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To Buy, Or Not To Buy? That is the question. |
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| P: 8/17/2004 10:57:42 PM | |
kcc Rough Rock Total Posts: 10 Last Post: 4/3/2005 Member Since: 8/15/2004 |
Hello pricescope! Long time lurker, first time post.  I am considering a Brilliant Round diamond purchase. Please look over specs below. Any input appreciated....Would you Buy? And if so, what would you be willing to pay? (ballpark) Clarity: VVS2 Color: E Weight: 1.05 Measurements: 6.57 - 6.59 x 4.02 mm Depth: 61.1% Table: 55.7% Crown Angle: 34.4 Pavillion Angle 40.8 Pavillion Depth: 43.1% Girdle: Medium Faceted Fluorescence: None Cutlet: 0.4% Girdle Min: 1.1% Girdle Max: 1.4% Certification: GIA Thanks in advance!  |
| Posted: 8/17/2004 10:57:42 PM | |
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There are 17 replies to this message. There are 17 replies on this page. |
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| P: 8/18/2004 1:10:27 AM | |
quaeritur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,238 Last Post: 2/3/2005 Member Since: 3/12/2004 |
Looks like you did your homework, and like it could be a gorgeous stone by the #s. Do you have pictures, or an IS image to confirm how it looks? As for price, I guess somewhere in the 9-10K range?
quaeritur |
| Posted: 8/18/2004 1:10:27 AM | |
| P: 8/18/2004 1:22:07 AM | |
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yowahking Cut Rock Total Posts: 317 Last Post: 11/13/2004 Member Since: 8/16/2004 |
Looks like a great diamond so far. Take one thing into consideration, a diamond that nice should also have an AGS cert or at least a Sarin report as GIA leaves off critical information about how well it is cut. A stone that nice on paper should really pop. If not, it is a great stone for the internet and jewelers have already passed many times on it. If it gets a sarin report of a 1 cut or triple zero cut or gets the same with AGS, expect to pay straight rap or 10% under. Without it, pay no more than 15% under rap. Scott Scott Bohall |
| Posted: 8/18/2004 1:22:07 AM | |
| P: 8/18/2004 9:33:33 AM | |
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kcc Rough Rock Total Posts: 10 Last Post: 4/3/2005 Member Since: 8/15/2004 |
Thank you quaeritur and yowahking!! I do not have any pics, but there was a few things I left out. The polish and Sym are both EX/EX, and the Brilliance Scope results are as follows: White: VH Color: VH Scintillation: VH I should have also mentioned that this an H&A diamond. 
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| Posted: 8/18/2004 9:33:33 AM | |
| P: 8/18/2004 9:36:38 AM | |
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kcc Rough Rock Total Posts: 10 Last Post: 4/3/2005 Member Since: 8/15/2004 |
Yowahking - To answer your question, the Sarin report came out a zero (0) cut grade. 
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| Posted: 8/18/2004 9:36:38 AM | |
| P: 8/18/2004 10:15:23 AM | |
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002 |
---------------- Again, Oh really? Exactly which jewelers have passed on this stone & why? As mentioned it is an AGS0
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| Posted: 8/18/2004 10:15:23 AM | |
| P: 8/18/2004 10:56:29 AM | |
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quaeritur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,238 Last Post: 2/3/2005 Member Since: 3/12/2004 |
I see nothing not to like about this stone!
quaeritur |
| Posted: 8/18/2004 10:56:29 AM | |
| P: 8/18/2004 11:36:56 AM | |
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kcc Rough Rock Total Posts: 10 Last Post: 4/3/2005 Member Since: 8/15/2004 |
---------------- Yowahking........Maybe I misunderstood, but why would you say that the stone has been passed many times? I am working with a pricescope recommended internet vendor and not a local jeweler. What exactly about the properties of the stone leads you to believe that the stone was passed on by other jewelers? Please clarify........
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| Posted: 8/18/2004 11:36:56 AM | |
| P: 8/18/2004 1:41:36 PM | |
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fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002 |
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| Posted: 8/18/2004 1:41:36 PM | |
| P: 8/18/2004 1:42:54 PM | |
aljdewey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,236 Last Post: 2/11/2008 Member Since: 11/25/2002 |
---------------- KCC, any suggestion by Yowahking or anyone else that online diamonds are "passed over" by mainstream retail jewelers is just a bunch of tripe. While many many retail jewelers are completely above board and honest, there are some percentage of jewelers who don't bring any sales skills to the table. They don't know how to position their services to justify the higher margin charged at the retail level. Because they lack imagination on how to put forth their positive traits, and because they are *threatened* by the competition from online sources, they resort to instilling fear in potential customers about possible flaws or quality issues......which completely don't exist. When I was shopping last winter for our diamond, two jewelers fed me this B.S., too. It's completely untrue. Regarding your intial question, the diamond on paper looks to be amazing. An independent appraisal (which most people need for insurance purposes anyway) would confirm that the diamond performs as the numbers suggest it should. I can't help on price - that's a range I don't shop in (E/vvs) _____________________ |
| Posted: 8/18/2004 1:42:54 PM | |
| P: 8/18/2004 1:46:24 PM | |
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fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002 |
But Al, don't you know that ALL internet diamonds are set in China or India? 
