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P: 5/17/2004 10:47:08 AM
Superidealist Ideal Rock Total Posts: 655 Last Post: 8/23/2006 Member Since: 9/10/2003	I ran across these the other day and thought Pricescope readers might be interested. D Riley
Posted: 5/17/2004 10:47:08 AM

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P: 5/17/2004 10:47:32 AM
Superidealist Ideal Rock Total Posts: 655 Last Post: 8/23/2006 Member Since: 9/10/2003	. D Riley
Posted: 5/17/2004 10:47:32 AM

P: 5/17/2004 10:47:50 AM
Superidealist Ideal Rock Total Posts: 655 Last Post: 8/23/2006 Member Since: 9/10/2003	. D Riley
Posted: 5/17/2004 10:47:50 AM

P: 5/17/2004 10:50:38 AM
Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,866 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001	Source? Rhino Good Old Gold
Posted: 5/17/2004 10:50:38 AM

P: 5/17/2004 10:51:22 AM
Superidealist Ideal Rock Total Posts: 655 Last Post: 8/23/2006 Member Since: 9/10/2003	Confidential. D Riley
Posted: 5/17/2004 10:51:22 AM

P: 5/17/2004 10:58:59 AM
verticalhorizon Ideal Rock Total Posts: 840 Last Post: 3/24/2006 Member Since: 3/9/2004	Wow... what would NO black mean in these images? Are these digitally altered? VH (aka GroomZilla) --- This post was brought to you by the Church of Cut Quality. Note: I am not an expert. Just a friendly neighbor.
Posted: 5/17/2004 10:58:59 AM

P: 5/17/2004 10:59:15 AM
Pricescope Administrator Total Posts: 8,265 Last Post: 1/5/2008 Member Since: 1/1/2000	are they for the same or different stones? Pricescope
Posted: 5/17/2004 10:59:15 AM

P: 5/17/2004 11:52:02 AM
Rank Amateur Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,547 Last Post: 5/5/2009 Member Since: 2/26/2003	Different stones, I'm sure (look at how far off the culet is on the one) but how were they taken? I presume no black means no lens reflection.
Posted: 5/17/2004 11:52:02 AM

P: 5/17/2004 12:12:42 PM
Superidealist Ideal Rock Total Posts: 655 Last Post: 8/23/2006 Member Since: 9/10/2003	To the best of my knowledge, the photos are unaltered. They are of different diamonds and all are of excellent make. D Riley
Posted: 5/17/2004 12:12:42 PM

P: 5/17/2004 12:22:12 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	How is that done? At first I thought these would not be RBC! but unusually flat crown (less than 30 degrees) would do the trick after all for the first version and the ones with white margins might also have shallower pavilions (at around 40 degrees pav angle) and smaller tables with large kyte facets (based on a werid sapphire with the same look I happened upon). The last two pics are tilted, so it could be the same darn thing after all... Actually, the last two could well be of "ideal proportions" but with quite unusual minor facets. Or, well, and these could all be 8 Star cuts with the pictures taken in some unusual conditions - but that is not something I could attempt guessing. definitely intriguing Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 5/17/2004 12:22:12 PM

P: 5/17/2004 12:36:39 PM
lop Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,651 Last Post: 9/7/2009 Member Since: 6/14/2003	So what is the scoop about these stones? What makes them look so different?
Posted: 5/17/2004 12:36:39 PM

P: 5/17/2004 12:56:09 PM
scotch Rough Rock Total Posts: 94 Last Post: 3/17/2006 Member Since: 10/15/2002	Hmm... it's really hard to make out, as the pictures are so blurred. The first pic looks like an Eightstar around the girdle and under the crown facets, but the star facets seem to be too long. Could it be a Whiteflash "A Cut Above"? No idea about the other two, the second one is definitely tilted, with eightstar-like short star facets, but what's going on under the crown facets? Superidealist, stop teasing already, will you solve the puzzle at some point, or don't you know what these are yourself? Scotch
Posted: 5/17/2004 12:56:09 PM

P: 5/17/2004 1:39:03 PM
Superidealist Ideal Rock Total Posts: 655 Last Post: 8/23/2006 Member Since: 9/10/2003	---------------- On 5/17/2004 12:56:09 PM scotch wrote: Superidealist, stop teasing already, will you solve the puzzle at some point, or don't you know what these are yourself? ---------------- So rare are the chances I get to stump the experts that I'm sure you'll forgive me for dragging it out. I was hoping to hear what those in the know at Pricescope have to say about these. D Riley
Posted: 5/17/2004 1:39:03 PM

P: 5/17/2004 1:43:36 PM
verticalhorizon Ideal Rock Total Posts: 840 Last Post: 3/24/2006 Member Since: 3/9/2004	I agree... let's wait to hear some theories first before letting the cat out of the bag. VH (aka GroomZilla) --- This post was brought to you by the Church of Cut Quality. Note: I am not an expert. Just a friendly neighbor.
Posted: 5/17/2004 1:43:36 PM

P: 5/17/2004 2:00:40 PM
Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,866 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001	Images without a tutorial to understand how to interpret them are meaningless. I can post a Gilbertson scope picture but if I do not teach you how to interpret it is akin to me going to China and trying to communicate with them in their language. Rhino Good Old Gold
Posted: 5/17/2004 2:00:40 PM

