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PS Vendors @ Dave Atlas for Imagem Presentation

P: 1/20/2005 7:27:00 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	Dave Atlas of AGA graciously hosted an introductory look at the new Imagem automated diamond grading machine today. Some familiar faces gathered for a fun day of camaraderie, discussion and information sharing. More details to come, I am sure, from those who were present... Those of "us" too swamped to make the trip anxiously await! * Leonid, this thread may need to go to Diamond Hangout, but I consider it trade-worthy enough to appear on Rocky Talky for a little while. John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 1/20/2005 7:27:00 PM

There are 45 replies to this message. There are 30 replies on this page.

P: 1/20/2005 5:19:28 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	Brian (Whiteflash), Dave Atlas, Jim (Dirt Cheap Diamonds) and Jonathan (Good Old Gold) at AGA. John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:19:28 PM

P: 1/20/2005 5:21:08 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	Brian at the Imagem machine. John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:21:08 PM

P: 1/20/2005 5:21:45 PM
Kaili Ideal Rock Total Posts: 752 Last Post: 7/17/2006 Member Since: 9/14/2004	Love to see the faces behind the names
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:21:45 PM

P: 1/20/2005 5:22:54 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	Door to Imagem machine. The diamond is placed on the reflective tray. John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:22:54 PM

P: 1/20/2005 5:24:13 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	Automated tweezers take the diamond into the machine. John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:24:13 PM

P: 1/20/2005 5:25:47 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	... John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:25:47 PM

P: 1/20/2005 5:27:39 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	The analysis chamber is sealed. No light contact from the outside. Here is a computer screen shot. John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:27:39 PM

P: 1/20/2005 5:28:35 PM
denverappraiser Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,618 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 7/21/2004	John, I notice that you're missing from the photos. I realize that there have been problems because your image won't appear on film but I thought that digital cameras had resolved that issue. Neil Beaty GG(GIA) ISA NAJA Independent Appraisals in Denver There's never a crowd when you go that extra mile.
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:28:35 PM

P: 1/20/2005 5:28:49 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	I was going to ask about ImaGem after reading the latest on AGA in the PS Diamond Journal . There is no sample report on the Imagem website as yet. How do they look ? And... how does this work ? Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:28:49 PM

P: 1/20/2005 5:30:35 PM
Hest88 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,681 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 1/22/2003	Oh, very cool! Jim from DCD looks much younger than I'd pictured him.
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:30:35 PM

P: 1/20/2005 5:30:59 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	A cut and performance report card produced by the machine. John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:30:59 PM

P: 1/20/2005 5:32:20 PM
Bagpuss Ideal Rock Total Posts: 830 Last Post: 11/27/2005 Member Since: 9/10/2003	Nice pic of the 'Usual Suspects'. I've saved it for posterity. ----------------------------- Bagpuss
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:32:20 PM

P: 1/20/2005 5:34:20 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	(I'll take care of YOU in a minute, Neil!) Brian & Rhino with Chris and Gina from AGA. John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:34:20 PM

P: 1/20/2005 5:40:55 PM
oldminer Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,966 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/4/2000	Its amazing who will travel to vist when there is free food and something to drink.....We had a wonderful time meeting and greeting everyone time and also enjoyed a productive day..It was a happy and good day that we will all remember. David S. Atlas GG(GIA), ASG, Sr. Mbr. NAJA www.datlas.com
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:40:55 PM

P: 1/20/2005 5:53:16 PM
perry Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,782 Last Post: 11/16/2009 Member Since: 9/19/2004	Neil: The trick to taking John's picture is to use a silver mirror (modern aluminum coated ones won't work). With a silver mirror you get to see John's reall image. An electronic camera may otherwise mislead you with his disguise here on earth: I suspect that you are right that a normal film camera would not work. Perry
Posted: 1/20/2005 5:53:16 PM

P: 1/20/2005 6:00:16 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	Date: 1/20/2005 5:28:35 PM Author: denverappraiser John, I notice that you're missing from the photos.  I realize that there have been problems becuse your image won't appear on film but I thought that digital cameras had resolved that issue. Now now, Neil & Perry... You know that myth is as outdated as burning witches for making webcrawling price search engines. Actually, I'm missing because I knew Dave would run out of food fast with that crowd. John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 1/20/2005 6:00:16 PM

P: 1/20/2005 6:16:47 PM
belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004	thanks for sharing the pics john (even though you're not in them!) i really like the "diamond cut and performance report card". it would be handy if it were wallet size........... "no, officer, it is supposed to be this bright!!" (.¸(`.¸¸.´)¸.) ¨`.¸ belle¸. ´¨ (¸.(¸.´ `.¸).¸)
Posted: 1/20/2005 6:16:47 PM

P: 1/20/2005 6:41:15 PM
noobie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,318 Last Post: 9/21/2007 Member Since: 3/3/2004	John wasn't there because he was too busy eating food somewhere else! P.S. Hope you don't mind, but I'm sure people love to see your smiling face
Posted: 1/20/2005 6:41:15 PM

P: 1/20/2005 6:57:50 PM
noobie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,318 Last Post: 9/21/2007 Member Since: 3/3/2004	Date: 1/20/2005 5:28:49 PM Author: valeria101 I was going to ask about ImaGem after reading the latest on AGA in the PS Diamond Journal . There is no sample report on the Imagem website as yet. How do they look ? And... how does this work ? Yes! We need more info Interested in the criteria for measurments as well as definitions of sparkel and intensity and any correlations to AGA cut class.
Posted: 1/20/2005 6:57:50 PM

