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Asscher candidate

P: 2/9/2005 5:01:35 PM
Asschman Rough Rock Total Posts: 90 Last Post: 8/3/2005 Member Since: 11/16/2004	Just got in the Idealscope image and sarin report on the asscher stone I am considering, and would like any and all feedback. I am still waiting for the 40x photo of the stone itself, but I am feeling pretty good about this stone. Is it just me, though, or does the IS picture strongly resemble the German Iron Cross? Thanks Asschman
Posted: 2/9/2005 5:01:35 PM

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P: 2/9/2005 5:02:12 PM
Asschman Rough Rock Total Posts: 90 Last Post: 8/3/2005 Member Since: 11/16/2004	And the sarin Asschman
Posted: 2/9/2005 5:02:12 PM

P: 2/9/2005 5:07:47 PM
Asschman Rough Rock Total Posts: 90 Last Post: 8/3/2005 Member Since: 11/16/2004	And finally, the photo of the diamond itself. I am pretty sure the extra facet is noticeable, but maybe I have been staring at the screen too long. Anyways, your thoughts are all welcome.
Posted: 2/9/2005 5:07:47 PM

P: 2/9/2005 5:15:43 PM
pqcollectibles Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,441 Last Post: 6/18/2005 Member Since: 2/23/2003	Your Iron Cross is the Wind Mill pattern. One of the few things I know about Asschers. Mara started a thread in the FAQ's Forum about Asschers. You might want to look at the info there. This one is awefully perty to my uneducated eyes. Why use a big word when a diminutive word would be succinct! ____________________________________________________________ Just a regular person trying to be helpful. Consult a Pro prior to purchase!
Posted: 2/9/2005 5:15:43 PM

P: 2/9/2005 5:29:43 PM
Asschman Rough Rock Total Posts: 90 Last Post: 8/3/2005 Member Since: 11/16/2004	Date: 2/9/2005 5:15:43 PM Author: pqcollectibles Your Iron Cross is the Wind Mill pattern. One of the few things I know about Asschers. Mara started a thread in the FAQ's Forum about Asschers. You might want to look at the info there. This one is awefully perty to my uneducated eyes. Thanks for your thoughts. I forgot to include that it is an E, VS2.
Posted: 2/9/2005 5:29:43 PM

P: 2/9/2005 5:30:07 PM
Hest88 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,677 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 1/22/2003	Both the IS and the real picture look pretty nice.
Posted: 2/9/2005 5:30:07 PM

P: 2/9/2005 5:43:32 PM
IrishEyes Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,246 Last Post: 7/28/2008 Member Since: 1/4/2005	oooooo, preeeetty! I've really been getting into asschers lately. Don't really know much about them yet, but that one is very nice-looking. You say its a VS2, whereabout is the inclusion? IrishEyes,AJP (GIA)
Posted: 2/9/2005 5:43:32 PM

P: 2/9/2005 5:49:54 PM
Kaleigh Ideal Rock Total Posts: 25,896 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 11/18/2004	I love asschers and am trying to learn as much as I can about them. Looks like a beautiful stone, hope it's as pretty in person. Good luck!! ____________________________ Piece of cake and a candle. ng gift
Posted: 2/9/2005 5:49:54 PM

P: 2/9/2005 6:28:46 PM
jenwill Ideal Rock Total Posts: 735 Last Post: 2/19/2006 Member Since: 6/7/2004	I think it looks lovely! I really like the deeper cut corners. Similar shape to mine, and your IS looks very nice.
Posted: 2/9/2005 6:28:46 PM

P: 2/9/2005 7:44:36 PM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	the stone looks stunning---------dont mind the extra facet. mine has it and i couldnt care less as i have the best cut stone i could find
Posted: 2/9/2005 7:44:36 PM

P: 2/9/2005 8:18:38 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	IS looks good. The picture looks off compared to the IS. Too dark under the table where the IS shows it returning light. Bit of a tilt in the picture could account for it or too much backlight. Getting good pictures of asschers is hard. Id say that one is acceptable by my standards. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 2/9/2005 8:18:38 PM

