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| P: 5/31/2004 11:12:40 PM | |
EZBUDDY Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 7/28/2005 Member Since: 8/5/2003 |
I've been researching for the past couple months for that perfect diamond for my future bride. Originally, I wanted a D-F coloured diamond however, I have since changed my mind. What I ask you is: I would like to purchase an Hearts and Arrows Diamond: .82 carats ideal cut H and A vs2 Measurements: 6.06 - 6.08 x 3.71 Depth: 61.1 Table: 54 Girdle: THIN Culet: NONE Polish: EXCELLENT Symmetry: EXCELLENT These seem like great specs but its a J! The setting would be a white gold tiffany's 6 prong setting. Will the diamond look yellow with a white gold setting, since its a J? I would like to get a diamond with the as much brilliance and light reflection as possible and I would achieve it with an H&A however, I would lose in the colour category if I choose a J. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance! |
| Posted: 5/31/2004 11:12:40 PM | |
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| P: 5/31/2004 11:28:16 PM | |
pqcollectibles Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,441 Last Post: 6/18/2005 Member Since: 2/23/2003 |
Here's a pic of my 1.25 carat, J color diamond, set in platinum. It is not yellow at all. I have also seen a 0.85 carat, J color, ACA from White Flash that was fabulous against white metal as well. The Ideal cut will make the diamond face-up much whiter than the actual color grade. Also the diamond will be complimented by your gal's skin tone making it appear much brighter as well. J can offer great value allowing you to maximize your budget/purchase. A lot depends on your own personal color sensitivity and the hue/tint of the rough that the diamond was cut from.   Why use a big word when a diminutive word would be succinct! |
| Posted: 5/31/2004 11:28:16 PM | |
| P: 5/31/2004 11:39:08 PM | |
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EZBUDDY Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 7/28/2005 Member Since: 8/5/2003 |
Thank you for your quick reply! Your Diamond certainly looks colourless with the platinum setting and its a J coloured stone! Its beautiful! I'm aware that the top looks clear but, do you have pictures of your ring from a side view? Thank you... and keep the post coming please!
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| Posted: 5/31/2004 11:39:08 PM | |
| P: 6/1/2004 6:03:20 AM | |
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003 |
I would not judge diamond color from pictures - no matter how good. How can we know what actually shows on YOUR screen? The subtle shades that make colorless diamonds' color grades are definitely less prominent than the color variance between computer monitors. Diamonds are graded under controlled lighting conditions... and they cannot be well communicated outside the respective grading environemtn (actually, good for you, once set, virtually no one can tell color grades - so grading and appraisals of set diamonds come with estimated split grades). No way pictures can work well to show diamond color! It would be much easier and more reliable for you to go into a store and see any GIA graded J color - if it works for you all for the better. The worst the stone is cut (the less sparkle) the more color shows - so your H&A can only get better. Also, the smaller the stone the less color it will show - I would definitely not worry about J around 1 carat... But that's just me, and I am not very convinced diamond color grades are good for much  If you do choose to go fact-finding, you may wnat to look for I grades too. There usually is some overlap between prices for neighbouring grades among sellers, although finding a stone around .9 cts is likely to take some time.  Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian] |
| Posted: 6/1/2004 6:03:20 AM | |
| P: 6/1/2004 8:20:39 AM | |
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pqcollectibles Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,441 Last Post: 6/18/2005 Member Since: 2/23/2003 |
Here's a pavillion view of the ring next to a 0.45 carat, F color diamond stud.  Why use a big word when a diminutive word would be succinct! |
| Posted: 6/1/2004 8:20:39 AM | |
| P: 6/2/2004 6:06:38 PM | |
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EZBUDDY Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 7/28/2005 Member Since: 8/5/2003 |
can anyone else lend some advice?
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| Posted: 6/2/2004 6:06:38 PM | |
| P: 6/2/2004 6:22:43 PM | |
noobie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,318 Last Post: 9/21/2007 Member Since: 3/3/2004 |
I think the best advice anyone can give you is to go to a reputable store and look at them yourself. Color is of personal preference. I originally only wanted F,G or better. I looked stones face up and face down and decided H was more than OK. Now I think I would go as low as I; and J in earrings.
But, you need to decide yourself
edited to add: Have you seen the stone you are asking about? You mention trading off H&A cut for color. Again, I think the best thing is to go and look at the H&A J and maybe a premium cut in a G,H of the same price and decide for yourself. BTW where are you located? By the spelling of colo(u)r, I'm guessing Canada or UK?
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| Posted: 6/2/2004 6:22:43 PM | |
| P: 6/2/2004 6:28:05 PM | |
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Lincoln Rough Rock Total Posts: 33 Last Post: 7/2/2004 Member Since: 5/27/2004 |
And I'm not sure that you want to evaluate a stone by it's side view, unless you're strictly trying to gauge it's relative size.
