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E Color too good???? Have to pick one this week!!!

P: 7/13/2004 1:11:06 PM
get_cut_not_ripped Cut Rock Total Posts: 126 Last Post: 4/1/2005 Member Since: 7/10/2004	Never thought I would be asking this, but I've found several diamonds, and have been advised to exclude the E color one due to the fact that my ($3000)Verragio setting has G/H VS princess stones set in it. I found several, all with at least triple excellents on HCA, none have any major inclusions to freak about, and I really need help deciding!!! All are pretty much eye-clean and beautiful. here they are 1.22ct I VS2, $5963 (Dirt Cheap Diamonds) 1.21ct I VS2, $6285 (9.8-ISee2) (Good Old Gold) 1.19ct I VS1, $6415 (9.7-ISee2) (Good Old Gold)
Posted: 7/13/2004 1:11:06 PM

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P: 7/13/2004 1:17:57 PM
researcher Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,440 Last Post: 5/26/2008 Member Since: 4/27/2004	Can you post the links so we can see all the specs for the stones? I personally would choose the stone with the best cut, one that faces up really white and has NO visible inclusions (ask if they can be seen from any angle). If you're deciding between the H and I colored stones, you're really not going to notice a difference in size!
Posted: 7/13/2004 1:17:57 PM

P: 7/13/2004 1:18:29 PM
Patty Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,031 Last Post: 6/4/2008 Member Since: 12/7/2003	The contrast between E and G/H might bother you so yes, I agree you should go for a lower color. What about G color stone? Did you not see any of those available?
Posted: 7/13/2004 1:18:29 PM

P: 7/13/2004 1:25:17 PM
get_cut_not_ripped Cut Rock Total Posts: 126 Last Post: 4/1/2005 Member Since: 7/10/2004	I originally was shooting for a 1.0ct+/-, and found several G Si1 in that category, and price range. I only started looking at the 1.18-1.22 after realizing that I could go to an I color and get a larger stone. If it would be better to go with G I can still do that. Budget is around $6000, and I'm really leaning toward GOG as the vendor, Charlie was great and spent over an hour on the phone w/me looking at various selections in detail. GOG does have G color, but I'd be back around a 1.0, which I'm fine with too....if color matters.
Posted: 7/13/2004 1:25:17 PM

P: 7/13/2004 1:30:48 PM
Patty Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,031 Last Post: 6/4/2008 Member Since: 12/7/2003	I would go for size over color! I just wondered why you jumped from an E to an H or I. I think an H would still give you the great size and look white. But if you want to go with GOG, the I will still be gorgeous, I'm sure.
Posted: 7/13/2004 1:30:48 PM

P: 7/13/2004 1:37:17 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,893 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	I would stick with an H personally...esp against G/H stones in a setting. I'm a stickler for that matching thing, plus with your budget there is no NEED to go to I to get more size. The 1.19 H seems like a nice contender, you keep the size that you'd have if you went to I but I personally do think there is a difference in color between H and I...though not really noticeable. Peace of mind? Got more info on the H stone? ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 7/13/2004 1:37:17 PM

P: 7/13/2004 1:43:06 PM
noobie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,318 Last Post: 9/21/2007 Member Since: 3/3/2004	I kinda like 1, 2 and 4. 1 is $400 less than 2 and looks like it could be great but is slightly out of round (not by very much) Here's another one that's slightly bigger and a little more (don't forget PS discount), but it could be a beauty. It's a G with a very nice spread and in WF's expert selection. Price is good, howver you need to make sure it's eye clean. If I was was buying that would be my first choice followed by 1 and 2 of yours. Kinda reminded me about Mara's diamond when I looked at it for some reason. http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-720070.htm#
Posted: 7/13/2004 1:43:06 PM

