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How are these inclusions?...side angle views |
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| P: 8/5/2004 9:26:44 PM | |
sheckrock Rough Rock Total Posts: 29 Last Post: 8/16/2004 Member Since: 8/4/2004 |
How are these inclusions?...side angle views
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| Posted: 8/5/2004 9:26:44 PM | |
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There are 9 replies to this message. There are 9 replies on this page. |
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| P: 8/5/2004 9:39:03 PM | |
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
what inclusions? ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 8/5/2004 9:39:03 PM | |
| P: 8/5/2004 10:03:53 PM | |
quaeritur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,238 Last Post: 2/3/2005 Member Since: 3/12/2004 |
yeah, what strmrdr said... what inclusions???
quaeritur |
| Posted: 8/5/2004 10:03:53 PM | |
| P: 8/6/2004 10:00:16 AM | |
oldminer Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,964 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 9/4/2000 |
I think I see three small inclsuions near or in the girdle. None of them look too threatening. I circled them in green. Are they the ones you are referring to? David S. Atlas |
| Posted: 8/6/2004 10:00:16 AM | |
| P: 8/6/2004 11:44:09 AM | |
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sheckrock Rough Rock Total Posts: 29 Last Post: 8/16/2004 Member Since: 8/4/2004 |
Actually, I didn't see those. They barely showed up on the AGS cert that I printed off the web. The cert shows a couple inclusions right around the middle of the stone. I was told that it would be very difficult to see these from the top. I was also told that it would be very hard, although possible, to see these from the bottom. By the way, I'm sure you can tell that this is a magnified picture. I'd hope that the ones on the girdle will be hidden somewhat by the prong setting, though, I really don't know. I think I'm actually going to go with a vs1 stone instead of this vs2, mostly because I'm buying it online and can't actually see the stone. I know we can return them, but it takes too much of my time/money. I sacrificed the performance of the angles a little for the clarity. I really appreciate your advise though, I would not have seen those.
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| Posted: 8/6/2004 11:44:09 AM | |
| P: 8/6/2004 12:37:30 PM | |
JimDiamond Cut Rock Total Posts: 131 Last Post: 6/25/2007 Member Since: 6/27/2004 |
Experts will tell you that you will rarely see an inclusion in an SI1 stone (or even SI2) with the naked eye and they're right. As a recent purchaser I can tell you that if the inclusions are feathers or pinpoints or clouds and the stone is SI2 or above you'll never be able to see them with the naked eye. If the inclusion is a crystal it will likely appear black and that you may be able to see with the naked eye (although with difficulty) in an SI stone. I own such a stone (SI1) and I could live without the black inclusion, but I'm the only one who can really see it anyway. You're never going to see the inclusions in a VS2 stone. If you want to feel comfortable just avoid stones with crystals and buy a VS2 stone. I promise you you'll never see an inclusion with the naked eye or even with slight magnification. You'll have trouble seeing them at 10X. It's at about 15x that it starts to get a little easier. You should spend your money on cut (the most important as long as the other C's are in a reasonable range), color and carat and save on clarity. If you're like me and you're still not sure, go see stones at a local jeweler. That's what convinced me. It also convinced me that there was no way I was buying a diamond from a brick and mortar store (way too many $$$$). I did buy a lovely setting from a local jeweler because I was not going to risk buying one from a photograph. I just read the last part of your post. Don't sacrifice the angles and the cut for a VS1 stone! You'll never see the difference in clarity, but the cut may very well make a difference in the brilliance! Jim Diamond |
| Posted: 8/6/2004 12:37:30 PM | |
| P: 8/6/2004 2:34:23 PM | |
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sheckrock Rough Rock Total Posts: 29 Last Post: 8/16/2004 Member Since: 8/4/2004 |
My guess is that you are right, but the thing is that the difference in angles was only about 0.1-0.5. Having said that, and since the sarin machine at the AGS or anywhere else is not absolute proof of those angles (because machines can be calibrated differnetly or use different machines), I decided to go with the VS1. what this is really about: My dad recently got re-married and bought my step-mom a huge 2ct-2.5ct diamond ring with S inclusions. It was big alright...a big piece of crap if you ask me. Sorry dad, but that stone scared me for life. I just couldn't justify the price for something that big, when, if you look just a little closely, you can easily see several lines in the stone. I don't care if it was bought from a "hook-up". Now, of course, I have a problem with inclusions. I don't think I have superman eyes, but I can't stand to see the inclusions that I saw in my step-mom's ring. So, with only 0.1-0.5 differnce in angles, I think I'm gonna take the VS1.
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| Posted: 8/6/2004 2:34:23 PM | |
| P: 8/6/2004 3:23:07 PM | |
nicknomo Cut Rock Total Posts: 197 Last Post: 12/12/2005 Member Since: 6/26/2004 |
The bigger the diamond, the bigger the inclusions. What I mean by this is a 2.5 ct Si2 Would have inclusions that could be I1 or even I2 on a 1 ct stone. A 1 ct Vs2 inclusion would not even be close to the size of the inclusions on an Si2 2.5 ct stone. I emplore you to go to a jewelery store, and look at some certified diamonds of the size you desire and observe a few Vs2 and Si1 stones. Vs1 may be a little excessive on anything around 1 ct, as that should be pretty hard to see even with a loupe.
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| Posted: 8/6/2004 3:23:07 PM | |
| P: 8/6/2004 3:31:19 PM | |
Froof Rough Rock Total Posts: 54 Last Post: 8/25/2004 Member Since: 7/20/2004 |
I know what you mean, sheckrock. I am an absolute inclusion-phobe!  When I started shopping for diamonds, the jeweler I first went to tried to sell me an SI1, telling me that I'd never be able to see the inclusion with my bare eyes. Taking her word for it, I looked through the loop, and there was a nasty black crystal staring back at me from the edge of the table! Man, it was scary!  I then took a look at the stone without a loupe, and sure enough I could easily make it out. The jeweler didn't believe me, so she tried testing me. She rotated the diamond in the tweezers, gave it back to me, and asked me to locate the crystal. Now, I'm almost as blind as a blind cave fish (too many years of sitting in front of a computer) but I was able to pick out the inclusion in a snap, which apparently shocked her. Anyhow, to avoid future trauma, I decided, from that point on, to only shop for VS1--though I finally settled on an AGS VS2, which I've been told would have probably been a GIA VS1. Apparently, this was no fluke: http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=18107&sessionID=90A3B0387AAE42C9BD3028B85F11D9D0
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| Posted: 8/6/2004 3:31:19 PM | |
| P: 8/8/2004 3:26:08 PM | |
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JimDiamond Cut Rock Total Posts: 131 Last Post: 6/25/2007 Member Since: 6/27/2004 |
Froof, You just proved my point... Earlier I said that the only type of inclusion in an SI stone that you want to be especially careful of is a crystal. A crystal will often appear black (often called a "carbon spot") and may even be reflected through the diamond and appear as if it is multiple black spots. It does depend on the size and location of the crystal too. If it's not a "carbon spot" then I don't care how good your eyes are, you're not going to see it in a well cut SI1 diamond with no magnification. Oh and Nicknomo is right of course. It will be easier to see the inclusions in a larger stone. For stones over about 1.5 carats the story may be different. Jim Diamond |
| Posted: 8/8/2004 3:26:08 PM | |
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