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| P: 4/7/2004 4:07:58 PM | |
iknowquinn Rough Rock Total Posts: 63 Last Post: 5/6/2004 Member Since: 2/12/2004 |
hi! this goes out to those of you "in the know". how much would you guess you need to spend to get a 3ct (no smaller) round... 1. top top top of the line cut 2. H or I color 3. vs2 or SI1 (eye clean) and have it completely knock your socks off. and would you need to bump up the color or clarity from the above specs in order for the stone to really blow you away....thanks. (and i hope that makes sense) 
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 4:07:58 PM | |
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| P: 4/7/2004 4:31:43 PM | |
Nicrez Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,230 Last Post: 10/21/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2004 |
Had a tough time finding some but it seemed GOG has a few just right for you maybe... Here's a 3.023, VS2, H AGS Ideal stone for $32,358 Another: 3.02, I, VS1 Ideal AGS stone for $28,050 Another: 3.02 I, VS2, AGS Ideal for $27,236 Another: 3.05 I, SI1 AGS Ideal stone for $24,311 Hope these help! "Sometimes it's OK to throw rocks at girls...as long as they sparkle! |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 4:31:43 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 4:36:40 PM | |
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iknowquinn Rough Rock Total Posts: 63 Last Post: 5/6/2004 Member Since: 2/12/2004 |
hi- yeah, i have been looking at the good old gold website alot lately....and that sort of prompted my question. having not ever seen, in person, diamonds of this size and quality as yet...i was wondering if- at that price range- they will be what we are looking for. we are looking for a "take your breath away" diamond that is at least 3 carats, and i believe from what i have read on this forum, that good old gold is the place to go. i was curious though if we are pushing too much for size, and sacrificing quality- or if an H color, eye clean SI1 can do the trick as well.
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 4:36:40 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 4:37:00 PM | |
moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004 |
ya beat me to it! GOG also has a H&A G Si1 for 33700. Just to give you an idea if you were going up in color. I PERSONALLY will not go lower than a G. However, in a H&A round, I might go with an H if the price was right and if it was a a dazzler! Lots of people like "warmer" stones...but I like my ice VERY white and I can see color easily. ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me. |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 4:37:00 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 4:41:03 PM | |
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iknowquinn Rough Rock Total Posts: 63 Last Post: 5/6/2004 Member Since: 2/12/2004 |
unfortunately 33k more than we want to spend. all the G stones jump up to over 30k...so i am hoping that an H will faceup white enough- but again- i have yet to see them in person, and i was hoping to get an idea from people on this board about whether or not an eye clean Si1, combined with an H color will be what we are looking for....(combined of course, with a fabulous cut)
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 4:41:03 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 4:43:11 PM | |
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moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004 |
Fabulous cut, eye clean si1, H 3 carat will blow you away! I REFUSE to go higher than VS2....and am actively looking for a good si1 ! With that fabulous cut and maybe even a little luck at finding a stone with some faint flourescence, you'll have a stunner!
______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me. |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 4:43:11 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 4:49:40 PM | |
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Nicrez Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,230 Last Post: 10/21/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2004 |
first of all I trust GOG with their stones to be what they represent, and they show these to be total dazzlers! An H and a G, other than having a major price difference in that size, will have such a negligible color difference, it isn't even funny. Now if you debated the D, VS1 and the H, I would say, you like WHITE, get the D, but honestly, $63K or so isn't in most people's budgets... Get an H. Don't even blink. Color snob here can tell color in any shaped stone immediately, but frankly I am stumped on well cut round stones, as they are MADE to sparkle white, and so these beauties are so forgiving in color. I actually recently saw a 3.5ct J and thought it was like an H or something. The woman just smiled... If you want size, you will sacrifice a bit in color and clarity for that budget. That's just a compromise you have to admit. Frankly I would wholeheartedly recommend a well cut H SI1, if you see it and it wows you, what could be better than paying LESS than $30K?! But that's just my $.02! "Sometimes it's OK to throw rocks at girls...as long as they sparkle! |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 4:49:40 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 4:58:41 PM | |
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moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004 |
Hmmmm....I can definitely see the difference in color even in rounds and it's a mighty big size....so I dunno. BUT, I am blessed and cursed with great eyes and a nose that smells a little TOO well!...That said, I'd LOVE to have a 3 carat H!!!! People will be blinded by the cut and sparkle!... I did just wanna throw this bad boy in there...wonder how much smaller it would look.... http://www.goodoldgold.com/2_728ct_e_si1_h%26a.htm ______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me. |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 4:58:41 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 5:02:52 PM | |
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moremoremore Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,825 Last Post: 2/9/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2004 |
about .35 smaller than the i vs1. Fairly significant. But can someone press my life altert necklace...do you SEE the pic of that magnificant creature....