P: 7/13/2004 1:45:51 PM
get_cut_not_ripped Cut Rock Total Posts: 126 Last Post: 4/1/2005 Member Since: 7/10/2004	I have photos on both of these: the 1.16 H Si1 table: 56% depth: 61% crown: 35.0 pavil: 40.8 000-AGS Cert the 1.19 H Si1 table: 56% depth: 61.2% crown: 34.9 pavil: 40.8 000-AGS Cert Here's a couple from GOG: G, Si1 H Si1
Posted: 7/13/2004 1:45:51 PM

P: 7/13/2004 1:51:34 PM
kevinng Cut Rock Total Posts: 398 Last Post: 3/1/2008 Member Since: 6/10/2004	If I were in your shoes, I would pick this one: I VS2 If it is within your budget, a VS2 with inclusions near the girdle is safer. I think there's little chance anyone would spot the inclusions after it is set. Also, Jon is really anal about his diamonds, so you should be in good hands.
Posted: 7/13/2004 1:51:34 PM

P: 7/13/2004 2:02:20 PM
kevinng Cut Rock Total Posts: 398 Last Post: 3/1/2008 Member Since: 6/10/2004	I will pick the I VS2 over the G SI1. I would be worried about the inclusion in the middle of the G SI1. Also, the presence of blacks in the region I circled in yellow tends to yield higher fire and scintillation. Jon directed me to read an article on minor facets on his website, which seems to suggest this. There's plenty of blacks in the yellow region for the I VS2, but not the G SI1. Also, the length of the blacks between the arrows also contribute to fire and scintillation. Again, the I VS2 seems to do better. Just my 2 cents worth.
Posted: 7/13/2004 2:02:20 PM

P: 7/13/2004 2:10:21 PM
kevinng Cut Rock Total Posts: 398 Last Post: 3/1/2008 Member Since: 6/10/2004	This one you picked: H SI1 That's an excellent one too. It would be a good match with the color of the other diamonds in your ring. Think it's also cheaper? If you are comfortable with the smaller size, this would be a nice one.
Posted: 7/13/2004 2:10:21 PM

P: 7/13/2004 2:21:35 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,893 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	Its important to note that the scope images are hard to really compare because they are created using different instruments AND they are different lighting scenarios. Be sure to cover all the bases and get all information! ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 7/13/2004 2:21:35 PM

P: 7/13/2004 2:36:51 PM
get_cut_not_ripped Cut Rock Total Posts: 126 Last Post: 4/1/2005 Member Since: 7/10/2004	Ok, price not being an issue, I can handle the price on the I VS2, would I be better off with that H Si1? Is the 1.21 size worth the difference?
Posted: 7/13/2004 2:36:51 PM

P: 7/13/2004 2:42:59 PM
ame Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,452 Last Post: 2/7/2006 Member Since: 7/7/2004	Id go H/SI1 if you can find an eyeclean SI1. You can go bigger and have it still be gorgeous.
Posted: 7/13/2004 2:42:59 PM

P: 7/13/2004 2:48:22 PM
get_cut_not_ripped Cut Rock Total Posts: 126 Last Post: 4/1/2005 Member Since: 7/10/2004	There's also a G Si1 for $6275.... would this be better? http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_08ct_g_si1_h%26a1.htm
Posted: 7/13/2004 2:48:22 PM

P: 7/13/2004 3:04:00 PM
noobie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,318 Last Post: 9/21/2007 Member Since: 3/3/2004	---------------- On 7/13/2004 2:36:51 PM get_cut_not_ripped wrote: Ok, price not being an issue, I can handle the price on the I VS2, would I be better off with that H Si1? Is the 1.21 size worth the difference? ---------------- Are you asking about the 1.19 SI 1 H and the 1.21 I VS2? If they are both eye clean I would think that most people would have a hard time picking them apart, especially face up. A couple of things to think about: I believe, but haven't checked that SI1 H is more $/carat than VS2 I. Run a check on the PS search in that carat range to see. The 1.21 breaks the 1.20 carat mark which generally means a higher $/carat. Something else you may want to do if you are going with an appraiser is to have them both sent there and you can look at both with the appraiser and pick the one you like. The one you don't like, send back. I wouldn't really consider the 1.21 an upgrade from the 1.19, they are comparable. The 1.28 SI1 G, I posted is about $400 more than the VS2 I, but is 0.2 mm larger in spread, passes the psychological 1.25 carat mark and has a very sought after color clarity combo. However, I know nothing of that stone except through cursory surfing. I just thought it was a nice value ($/carat) if I was still in the market for that size.
Posted: 7/13/2004 3:04:00 PM

