me laugh (as well as Ice). Rhino |
| Posted: 2/13/2005 1:20:17 PM | |
| P: 2/13/2005 10:12:57 PM | |
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Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,861 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001 |
Excellent thread and idea strmrdr. I've put a little more thought into this so here goes. A great client is ... a. (the short quick answer) the lady or gentleman who realizes this is one of the most important purchases they will make in this lifetime and is willing to take the time necessary to learn about what it is they are purchasing. b. the person who respects our time and the effort it takes to help them find their dream stone. I don't expect to close every sale or win every client and never will you get a hard sell or pitch here. We truly believe that a quality product will sell itself, so if we do our job right and find that stone and the client has made it clear they are ready to purchase that they hold to their word. However if we are investing our time, energies and even capital (calling in stones for them to view), a great client will follow through on their word just as we had. In the past there have been Internet (and in-store as well) clients who took advantage of our kindness in this matter. We would spend hundreds of dollars calling in stones to scan in to show them (not to mention our time doing it) only to not get any answer whatsoever. This forced us to change our policy to requre a non-refundable deposit to cover our shipping expenses (which is absorbed into the price of the diamond upon a sale). This year we are experimenting with a different procedure and are offering to call in 2 stones on our tab based on the best available data/specs within their range and seeing how things pan out. We realize there will always be dead beats but if the majority of people are people of integrity we are considering dropping this criteria if its worth it in the long run. c. One who appreciates art, the time it takes to create it, and is willing to pay a fair price for it. I tend to be an extremist in the fields I set my heart and mind to. No matter the subject, once it captures me ... I go all out. My type of personality tends to attract the anal retentive. This can be viewed as both a negative and a positive however I look at it in the positive, generally because I know I can satisfy most of these types. Patience, of course, must be a prerequisite. d. A great client not only appreciates our investment in their education and diamond selection but will also let others know about it as well. e. As someone had already mentioned. A great client is one who forgives if an honest mistake is made. We are all still, only human. Warm regards, Rhino |
| Posted: 2/13/2005 10:12:57 PM | |
| P: 2/13/2005 10:58:31 PM | |
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strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
wow Rhino my friend you just about wrote my article for me :} Thank you. Some other time we will have to have a discussion on your "street smart" vs "book smart" comment. While in general I agree with it I think a "book smart" person can do better than a lot will give them credit for if they take the time and use all the tools available to them. We can agree that they can and will likely get burned badly when dealing within the trade if handed a uncerted diamond and a loupe and base the decision off that where a "street smart" person could do well. On the secondary market where there is a lot more leeway as to what is a good deal it changes a lot but thats another story/thread. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 2/13/2005 10:58:31 PM | |
| P: 2/14/2005 12:05:49 AM | |
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JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004 |
Rhino - Great elaborations on very valid points. I especially like your elaboration on the all-important aspect Lesley brought up about education! Book Smart versus Street Smart: Book smart is good for definitions, but street smart comes by trial and error (costly in this endeavor), or alternately by using a street-smart guide who helps you learn the territory and avoid dangers. (that's where "we" come in) John |
| Posted: 2/14/2005 12:05:49 AM | |
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JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004 |
A further thought on gaining Street Smarts... By "we" I am referring to this PriceScope-type family of vendor/appraiser/science and consumer educators.
John |
| Posted: 2/14/2005 12:12:03 AM | |
| P: 2/14/2005 9:50:17 AM | |
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002 |
Date: 2/14/2005 12 Book Smart/Street Smart. I don't think one understands the HUGE difference unless you are in the field w/ hands on experience of experience - whatever that expertise may be. It's near impossible to convince the book smart that they aren't street smart, especially if they believe their book smarts can translate. 5:49 AMAuthor: JohnQuixote Book Smart versus Street Smart: Book smart is good for definitions, but street smart comes by trial and error (costly in this endeavor), or alternately by using a street-smart guide who helps you learn the territory and avoid dangers. (that's where 'we' come in) But, having a knowledgable (able to understand the lingo & the relationship to cost, etc that the lingo will mean) does make the job easier. I have found the more knowledgable people are the less they think they know & the more they defer to the "pro".
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