P: 2/10/2005 6:09:21 AM
RoyalAsscher Rough Rock Total Posts: 37 Last Post: 3/14/2005 Member Since: 2/27/2004	Hi just a quick thought on that Asscher Cut, It looks like it has only 4 breaks is this right? You must know jewelers like to sell square emerald cuts which they like to call Asscher Cut so it will sell better. the picture look very nice, but I need to be honost to you. it looks a bit dark this means, A the top, crown hight is to shallow only 13... percent and for the rest E vs2 great! someone asked for a good pic Here is a good one Best regards, Mike www.asscher.com
Posted: 2/10/2005 6:09:21 AM

P: 2/10/2005 7:50:48 AM
Pricescope Administrator Total Posts: 8,265 Last Post: 1/5/2008 Member Since: 1/1/2000	Date: 2/10/2005 69:21 AM Author: RoyalAsscher ... the picture look very nice, but I need to be honost to you. it looks a bit dark this means, A the top, crown hight is to shallow only 13... percent and for the rest E vs2 great! someone asked for a good pic Here is a good one Best regards, Mike www.asscher.com Mike, photographs can look different depending on the lightenning environment. Can you make some examples of Ideal-Scope pictures for your diamonds? 3D Sarin scans imported into DiamCalc would also help to analyze performance. Paul Slegers (aka Paul-Antwerp) can send you an ideal-scope from Antwerp... Pricescope
Posted: 2/10/2005 7:50:48 AM

P: 2/10/2005 7:54:35 AM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	mike where does one buy the royal asscher in the Us?
Posted: 2/10/2005 7:54:35 AM

P: 2/10/2005 8:42:02 AM
Asschman Rough Rock Total Posts: 90 Last Post: 8/3/2005 Member Since: 11/16/2004	Date: 2/9/2005 5:43:32 PM Author: IrishEyes oooooo,  preeeetty!  I've really been getting into asschers lately. Don't really know much about them yet, but that one is very nice-looking. You say its a VS2, whereabout is the inclusion? I can't tell from the GIA certificate where the crystal inclusion(s) are, but will be speaking with someone today at the vendor to discuss the stone. Asschman /back at work, with an internet connection
Posted: 2/10/2005 8:42:02 AM

P: 2/10/2005 8:44:42 AM
Asschman Rough Rock Total Posts: 90 Last Post: 8/3/2005 Member Since: 11/16/2004	Date: 2/9/2005 7:44:36 PM Author: windowshopper the stone looks stunning---------dont mind the extra facet. mine has it and i couldnt care less as i have the best cut stone i could find Thanks for the kind words. Actually I sought long and hard to find the extra facet. After seeing some photos of the standard 3-step asscher cut versus the 5-step Royal Asscher, I wanted to find something in between that had a little more pizzaz without being too busy, given its size.
Posted: 2/10/2005 8:44:42 AM

P: 2/10/2005 8:48:29 AM
Asschman Rough Rock Total Posts: 90 Last Post: 8/3/2005 Member Since: 11/16/2004	Date: 2/10/2005 69:21 AM Author: RoyalAsscher Hi just a quick thought on that Asscher Cut, It looks like it has only 4 breaks is this right? You must know jewelers like to sell square emerald cuts which they like to call Asscher Cut so it will sell better. the picture look very nice, but I need to be honost to you. it looks a bit dark this means, A the top, crown hight is to shallow only 13... percent and for the rest E vs2 great! someone asked for a good pic Here is a good one Best regards, Mike www.asscher.com Appreciate your thoughts Mr. Asscher. The stone does have 4-steps/breaks. I am well-versed in how generic asschers differ from their Royal counterparts, but found this stone to be a nice way of bridging the gap without paying the premium for a branded stone. As for the crown height, well, there have been plenty of photos of very nice looking asscher-style stones with lower crowns, so I think this one will work out fine. Seeing it in person will make all the difference of course. Asschman
Posted: 2/10/2005 8:48:29 AM