P: 7/13/2004 3:19:07 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	Hm... I wnader if the color grade of the stones in the setting even be an issue - those are much smaller than the center and in consequence just look different. Most likely none of the stones you picked would show any hint of color face up. Among the stones meantioned, it seems to me that the 1.21 I-VS2 at GOG wins among the H/Is. The color grade would not be of issue with me - have you seen any such stones to make sure E/F is not worth the trouble for you ? It should not be extremely hard to find a "sample". Given that the worse the cut the more the tint shows - there would be little room for error. Anyway, which pieces are you still considering of this long and twisted list ? Here's one more: 1.16 cts, E-SI1 Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 7/13/2004 3:19:07 PM

P: 7/14/2004 7:53:39 AM
get_cut_not_ripped Cut Rock Total Posts: 126 Last Post: 4/1/2005 Member Since: 7/10/2004	That one's great, but at $6985, it's really getting out of my price range. I had found an E Si1 already, at $6088, for a 1.0ct, so the extra $900 might be too much for me. I can maybe go up to $6400/$6500 range, but just don't want to get nuts here. My original budget was $5000, which I was able to find plenty with, uh, up until I started learning on this site, & now none of those are good enough, hence the upgrade to $6500 The Verragio setting has only .70ct total on the princess channel sets, under 10pts a piece. I'd like to get the best quality center stone just so long as it doesn't make the ring look bad. I was told by someone that the E color would just be too much for those G/H channel set stones. Honestly, the ring's great (don't think it's worth that outrageous price tag), and the stones set in it are just average. I shouldn't have to sacrifice a better center stone just on that account. I need to decide today or tomorrow at the latest, so please, someone take a look at those posted in this thread, and/or others you might know about, and let's make a ring! Thanks!
Posted: 7/14/2004 7:53:39 AM

P: 7/14/2004 12:24:27 PM
get_cut_not_ripped Cut Rock Total Posts: 126 Last Post: 4/1/2005 Member Since: 7/10/2004	Folks, I'm down to the wire here, and could really use some expertise! Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Posted: 7/14/2004 12:24:27 PM

P: 7/14/2004 1:41:01 PM
quaeritur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,238 Last Post: 2/3/2005 Member Since: 3/12/2004	I'm going to vote for G color. I think an eye clean G SI1 would be perfect with the G-H stones in the setting, and seems like a good compromise between the higher color that you prefer (I think that's the case, from your posts) yet also something that will look perfectly matched to the stones in the setting... Here are a couple of suggestions: 1.148 ACA G SI1 1.13 ACA G SI1 That second one I'd want to look at the IS image and ask Brian about. It's a pretty shallow pavilion, but might be a very cool fiery stone. Personally, I would prefer a G, but I think you'd do fine with an H as well. Good luck with the selection! quaeritur
Posted: 7/14/2004 1:41:01 PM

P: 7/14/2004 2:33:04 PM
mrmcpa Rough Rock Total Posts: 17 Last Post: 2/3/2005 Member Since: 6/1/2004	I have a 1.26 RB D color in a 14kt YG setting with pave diamonds that are G-H in color. In bright sunlight I can see a difference but inside it is not noticeable. I think it may be due to the yellow gold setting. You will probably notice more of a difference if you are considering platinum or white gold. Also my pave stones are separated from my D by a YG cathedral setting--so they are not right next to it. If you go to see the stones, ask them to put it next to a setting with G-H stones and see if you notice the difference.
Posted: 7/14/2004 2:33:04 PM

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