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| Posted: 6/2/2004 6:28:05 PM | |
| P: 6/2/2004 6:30:00 PM | |
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Brian Knox Cut Rock Total Posts: 337 Last Post: 2/5/2005 Member Since: 3/26/2004 |
Hi Buddy, My advice is to look for a J color that has blue flourescence, as this can help the stone look very white in most lighting situations. Brian Knox |
| Posted: 6/2/2004 6:30:00 PM | |
| P: 6/2/2004 7:44:16 PM | |
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aliciamt7 Rough Rock Total Posts: 62 Last Post: 1/2/2008 Member Since: 2/18/2003 |
EZBuddy, Valeria is right in that it is hard to go by pictures because it really does depend on your screen and everyone's is set differently! Your best bet would be to look at diamonds of J color and ideal cuts in person to really see how much you see. Some people are very color sensitive and can see color right away, and others can't see any no matter how long they stare!! Cut is very important if you are looking for a colorless looking stone in a lower color graded stone. But I personally have to say that I myself own an ideal cut RB set in white gold, and it's a J. I absolutely love it, and had I not actually known the color grade, I would never have guessed that it was! It really all depends on your eyes. Even though it may not mean too much because everyone's PC screens are different, here's my ring (J center in a white setting):  Good luck with your decision! Ultimately it's up to you whether you notice the color or not, but they are beautiful stones! Alicia
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| Posted: 6/2/2004 7:44:16 PM | |
| P: 6/2/2004 10:41:36 PM | |
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noobie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,318 Last Post: 9/21/2007 Member Since: 3/3/2004 |
---------------- Brian, How hard is it to find matching J color stones with blue fluorescence, say for studs? I've looked at the listings and it doesn't appear to be that easy.
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| Posted: 6/2/2004 10:41:36 PM | |
| P: 6/3/2004 11:11:29 AM | |
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Brian Knox Cut Rock Total Posts: 337 Last Post: 2/5/2005 Member Since: 3/26/2004 |
Hi Noobie, For round stones, it is not that difficult depending on timeframe allowed. If I needed them within three days it may be impossible. If I have sufficient time to source and shop for the perfect pair, then it is relatively simple. For fancies it may be exponentially more difficult. Brian Knox |
| Posted: 6/3/2004 11:11:29 AM | |
| P: 6/3/2004 7:00:19 PM | |
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EZBUDDY Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 7/28/2005 Member Since: 8/5/2003 |
I just went to a store and they showed be the difference b/n a G and and I and at the side profile there was a difference, however, not a very big deal! from the top both diamonds look quite beautiful and were very hard to see colour differences b/n the two. Anyhow, I have some quotes and prices of some diamonds and wanted to know your opinion on whic is a better deal. Thanks for your help. And yes i'm from Toronto Canada CARAT CUT CLARITY COLOR CERT DIAMOND PRICE PRICEw/set 0.80 VGOOD VS-2 H GEM SCAN $3,875.00 $4,875.00 0.80 GOOD SI-1 H-I GEM SCAN $3,000.00 $3,750.00 1.00 GOOD SI-1 H-I GEM SCAN $4,000.00 $4,750.00 0.53 IDEAL SI-1 I GEM SCAN $2,660.00 $3,956.00 0.72 VGOOD SI-1 G NO CERT $4,460.00 $4,980.00 0.77 VGOOD SI-2 G EGl $3,794.00 $4,643.00 0.75 VGOOD SI-2 H GEM SCAN N/A $3,750.00 0.83 VGOOD SI-1 G GEM SCAN N/A $5,200.00 0.785 IDEALH&A SI-1 H AGS $4,063.00 $4,063.00 0.9 IDEALH&A VS-2 J GIA $4,739.00 $4,739.60 0.81 IDEALH&A VVS2 I GIA $4,476.75 $4,476.75 0.82 IDEALH&A VS-2 J GIA $3,419.25 $3,419..25 0.76 VGOOD VS-1 I GIA $2,911.53 $2,911.53 0.74 GOOD SI-2 H GEM SCAN $3,900.00 $4,350.00 Thanks again!
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| Posted: 6/3/2004 7:00:19 PM | |
| P: 6/5/2004 12:15:39 AM | |
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EZBUDDY Rough Rock Total Posts: 18 Last Post: 7/28/2005 Member Since: 8/5/2003 |
anyone else?
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| Posted: 6/5/2004 12:15:39 AM | |
| P: 6/5/2004 12:43:58 AM | |
kkeen15 Cut Rock Total Posts: 117 Last Post: 9/29/2004 Member Since: 4/3/2004 |
There's not much to say about those stones unless you can provide some numbers describing the cut. Good luck!
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| Posted: 6/5/2004 12:43:58 AM | |
| P: 6/5/2004 1:21:47 AM | |
Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,227 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004 |
---------------- esbuddy, First of all, I would eliminate all the stones from gem scan. How can they have a split grade H/I color for lose stones? That's a bunch of bull. go with AGS or GIA cert. it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone. |
| Posted: 6/5/2004 1:21:47 AM | |
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