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I think I found it!!! - What do you think? |
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| P: 9/3/2004 7:58:03 PM | |
hughmcg Rough Rock Total Posts: 8 Last Post: 9/7/2004 Member Since: 8/28/2004 |
Hi All:
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| Posted: 9/3/2004 7:58:03 PM | |
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There are 12 replies to this message. There are 12 replies on this page. |
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| P: 9/3/2004 8:03:25 PM | |
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SeanSD Rough Rock Total Posts: 21 Last Post: 10/11/2004 Member Since: 8/24/2004 |
Sounds like a beauty and a good price. What lab graded it?
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| Posted: 9/3/2004 8:03:25 PM | |
| P: 9/4/2004 7:53:12 AM | |
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hughmcg Rough Rock Total Posts: 8 Last Post: 9/7/2004 Member Since: 8/28/2004 |
EGL USA. I hope you're right. Anybody else? What am I missing?
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| Posted: 9/4/2004 7:53:12 AM | |
| P: 9/4/2004 11:32:36 AM | |
quaeritur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,238 Last Post: 2/3/2005 Member Since: 3/12/2004 |
OK, you asked for brutality, so here ya go. I wouldn't buy this stone IF I were looking for a top performer out there, because: 1. Diameter seems too small for the carat weight. Should be close to 7.4mm 2. I don't like the girdle variance from medium to thick. One grade difference is OK with me, but I don't like more than that. 3. Polish and symmetry are only "good" 4. The HCA is calibrated to work for a SYMMETRICAL diamond with VERY GOOD polish. So there's no guarantee that the great HCA score you got will actually apply to this particular stone! 5. Too much diameter variance for my taste at .08mm So, that's just my opinion. If you're looking for a decent stone, but not tops, this may work just fine for you. I just thought I'd give you the perspective of the ultimate perfectionist  !
quaeritur |
| Posted: 9/4/2004 11:32:36 AM | |
| P: 9/4/2004 3:01:25 PM | |
Todd07 Cut Rock Total Posts: 455 Last Post: 3/17/2005 Member Since: 8/17/2004 |
Can you get an ideal-scope or firescope image of the diamond? it's a great way to verify the symmetry and light return, and should show any problems with the girdle.
Todd(aka Ricardo, aka Cowboy) |
| Posted: 9/4/2004 3:01:25 PM | |
| P: 9/5/2004 1:45:51 AM | |
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003 |
---------------- And so the "super ideal" RBS was born to look good up to the second decimal! If you can see that tenth of a mm, congratulations - I cannot.It's much better to see the thing - since this is a round with ideal proportions, it should have tops light return 'cause this is what it was cut for. Hope there is an Iscope pic too  Even without one, the stats are great and the diamond worth ordering to take a look. There are slim chances that it woud not hold it's own againt a branded Harts and Arrows, IMO.Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian] |
| Posted: 9/5/2004 1:45:51 AM | |
| P: 9/5/2004 10:33:28 AM | |
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hughmcg Rough Rock Total Posts: 8 Last Post: 9/7/2004 Member Since: 8/28/2004 |
Thanks for the reply. I saw the stone yesterday and it really jumped out at me. I have been looking for a while, but this was the first one (within my CCCC parameters, etc.) that I've seen with this much color - like it was animated. It was interesting for me to see visuals backing up the numbers. It was actually $7,200 for the stone. I sent it out for an independant appraisal and will see next week if it is all that. At the end of the day, it is a beautiful stone. I will report back if independant appraisal backs it up. Thanks again.
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| Posted: 9/5/2004 10:33:28 AM | |
| P: 9/5/2004 5:57:02 PM | |
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quaeritur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,238 Last Post: 2/3/2005 Member Since: 3/12/2004 |
Ana- My eye can't see the difference between a 40.9 and a 42.5 degree angle either... doesn't mean I'd recommend the latter for a pavilion -well, not without a correspondingly shallow crown, anyway. My point being that even "small" variations in diameter can translate into more noticeable variations in symmetry (and this stone rated a "good" in that department) -and those might be noticeable to the naked eye.Hughmcg asked for brutally honest opinions, that's what I gave. I think the best time for that is before the purchase. Still, the most important thing is that he saw this stone with his own eyes and liked it, so obviously .08mm didn't matter in this case! 