P: 5/17/2004 2:04:40 PM
verticalhorizon Ideal Rock Total Posts: 840 Last Post: 3/24/2006 Member Since: 3/9/2004	I think I get what Rhino is saying... without indication on what kind of images these are, then it's impossible to make any clear conclusions about them. I have to say, I was assuming that the images were along the lines of LightScope, IdealScope, or FireScope like images. We'll have to see what SuperId says. VH (aka GroomZilla) --- This post was brought to you by the Church of Cut Quality. Note: I am not an expert. Just a friendly neighbor.
Posted: 5/17/2004 2:04:40 PM

P: 5/17/2004 2:29:28 PM
scotch Rough Rock Total Posts: 94 Last Post: 3/17/2006 Member Since: 10/15/2002	OK, Superideal, but you have to give us some clues. Any hints on how the pics have been produced? Have the stones been properly placed into a fscope like device (except for the tilting)? Scotch
Posted: 5/17/2004 2:29:28 PM

P: 5/17/2004 2:37:31 PM
Superidealist Ideal Rock Total Posts: 655 Last Post: 8/23/2006 Member Since: 9/10/2003	Here are "heart" views of each diamond in order. D Riley
Posted: 5/17/2004 2:37:31 PM

P: 5/17/2004 2:37:52 PM
Superidealist Ideal Rock Total Posts: 655 Last Post: 8/23/2006 Member Since: 9/10/2003	. D Riley
Posted: 5/17/2004 2:37:52 PM

P: 5/17/2004 2:38:09 PM
Superidealist Ideal Rock Total Posts: 655 Last Post: 8/23/2006 Member Since: 9/10/2003	. D Riley
Posted: 5/17/2004 2:38:09 PM

P: 5/17/2004 5:30:29 PM
scotch Rough Rock Total Posts: 94 Last Post: 3/17/2006 Member Since: 10/15/2002	I don't think any of those is an eightstar. I wasn't so sure about #1 or #2 (had no idea how the leakage in #2 would have been produced though), but the hearts don't seem to match anything I have seen in eightstars. Also, #1 couldn't be an "A Cut Above", the hearts are too narrow for those as well. I wonder about the leakage around the girdle in #2, could that be a "cheated girdle"? Man, I have no clue. Can I buy a vowel, or ask the audience or something? Scotch
Posted: 5/17/2004 5:30:29 PM

P: 5/17/2004 5:54:53 PM
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,587 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000	Thes images have been not been taken with a Firescope. The FS has about a 30 degree head shadow - and these have maybe 1 degree pin hole for the camera to peep through. Also by raising the red away from the stone it is possible to reduce the pink light that comes from the upper girdle facets of stones other than the first stone (which looks like an 8* type). Maybe if 8* are going to release a simple photo that "prooves" they have the fireyest diamonds - they want to have the simplest light-return-scope. It sonds simple but is foolish - more foolish that the BS Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT HCA and Ideal-scope developer http://www.ideal-scope.com and http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au
Posted: 5/17/2004 5:54:53 PM

P: 5/17/2004 5:59:16 PM
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,587 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000	I think the 2nd 2 might be off center. Like what I see through mu binocular ideal-scope when I close alternate eyes Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT HCA and Ideal-scope developer http://www.ideal-scope.com and http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au
Posted: 5/17/2004 5:59:16 PM

P: 5/17/2004 6:33:27 PM
Superidealist Ideal Rock Total Posts: 655 Last Post: 8/23/2006 Member Since: 9/10/2003	Here's what I know for certain. The first diamond is an Apollon Eight while the other two are so called "triple excellent" diamonds. From what I understand, the Apollon Eight diamond is the first of the Japanese "heart and cupid" diamonds (known here as hearts and arrows). The company was founded by Tsuyoshi Shigetomi, inventor of the Firescope and the images shown are definitely not Firescope images (as Garry correctly points out). The actual Firescope image of an Apollon Eight, to me, looks very much like that of an EightStar. It is interesting to note the "butterfly pattern" in the hearts image of the Apollon Eight since, I believe, this is graded against by the labs in Japan. D Riley
Posted: 5/17/2004 6:33:27 PM

P: 8/13/2004 1:22:53 AM
Superidealist Ideal Rock Total Posts: 655 Last Post: 8/23/2006 Member Since: 9/10/2003	Not a Firescope image but still interesting. D Riley
Posted: 8/13/2004 1:22:53 AM

P: 8/13/2004 2:19:21 AM
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,587 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000	AGS Gilbertsonscope Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT HCA and Ideal-scope developer http://www.ideal-scope.com and http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au
Posted: 8/13/2004 2:19:21 AM

P: 8/14/2004 11:44:57 AM
Superidealist Ideal Rock Total Posts: 655 Last Post: 8/23/2006 Member Since: 9/10/2003	In keeping with the topic, here's another that's not really a Firescope image. D Riley
Posted: 8/14/2004 11:44:57 AM

P: 8/14/2004 3:59:28 PM
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,587 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000	Eighternity Jonathonscope? Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT HCA and Ideal-scope developer http://www.ideal-scope.com and http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au
Posted: 8/14/2004 3:59:28 PM

P: 8/15/2004 11:38:35 AM
Rhino Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,866 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 3/29/2001	Rhino Good Old Gold
Posted: 8/15/2004 11:38:35 AM

P: 8/15/2004 4:42:04 PM
mdx Ideal Rock Total Posts: 570 Last Post: 11/29/2007 Member Since: 3/1/2002	Something Different ? Johan Diamond Exchange Ltd. (Australia)
Posted: 8/15/2004 4:42:04 PM

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