______________________________ Stewart says: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And doggon'it, people like me. |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 5:02:52 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 6:14:19 PM | |
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iknowquinn Rough Rock Total Posts: 63 Last Post: 5/6/2004 Member Since: 2/12/2004 |
hi- ok- so what do you guys think of this one: http://www.goodoldgold.com/3_34ct_h_si1__h&a.htm we are going to see it in a couple weeks...but the anticipation is too much to bear! i was originally uncomfortable with SI1 altogether, but since i have been reading this forum etc- i realize it could be a fantastic way to save some money. my concern is in the pics of the stone. all those marks! will those really affect the birlliance of the stone? if this was your budget- are there other stones you would prefer on the GOG site? thanks!
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 6:14:19 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 6:34:51 PM | |
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003 |
---------------- Awesome :} ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 6:34:51 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 6:39:54 PM | |
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002 |
---------------- Nope, you will need *at least* medium Blue. If you want to do this on the cheap, go I color stone w/ med/strong blue fluor in the 1b cut class w/ all systems working together correctly. You will pay too much of a premium for a top top cut stone. Try to get a stone w/ very good symetry. Good is fine for polish. It's the stone that are in the 2-3.5 HCA range that fall under the radar. Then, you will have to use your eyes. You will pay a large premium for a H&A, AGS0, blah blah blah stone. If you are prepared to do so, then go for it. But, your best buys are in the very good make (not excellent/ideal). Good luck.
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 6:39:54 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 6:46:50 PM | |
CaptAubrey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 862 Last Post: 3/23/2009 Member Since: 3/28/2004 |
----------------it's not the brilliance you need to worry about. si clarity stones that large are often not eye clean. i don't like that plot either. but it's good you're going to see it first. it might well be a great stone despite all that.
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 6:46:50 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 6:47:40 PM | |
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iknowquinn Rough Rock Total Posts: 63 Last Post: 5/6/2004 Member Since: 2/12/2004 |
what do you mean by plot?
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 6:47:40 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 6:48:18 PM | |
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CaptAubrey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 862 Last Post: 3/23/2009 Member Since: 3/28/2004 |
---------------- the clarity diagram on the grading report.
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 6:48:18 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 6:54:50 PM | |
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iknowquinn Rough Rock Total Posts: 63 Last Post: 5/6/2004 Member Since: 2/12/2004 |
is there a diamond for about 25k on GOG that you prefer? (staying around 3 carats in size)
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 6:54:50 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 6:56:15 PM | |
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CaptAubrey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 862 Last Post: 3/23/2009 Member Since: 3/28/2004 |
since you're going to go visit, i would just rely on your eyes. the problems i pointed out are really only "potentials" based on buying it long distance.
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 6:56:15 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 6:58:37 PM | |
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iknowquinn Rough Rock Total Posts: 63 Last Post: 5/6/2004 Member Since: 2/12/2004 |
i understand. i was hoping to get an idea of one particular stone that stood out- and put a small refundable deposit down to make sure it isn't sold before we get there. i was strongly considering securing the 3.34. in the end it doesn't REALLY matter though- b/c we will go and see with our eyes like you said. but just as a precautionary measure...i thought we might as well pick one and secure it.
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 6:58:37 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 7:05:44 PM | |
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fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002 |
YOu will pay for clarity in a stone. In a stone that size, there's a good chance you may see something. You need to ask yourself, "Can I live with that?" Be prepared for the answer to that question. As long as it doesn't jump out at me, it's a non-issue. Others have different thoughts.