P: 1/20/2005 7:00:48 PM
Matata Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,647 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 9/10/2003	Date: 1/20/2005 6:41:15 PM Author: noobie John wasn't there because he was too busy eating food somewhere else! P.S.  Hope you don't mind, but I'm sure people love to see your smiling face Frazier!!?? John is really Frazier?? ~~~~~~~~~~ There is only one way to achieve happiness on this terrestrial ball, and that is to have a clear conscience or none at all. Ogden Nash
Posted: 1/20/2005 7:00:48 PM

P: 1/20/2005 7:17:44 PM
belle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,287 Last Post: 4/3/2008 Member Since: 11/19/2004	Date: 1/20/2005 70:48 PM Author: Matata Date: 1/20/2005 6:41:15 PM Author: noobie John wasn't there because he was too busy eating food somewhere else! P.S.&nbsp; Hope you don't mind, but I'm sure people love to see your smiling face Frazier!!?? John is really Frazier?? i hope this is a compliment! (ready thine sword sir john, ye may have to run her through) (.¸(`.¸¸.´)¸.) ¨`.¸ belle¸. ´¨ (¸.(¸.´ `.¸).¸)
Posted: 1/20/2005 7:17:44 PM

P: 1/20/2005 7:21:02 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Where is the lighting model listed so the results can be verified by other means? Without the lighting model its just another black box that we are supposed to believe in. No thanks. The color grading is interesting but I put no more weight in the light return readings than I do the B-scope or isee2. Interesting but not very informative. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/20/2005 7:21:02 PM

P: 1/20/2005 7:24:29 PM
Pricescope Administrator Total Posts: 8,265 Last Post: 1/5/2008 Member Since: 1/1/2000	I'm with Storm We need more info and independent review. To hangout it goes... Pricescope
Posted: 1/20/2005 7:24:29 PM

P: 1/20/2005 7:52:39 PM
Hest88 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,681 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 1/22/2003	Personally, I just think John is smart enough not to try to compete with that gorgeous gal of his.
Posted: 1/20/2005 7:52:39 PM

P: 1/20/2005 9:03:28 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	Date: 1/20/2005 7:212 PM Author: strmrdr Where is the lighting model listed so the results can be verified by other means? Without the lighting model its just another black box that we are supposed to believe in. No thanks. The color grading is interesting but I put no more weight in the light return readings than I do the B-scope or isee2. Interesting but not very informative. Strm, Dave should have the first shot at explaining the innards. He was kind enough to have us out... I'm sure details will follow, bud. The intent is to share the photos with all of you and thank Dave for hosting. That's why at the top I mentioned it would probably get moved to DH. I know as much as you right now - and am anxious to hear more from the people in attendance. John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 1/20/2005 9:03:28 PM

P: 1/20/2005 9:07:58 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	Date: 1/20/2005 70:48 PM Author: Matata Frazier!!?? John is really Frazier?? Matata, though the cut is similar there are subtle differences. I took the liberty of running Kelsey Grammar and myself through Dave's Imagem machine to illustrate. John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 1/20/2005 9:07:58 PM

P: 1/20/2005 9:09:02 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	John, While there did you run a diamond thru it that Brian had color graded to see if the color grade matched what Brian graded it at? Run some ACA's and some ES stones to see if it picked up the difference? Or did ya all say wow kewl machine lets eat? :} lol ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/20/2005 9:09:02 PM

P: 1/20/2005 9:15:09 PM
perry Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,782 Last Post: 11/16/2009 Member Since: 9/19/2004	Thanks John: The mirror trick works as I understand that the Diagem machine has a mirror in it. I too am awaiting more information, and would like to see it stacked against other machines. However, the trend is in the right direction. Machines have so much less subjectivity to them. Hence, I fully belive that John will provide that Texas Hospitaility when I get his direction. Perry
Posted: 1/20/2005 9:15:09 PM

P: 1/20/2005 9:23:14 PM
Matata Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,647 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 9/10/2003	Date: 1/20/2005 97:58 PM Author: JohnQuixote Date: 1/20/2005 70:48 PM Author: Matata Frazier!!?? John is really Frazier?? Matata, though the cut is similar there are subtle differences. I took the liberty of running Kelsey Grammar and myself through Dave's Imagem machine to illustrate. Ah yes, incontrovertible evidence that you cannot see differences in specimens until they are side-by-side. For the record, I'd choose you over Kelsey any day ~~~~~~~~~~ There is only one way to achieve happiness on this terrestrial ball, and that is to have a clear conscience or none at all. Ogden Nash
Posted: 1/20/2005 9:23:14 PM

P: 1/20/2005 10:08:25 PM
JohnQuixote Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,212 Last Post: 5/24/2008 Member Since: 9/9/2004	Date: 1/20/2005 992 PM Author: strmrdr John, While there did you run a diamond thru it that Brian had color graded to see if the color grade matched what Brian graded it at? Run some ACA's and some ES stones to see if it picked up the difference? Or did ya all say wow kewl machine lets eat? :} lol Brian took some sample stones from his vault. He selected them late last night, so I don't know what he decided on. Haven't had time to put the halogens on him and debrief him yet John __________________________ John Pollard Whiteflash Director of Education 2004-2007
Posted: 1/20/2005 10:08:25 PM

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