quaeritur |
| Posted: 9/5/2004 5:57:02 PM | |
| P: 9/6/2004 7:58:01 AM | |
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hughmcg Rough Rock Total Posts: 8 Last Post: 9/7/2004 Member Since: 8/28/2004 |
Again, thanks. I was/am looking for that kind of feedback from those more expert than me (everybody on this list!). With the dimensions I had, I thought I had a very good diamond (not tops), but at one worth the investment and one that my wife and I enjoy looking at for the rest of our married lives, which having seen it I now know we will. The latter said, I want to make sure I'm not just another magpie getting ripped off because I saw something twinkly. I'll probably get the thing firescoped (yes? no? Does it matter?), but if all I have is the info at hand confirmed, do I have a good stone? For instance, I thought the diameter seemed a bit small too, but the thing had so much fire it looked as large as other 1.5's with larger diameters. You guys are great by the way and have made this a fascinating education. Merci!
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| Posted: 9/6/2004 7:58:01 AM | |
| P: 9/6/2004 12:33:35 PM | |
wanderlost Cut Rock Total Posts: 124 Last Post: 9/15/2004 Member Since: 11/3/2003 |
I'm not sure about the price as I haven't really checked out anything in this range before, but I would encourage you to verify for yourself that it is eyeclean (although it shouldn't be a problem for a VS2, and even though EGL was somewhat redeemed in the lab vs. lab grading (see the pricescope front page - just check it out... make sure none of the inclusions interfere with light return, etc.)... I won't knock it for the girdle variance (although it could be a problem) as amazing symmetry can be there even if the numbers don't say so (the numbers are sarin numbers (stone measurement numbers), and may or may not reflect what the actual visual symmetry will be. I agree the stone is a little deep & may show a little body color from the side (depending how you have it set & in what metal you have it set in), but I'd say it's definately worth a peek in person. With Fire/Scin Ex'd out.... it may be one heck of a diamond. (then again, with the deepness of the stone & the thick girdle it almost appears as if the cutter was REALLY trying to get this one over the 1.5 ct. mark.... I wonder a bit about the inclusions (esp. if there are any near the surface) and the symmetry/performance on stones like this.... sorry to throw this on the end, just wanted to review everything before I posted & I noticed it....) Check it out & post of pics (esp. with an IdealScope) if you can. Good Luck.
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| Posted: 9/6/2004 12:33:35 PM | |
| P: 9/6/2004 2:08:58 PM | |
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valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003 |
---------------- Sure so, but those angles become visible 'cause of their optic effects. I am not so sure that diameter variation has the same effect - one could match the angle sjust so arround an off-round outline in theory and it seems that this stone could be attractive. The HCA does not take into account this (off round) variations of symmetry... Of course a model like this fits best the most precisely symmetrical diam)ond, but wouldn't it be a pitty to only use the HCA and Scopes to tell AGS0's from H&As? Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian] |
| Posted: 9/6/2004 2:08:58 PM | |
| P: 9/6/2004 5:30:04 PM | |
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quaeritur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,238 Last Post: 2/3/2005 Member Since: 3/12/2004 |
Hi hughmcg- I think the most important thing is that you like it. I ran a search here on PS for comparable stones, and your price looks pretty good. My guess is that the thicker girdle is where the weight is, but if it has really good light return around the edges, then you're not losing out to a larger diameter, necessarily. If you're concerned about light leakage, then you could take a look at it with an IdealScope, but ultimately, it sounds to me like you already know this stone looks pretty. So, if you and your wife like it, then it sounds like a good purchase to me!
quaeritur |
| Posted: 9/6/2004 5:30:04 PM | |
| P: 9/7/2004 9:22:56 AM | |
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hughmcg Rough Rock Total Posts: 8 Last Post: 9/7/2004 Member Since: 8/28/2004 |
Quaeritur Thanks for you replies. Yours really was the type of feedback I was looking for. I ran the numbers and it looked good, but being the newbie that I am, I wanted to hear from people like you for the "yeah, buts". So again, thanks for the honest feedback. Cheers, Hugh
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| Posted: 9/7/2004 9:22:56 AM | |
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