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 7:05:44 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 7:59:03 PM | |
maristidou Rough Rock Total Posts: 75 Last Post: 7/12/2004 Member Since: 3/17/2004 |
Bigger stones will show more color so make sure you know what you are confortable with (go into jewelry stores and look at them side by side). Inclusions are also more likely to be visible in the 3+ CT range. So unless you happen to find a great eye clean SI1, VS2 might be the way to go. I also agree that trying to find a stone with medium fluoresence is a great way to save money and still get a stone that faces up white (MF could also give it that something extra you are looking for). Maybe you can look at this one: 3.15Ct I VS2 (with Medium blue fluorescence)GIA Certified Depth 60.6% Table 58 Girdle med-slthk/f Culet:no Polish:ex Symmetry:ex 9.47-9.51x5.75 Price $21949-$23411 depending on where you get it. USA Certed Engagement Rings Direct I think that both USA Certed and Dirtcheap can get the stone to NYC for you to see. Hopes this helps. Melina
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 7:59:03 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 11:14:26 PM | |
Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,218 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004 |
iknowquinn, i was looking at the 3.34 H SI1 that GOG has. everything looks perfect- all the specifications, except how eye clean is the stone, that is the question. have you spoken with johnathan about it yet? maybe he can give you an idea. it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone. |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 11:14:26 PM | |
| P: 4/8/2004 7:08:58 AM | |
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iknowquinn Rough Rock Total Posts: 63 Last Post: 5/6/2004 Member Since: 2/12/2004 |
about fluorescence though....i understand the concept...but does that mean my diamond will glow blue with the lights out? i have heard that- and i actually do NOT want that at all.
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| Posted: 4/8/2004 7:08:58 AM | |
| P: 4/8/2004 8:17:49 AM | |
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maristidou Rough Rock Total Posts: 75 Last Post: 7/12/2004 Member Since: 3/17/2004 |
About fluorescence: no the diamond will not glow with the lights out only if you are in a nightclub or some other place were they have black lighting (the kind that makes white t-shirts glow). Also in very bright synlight you are likely to see a blue hue in the stone. Before I ever saw a stone with fluorescence I was avoiding them like the plaque. However when I finally saw this in person -it did not make the stone loose any transparency just gave it a blinding bluish sparkle. It also gave the stone an "extra something" in all other lighting environments. I am sure there is a variance from stone to stone so go to stores and ask to see stones with medium blue fluorescence; ask to take them out in the sunlight and then deside if its for you. Just so that you know -there are some people on this forum that will only buy stones with fluorescence. If you see I color stones in the 3+ Ct range and still think they are white enough for you then maybe you don't even need fluorescence. However if you are color sensitive and do not want to pay the price assosiated with F/G colors then fluorescence will save you a LOT of money. This is just my non-expert opinion. Melina
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| Posted: 4/8/2004 8:17:49 AM | |
| P: 4/8/2004 5:27:55 PM | |
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003 |
---------------- Taken literally, this is very funny NO, diamonds DO NOT glow in the dark ... taht would be nice !, but no, it does not happen  You need both darkness AND UW light on. Without those, nothing happens Now, please accept my excuse, if I read your post incorrectly. It just says "diamond will glow blue with the lights out", no mention of UW present. If a seller actually told you that, it's quite a "find"  Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian] |
| Posted: 4/8/2004 5:27:55 PM | |
| P: 4/8/2004 11:34:57 PM | |
diamondsman Ideal Rock Total Posts: 625 Last Post: 11/12/2009 Member Since: 11/11/2002 |
If you want to have a 3 carat range and not pay for it ,perhaps you should look into a 2.75-2.90 range ina Gvs2 ,the price should be around $28000+/-. But if you want to break the barrier into the 3Cts. range, I would probably recommend buying an hvs2 or an Ivs1, Si1 clarities have such a wide range of imperfections, In many cases the si'1 quality (lately) is a black carbon imperfection smack in the center of the table,and if you have a sharp eye, (considering the size ) you might even be able to see it with the naked eye. Diamondsman |
| Posted: 4/8/2004 11:34:57 PM | |
| P: 4/9/2004 2:40:17 AM | |
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,912 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002 |
Hehe I thought that comment was kind of funny too Val. If only diamonds would glow in the dark.
 That would be great. Fluor will only show under special lighting. The rest of the time, it will make the diamond look whiter. Something to consider is that fluor only affects the top face down view of the stone, not from the side.
I agree with F&I's suggestion on finding an I stone with med fluor. That would drop the price down alot, but you may have to look longer.
However, with H SI1...if its eye-clean and well cut H&A...you will be fine. The diamond should face up very white and absolutely stunning. With a stone like that, your real only concern would be finding something that is eye-clean. Discuss with Jonathan on his thoughts on his inventory, then see if he can hold a few stones for you to look at.
Good luck!
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| Posted: 4/9/2004 2:40:17 AM | |
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