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HELP!!! which asscher(square emerald) looks best?!

P: 1/11/2005 7:01:07 PM
jenks Rough Rock Total Posts: 40 Last Post: 11/28/2006 Member Since: 1/11/2005	-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- here are two square emeralds for which i believe i will choose one to purchase. i have seen the 1.31 pic and idealscope image.looks great...the 1.19 is coming tomorrow and will see pics then. which one looks the best to you.your response is much appreciated since i will be buying in the next day or two. thanks much matt #1 sq. emerald 1.31 GIA J (faces up like an H) VVS2 6.0x5.87x4.26 D-72.6 T-63.4 Pav Depth - 53.8 Crown-15.3 girdle- thick pol-v.good sym-good flo-none $3800 #2 sq.emerald 1.19 GIA I SI1 (completely eyeclean) 5.91x5.89x3.98 depth- 67.6 table-63.4 pav. depth-47.2 crown-15.7 pol-ex sym-gd flo-none girdle-thick $4000
Posted: 1/11/2005 7:01:07 PM

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P: 1/11/2005 8:34:48 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	I wouldnt consider either one but then again im real fussy when it comes to asschers. With asschers the bottom line is eyeballs. Concentric squares? 10 mile deep look under indirect lighting? Pleasing outline and as close to square as possible? fire under direct lighting? The good symetry is a downgrade on a stone that lives by being well cut on both of them. J facing up like an h in an asscher? bleh asschers show more body color than rounds so I dont believe it. Gia isnt likely to be 2 color grades off. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/11/2005 8:34:48 PM

P: 1/11/2005 9:16:25 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=23548 ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/11/2005 9:16:25 PM

P: 1/12/2005 8:37:18 AM
Bakerboy Rough Rock Total Posts: 4 Last Post: 1/12/2005 Member Since: 12/23/2004	I agree with Strdrmr...I just bought an "I" 1.63 Asscher and that 'looked' like an H, but I could tell a G from an I ( side by side). From my experience you need to go lower on the table, 63 + is getting a bit high (IMHO), try to stay very low 60's, upper 50's. A few percentage points can make a huge difference. These stones can sparkle, as confirmed by all the people who have seen her ring ! and as Strdrmr stated, you need to see the stones. I was able to do this readily as I am in the New York City area.
Posted: 1/12/2005 8:37:18 AM

P: 1/12/2005 8:40:36 AM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	Date: 1/11/2005 8:34:48 PM Author: strmrdr I wouldnt consider either one but then again im real fussy when it comes to asschers. With asschers the bottom line is eyeballs. Concentric squares? 10 mile deep look under indirect lighting? Pleasing outline and as close to square as possible? fire under direct lighting? The good symetry is a downgrade on a stone that lives by being well cut on both of them. J facing up like an h in an asscher? bleh asschers show more body color than rounds so I dont believe it. Gia isnt likely to be 2 color grades off. strmrdr: you must have an asscher yourself? have you ever poste dit anywhere? would love to see it if so?
Posted: 1/12/2005 8:40:36 AM

P: 1/12/2005 9:11:10 AM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	windowshopper, Not at this time. My wifey2b's upgrade will be one how ever. What got me started on them is I saw an old Asscher asscher at a resale shop and it was awesome. So iv studied all of them I can get my hands on as well as everything I can find online about them. Time after time the best looking ones fell into the guidlines I posted on PS. It is also close to how they were originaly designed to be cut. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/12/2005 9:11:10 AM

P: 1/12/2005 9:15:32 AM
windowshopper Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,023 Last Post: 7/25/2006 Member Since: 7/11/2004	Date: 1/12/2005 9:11:10 AM Author: strmrdr windowshopper, Not at this time. My wifey2b's upgrade will be one how ever. What got me started on them is I saw an old Asscher asscher at a resale shop and it was awesome. So iv studied all of them I can get my hands on as well as everything I can find online about them. Time after time the best looking ones fell into the guidlines I posted on PS. It is also close to how they were originaly designed to be cut. will you try for an old stone or would you be okay with an asscher in the form of a modern well cut square emerald?
Posted: 1/12/2005 9:15:32 AM

P: 1/12/2005 12:44:11 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	With those numbers I'd bet on I/SI... hoping to see those famed concentric steps. Those high crowns sound encouraging anyway, bet either is a nice stone. Any chance to see them side by side ? Some of the sellers posting here would provide such photos, but I cannot know how common this practice is. These guys seem to put allot of work in their photography skills and gear to be able to go that far. Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 1/12/2005 12:44:11 PM

P: 1/12/2005 3:00:31 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Date: 1/12/2005 9:15:32 AM Author: windowshopper Date: 1/12/2005 9:11:10 AM Author: strmrdr windowshopper, Not at this time. My wifey2b's upgrade will be one how ever. What got me started on them is I saw an old Asscher asscher at a resale shop and it was awesome. So iv studied all of them I can get my hands on as well as everything I can find online about them. Time after time the best looking ones fell into the guidlines I posted on PS. It is also close to how they were originaly designed to be cut. will you try for an old stone or would you be okay with an asscher in the form of a modern well cut square emerald? Im cheap and buy used when I can that said finding one would be luck more than anything so an old one would be kewl. I like the more lightly clipped cornered square shape slightly better so one of the modern ones if im paying new prices. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/12/2005 3:00:31 PM