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| Posted: 8/18/2004 1:46:24 PM | |
| P: 8/18/2004 9:14:27 PM | |
Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,218 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004 |
---------------- kcc, i wouldnt' worry about what yowahking said. there is a good chance this stone was offered to GOG by the manufacture. and jonathan probably had the first shot of buying it. what he's saying is b.s. the reason retail stores would likely pass on this stone is ,because 90% of the time they only carry poorly cut stones. not top ideal cut like this one. so go for it ,nothing to worry about. it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone. |
| Posted: 8/18/2004 9:14:27 PM | |
| P: 8/18/2004 9:37:38 PM | |
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yowahking Cut Rock Total Posts: 317 Last Post: 11/13/2004 Member Since: 8/16/2004 |
Wow, you really get your feathers ruffled easy. If you look at what I said, it is true. For instance, this stone is an AGS 0, how many stones in the market are cut that well? 1% or less. Everyone whether an online source or a chain, or an indendent jeweler would love to sell only top cut 8 star diamonds. The reality is that 99% of diamonds do not hit that mark. Most diamonds on the internet have been shopped. Why would anyone wait for a buyer if they could make a quick phone call and sell it to another dealer or store, they would. The only reason for waiting is to get more money, or there is something about the stone that dealers and jewelers would pass on. That is why you see so many old certs around. If the people on this site who are selling would not get so ruflled about comments and listen. I am not selling, so why not let the public know about the rest of the story. Of course you do not have to agree, but you who are in the selling game may also know Arthur Skuratowicz who is the director of education of Jeweles of America and a former intructor at GIA, and considered an expert on gem treatments, also has issues with how things are often reperesented not only on line but by jewelers. The more the public knows, the more they can decide for themselves where to shop. Go ahead and disagree with anything said, but to attack me without any knowledge of who I am and what I know, is silly. If it makes you feel better, go ahead. I am a big boy and can handle it, but it will not prevent truth from coming out.
Scott Bohall |
| Posted: 8/18/2004 9:37:38 PM | |
| P: 8/18/2004 9:44:50 PM | |
wanderlost Cut Rock Total Posts: 124 Last Post: 9/15/2004 Member Since: 11/3/2003 |
Funny... I just finished reading this article & it came up right away. If you're using rap sheets as a guide to what you should be paying, you might want to read this article from the Q&A section
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| Posted: 8/18/2004 9:44:50 PM | |
| P: 8/18/2004 10:44:04 PM | |
reena Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,531 Last Post: 8/22/2005 Member Since: 7/13/2004 |
hmmm. i have a law degree and everything, but this whole discussion is kind of zooming way over my head. what's the (perceived) suggestion--that diamonds sold on the internet are those that retail jewelers didn't want? 
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| Posted: 8/18/2004 10:44:04 PM | |
| P: 8/19/2004 12:15:34 AM | |
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Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,218 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004 |
yowahking, i quote you "Everyone whether an online source or a chain, or an indendent jeweler would love to sell only top cut 8 star diamonds." that's a pretty strong statement. wink who post on here, he's an 8* dealer. he also carries other ideal cut stones. i have nothing against 8*; i have seen a few of them. they are different style of cuts, if i had to chose between a 8* and a nice top H&A cut stone, i would probably have trouble deciding. they are both beautiful in their own rights. but to say that every dealer would love to sell it is a mis-assumption. you think every consumer would pay that extra preminum for an 8*? p.s...are you saying the internet vendors get all the rejected stones that other retail jewelers passed on ? sure would like to hear some comments from the internet vendors. it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone. |
| Posted: 8/19/2004 12:15:34 AM | |
| P: 8/19/2004 1:32:21 AM | |
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quaeritur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,238 Last Post: 2/3/2005 Member Since: 3/12/2004 |
Perhaps to bring this discussion to a more constructive level, yowahking would take a moment to look at the specific stone being considered here, and give us all the benefit of his knowledge. Perhaps he sees something about what looks to me like an amazing diamond that the rest of us are just missing... something that would cause any self-respecting jeweler to pass it over. While I like to see alternative perspectives on this forum, I'm not finding this one helpful or educational up to this point. It would be more interesting to me to deal in specifics than generalizations, and since we have a stone with extensive qualitative analysis, it seems to be the perfect opportunity for a dispassionate and objective evaluation. Unless, of course, that's not the agenda here  .
quaeritur |
| Posted: 8/19/2004 1:32:21 AM | |
| P: 8/19/2004 9:10:11 AM | |
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fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002 |
---------------- Oh really? EVERYONE? Yet another blanket statement. But, I know - NOBODY knows the truth except for you.
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| Posted: 8/19/2004 9:10:11 AM | |
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