P: 2/10/2005 9:02:33 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Hi Mike awesome to see you posting here I love asscher/SE cut diamonds. The RAs are very nice diamonds but I prefer the more classic cut. The high price and limited availability hurt the RA. The picture you posted is like comparing apples to oranges as far as lighting conditions the RA would look less great under the same lighting conditions the other is shot in. asscher/se diamonds including the RA dont like a lot of back light. I tends to wash out the pattern and make them look dark. The diamond in question would look totally different mounted and under the same lighting conditions as the one you posted. We can very much agree that there are some diamonds that are called asschers by others that are total dogs. Actually in my opinion the vast majority of them could be classified as such. They are cut for weight and tend to not be well cut. But the RA isnt the only game in town for well cut asscher/se diamonds. Im working hard on raising the standard on what an acceptable asscher/SE diamond is on pricescope and it has improved. No not all of them are up to RA standards but they dont have the price tag either and are very beautiful diamonds in their own right. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 2/10/2005 9:02:33 AM

P: 2/10/2005 9:08:24 AM
Asschman Rough Rock Total Posts: 90 Last Post: 8/3/2005 Member Since: 11/16/2004	Date: 2/9/2005 8:18:38 PM Author: strmrdr IS looks good. The picture looks off compared to the IS. Too dark under the table where the IS shows it returning light. Bit of a tilt in the picture could account for it or too much backlight. Getting good pictures of asschers is hard. Id say that one is acceptable by my standards. Finally, the comment I have been waiting for...the stone is strmrdr-worthy. I did pretty much use your posts as a guide for picking out the best asscher strm, so I am happy it meets your standards.
Posted: 2/10/2005 9:08:24 AM

P: 2/10/2005 9:24:56 AM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	There is an ideal scope photo of a RA around here (see the "All about Asschers" thread) and it does show a different character allright. Not too different from what Garry's top of the list for step cuts on Ideal_Scope com. I wouldn't call that too different from your stone: there is less black, but... the extra bit on the IS image of your stone might not be a bad thing. At least not in direct light and from an arm length. The current photo is not only tilted, but also taken from up close to the camera, so the black bands reflect the big, black, magnifying photo lenss infront of them. The stone will look like that in low, diffuse light, but at that point anyone would just turn on the lights Whiteflash, no ? One more thing: you can call that pattern "Malthese Cross" - it looks more like one too Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 2/10/2005 9:24:56 AM

P: 2/10/2005 9:37:08 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 2/10/2005 98:24 AM Author: Asschman Date: 2/9/2005 8:18:38 PM Author: strmrdr IS looks good. The picture looks off compared to the IS. Too dark under the table where the IS shows it returning light. Bit of a tilt in the picture could account for it or too much backlight. Getting good pictures of asschers is hard. Id say that one is acceptable by my standards. Finally, the comment I have been waiting for...the stone is strmrdr-worthy. I did pretty much use your posts as a guide for picking out the best asscher strm, so I am happy it meets your standards. Thank you for the compliment I will try not to let it swell my ego too much! Part of the reason im confident in that stone is that Brian has seen it. Behind the scenes he has been looking more and more into them and what makes them good or bad. Whiteflash and GOG have taken my quest for improved asschers/S.E. diamonds to heart and are working on it. Its a slower process than Id like but sorting thru suppliers and getting everything set up takes time. It is not easy finding good ones but Im seeing a bright future :} ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 2/10/2005 9:37:08 AM

P: 2/10/2005 9:59:16 AM
Asschman Rough Rock Total Posts: 90 Last Post: 8/3/2005 Member Since: 11/16/2004	Windowshopper--yes the stone is from Whiteflash. Strm--to be honest, I pretty much found this stone by myself. It took some cross-referencing of different e-vendors inventories, but I was able to make the call to bring it in based on its stats, and the 4-step plot diagram. I did use Whiteflash because they have an excellent rep and put together a good package for the money. Having Brian offer final confirmation of my thoughts on the stone will be the deal-sealer.
Posted: 2/10/2005 9:59:16 AM

P: 2/10/2005 6:47:00 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,901 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	wow that looks great!! I can't see the extra facet unless maybe it is off to the top left ...I see some sort of break in the pattern there? But it's not noticeable really..if that is not it then I don't know where it is! I actually tend to prefer less steps than the Royal Asschers, they do look pretty busy, I think yours is a great in-between option..seems like a really great selection and yes, if mr. anal-asscher strm gives it a thumbs up...it seems like a winner. Congrats! Let us know what you do with a setting...that thing will be yummy! Edited to add: Mike you should stick around and contribute to more Asscher posts, and not just with plugs for the RA type. Everyone has a preference for a look...and we do need more Asscher experts around here. ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 2/10/2005 6:47:00 PM