P: 1/12/2005 3:28:04 PM
jenks Rough Rock Total Posts: 40 Last Post: 11/28/2006 Member Since: 1/11/2005	With those numbers I'd bet on I/SI... hoping to see those famed concentric steps. Those high crowns sound encouraging anyway, bet either is a nice stone. Any chance to see them side by side ? Some of the sellers posting here would provide such photos, but I cannot know how common this practice is. These guys seem to put allot of work in their photography skills and gear to be able to go that far. Ana i am currently working on the pics...should have them in a few. matt
Posted: 1/12/2005 3:28:04 PM

P: 1/12/2005 7:36:39 PM
jenks Rough Rock Total Posts: 40 Last Post: 11/28/2006 Member Since: 1/11/2005	here are the two pics of the diamonds below. maybe this can help as far as comparing the two. thanks- matt
Posted: 1/12/2005 7:36:39 PM

P: 1/12/2005 7:41:36 PM
pearcrazy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,438 Last Post: 11/27/2008 Member Since: 5/16/2004	I know nothing about Asshers. I'm just giving my opinion about which one looks better to my eyes. I'd choose the second 1.19 diamond. The first one seems to have an illusion of a black hole in the middle. The second one is more interesting to my eyes. I like the "busier" look of the second diamond, it just seems more lively. "Have you ever noticed, anyone going slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac"--George Carlin
Posted: 1/12/2005 7:41:36 PM

P: 1/12/2005 7:46:09 PM
orange_horse_fiance Rough Rock Total Posts: 61 Last Post: 5/4/2006 Member Since: 12/23/2004	I wouldn't even consider the larger one. It is missing the possibility of LOTS of sparkle. This is just going off the pics. and the stats provided. I am no expert, but I do own an asscher and have been able to conclude what is more and less desireable in our own search. I would say to continue to hold out if you can for an even better stone. I was impatient myself, but the perfect one did come around. OHF
Posted: 1/12/2005 7:46:09 PM

P: 1/12/2005 8:03:07 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	The 1.19 is the better cut stone hands down. How eyeclean is it? asschers are often set in open settings and unlike some diamonds actualy look neat from the side so someone might be looking at them that way more than some stones. If your going to put into a more closed setting then just worry about face up clarity. There are better ones out there but that 1.19 looks pretty decent. Can you get a sarin? the cutlet looks slightly off center but it looks like there might be a slight tilt too that would make it look like it was when it wasnt. The 1.31 is pukey. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/12/2005 8:03:07 PM

P: 1/12/2005 8:23:14 PM
jenks Rough Rock Total Posts: 40 Last Post: 11/28/2006 Member Since: 1/11/2005	yeah, i noticed that the cutlet is off center and the sarin justifies that. here is a copy of that....as well as the setting i want the diamond to be placed in.
Posted: 1/12/2005 8:23:14 PM

P: 1/12/2005 8:29:04 PM
jenks Rough Rock Total Posts: 40 Last Post: 11/28/2006 Member Since: 1/11/2005	here is the setting... i want the top to look like this http://www.niceice.com/jewelry/danielk/boxter_ring_asscher/boxter_153t.jpg and the sides of the setting to look like this....i like the fact that the stone is set up high here instead of actually being almost part of the setting...setting it high makes the stone and its unique shape stand out to me. the view from the side i want is #2 single band, not like the split that is shown. is there a certain type of shape asscher that would draw one more to the stone itself than the setting? http://www.chadallison.com/pave_jewelry_detail.asp?c=rings&id=29650#
Posted: 1/12/2005 8:29:04 PM

P: 1/12/2005 8:37:52 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Honestly id keep looking the 1.19 isnt that bad other than being off center. Thats the pattern your looking for just centered and a little more even. ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/12/2005 8:37:52 PM

P: 1/12/2005 8:41:27 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	A properly cut asscher will draw your eyes and seemingly your mind into its depth. There isnt really anyway for a picture to capture it but you can see if the parts are there for it to happen. Add some sparkle with a high crown for direct light conditions and yowsers! ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 1/12/2005 8:41:27 PM

P: 1/12/2005 9:37:17 PM
sciencegeek Cut Rock Total Posts: 233 Last Post: 1/28/2005 Member Since: 10/27/2004	I vote for neither stone. My personal preference is for a more prominent windmill pattern- the 1.31 has essentially no windmill, and the 1.19 is okay but not great. Maybe the off-center culet is not noticeable by eye, but this cut lives and dies by a symmetrical concentric square pattern and it's sure obvious in the photo. good luck finding an awesome stone, it can be done!
Posted: 1/12/2005 9:37:17 PM

P: 1/13/2005 10:26:34 AM
jenks Rough Rock Total Posts: 40 Last Post: 11/28/2006 Member Since: 1/11/2005	thanks for all of your help. all of your insight is much appreciated. it looks like it is back to the drawing board and the search continues for the right stone!
Posted: 1/13/2005 10:26:34 AM

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