P: 2/11/2005 9:05:58 AM
Asschman Rough Rock Total Posts: 90 Last Post: 8/3/2005 Member Since: 11/16/2004	Date: 2/10/2005 6:470 PM Author: Mara wow that looks great!! I can't see the extra facet unless maybe it is off to the top left ...I see some sort of break in the pattern there? But it's not noticeable really..if that is not it then I don't know where it is! I actually tend to prefer less steps than the Royal Asschers, they do look pretty busy, I think yours is a great in-between option..seems like a really great selection and yes, if mr. anal-asscher strm gives it a thumbs up...it seems like a winner. Congrats! Let us know what you do with a setting...that thing will be yummy! Edited to add: Mike you should stick around and contribute to more Asscher posts, and not just with plugs for the RA type. Everyone has a preference for a look...and we do need more Asscher experts around here. Thanks Mara. Always nice to have Pscope regulars chime in with their approval. I am guessing the the extra step/faceting will show better when looking at the stone in person, but maybe not. Anyway, I am really happy with it. I have all but settled on this Michael Bondanza ring for the setting. It had graceful lines and and understated beauty, just like my fiancee to be. Not to get too sappy... She wanted something with a little extra bling, but most settings I saw had either too much or were kind of blocky. Asschman
Posted: 2/11/2005 9:05:58 AM

P: 2/11/2005 9:34:09 AM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	EXQUISITE--PERFECT FOR AN ASSCHER
Posted: 2/11/2005 9:34:09 AM

P: 2/11/2005 9:35:40 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	I love that setting. Graceful and not overpowering. Id change the sides to colored stones but otherwise its something id buy for my wifey2b . It will showcase that asscher very very well. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 2/11/2005 9:35:40 AM

P: 2/11/2005 10:37:41 AM
Asschman Rough Rock Total Posts: 90 Last Post: 8/3/2005 Member Since: 11/16/2004	Strm and Windowshopper I am so elated by your responses. Beaming in fact. Have to be honest though, since I have spent the last couple of months reading, researching, and interacting with the Pricescope community, I am almost kind of feeling like this is "my" diamond. My preciousss. Screw buyer anxiety, I might have separation anxiety. thanks again. Asschman
Posted: 2/11/2005 10:37:41 AM

P: 1/22/2006 11:59:52 PM
TierHog Ideal Rock Total Posts: 797 Last Post: 4/14/2009 Member Since: 1/16/2006	asschman....go for it brother! go with your heart...i'm in the same shoes as you.............whiteflash? seems the favorite for customer service...etc. sincerely happy for your choice in stone..... ron..
Posted: 1/22/2006 11:59:52 PM

P: 1/23/2006 2:08:00 AM
blueroses Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,219 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 11/15/2004	Tierhog, your support is admirable, but this thread is almost a year old!....Asschman actually bought a fabulous asscher from WF back in March of '05: http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=26838 From one asscher drooler to another!!
Posted: 1/23/2006 2:08:00 AM

P: 1/24/2006 9:46:12 PM
TierHog Ideal Rock Total Posts: 797 Last Post: 4/14/2009 Member Since: 1/16/2006	blueroses.....boy, lol....shows how new i am to this forum thing....lol. hey, i'm tryin'.... :) by the way, today i made phone contact with one of whiteflash's folks...they're on the hunt for an excellent CUT 'square emerald cut' or royal asscher for me....we'll see....contacted GOG also... thanks for the reply blueroses... :) ron......
Posted: 1/24/2006 9:46:12 PM

P: 1/24/2006 10:08:47 PM
blueroses Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,219 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 11/15/2004	Tierhog, Keep us posted!!! In fact--I'm always in favor of more asscher threads--why don't you start a new one to keep us apprised of your progress w/ WF & GOG? There's one poster, strmdr (we call him storm) who is an asscher guru and he is a GREAT resource once you pics and numbers for stones you're considering. Jonathan at GOG is also GREAT w/ asschers!! There are definitely generic asschers/cut cornered sq. emeralds out there which come close to the royal asscher look and I'm sure you'll find a winner! Can't wait to see what you're considering!
Posted: 1/24/2006 10:08:47 PM

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