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»  » is a H SI1 in the 2.75 ct range that difficult to find?
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is a H SI1 in the 2.75 ct range that difficult to find? |
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| P: 4/7/2004 3:34:52 PM | |
Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,227 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004 |
have been trying to locate one with a GIA or AGS certs with hearts and arrows ,super ideal cut. branded or unbranded, seems like this color and clarity is the most popular, maybe that's the reason. GOG has a couple of I VS, but no H. search on pricescope, but no luck there either.
it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone. |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 3:34:52 PM | |
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| P: 4/7/2004 3:48:38 PM | |
Nicrez Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,230 Last Post: 10/21/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2004 |
I think you are hitting a very sucessful ratio here of color, clarity and cut quality that many people want in larger stones. Everyone wants size, but few people will get a stone that large in D, IF. That's why you may be having a tough time. Also larger stones, require...naturally...larger rough, and perhaps it could be that the rough in H, cleaner SI's is at a loss... Either way, these stones are a value for the money at that size, color and clarity, and you may just have to keep looking and give your self a cushion of time to find it. Hopefully you are NOT in a rush! 
"Sometimes it's OK to throw rocks at girls...as long as they sparkle! |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 3:48:38 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 3:57:35 PM | |
baltneu Cut Rock Total Posts: 370 Last Post: 10/19/2005 Member Since: 2/28/2004 |
For what it is worth I played tennis this am with a buddy who is a diamond dealer. He told me that deBeers is screwing everyone, not just the consumer with high prices, and with new technology and speed of mining diamonds, they are pulling out less larger stones, so the shortage of big rocks.
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 3:57:35 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 3:59:02 PM | |
maristidou Rough Rock Total Posts: 75 Last Post: 7/12/2004 Member Since: 3/17/2004 |
How about this one from blue nile; http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD00233260&query=2&filter_id=0 It's 2.58 H SI1 but faces up a lot bigger (8.93mm) $21772 (they offer a small discount off that for wire tranfer purchase) Melina
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 3:59:02 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 4:07:28 PM | |
Paul-Antwerp Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,911 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/3/2002 |
vtigger, It is not hard to find, it is almost impossible to find. To start, the same rough stone that would yield this stone, will certainly yield an averagely cut stone over 3Ct., which is more valuable at the wholesale level. Therefore, the cutters of average cuts can pay more for this rough stone. And on the demand-side, this is probably the most desirable combination. To give you an idea, if you would order me to custom-cut such a stone, I cannot promise to deliver one within this year. I would suggest to seriously consider each stone which is somewhat close to your requirements, because otherwise, this will most likely turn into a frustration. Live long, Paul Paul Slegers |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 4:07:28 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 5:04:27 PM | |
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Nicrez Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,230 Last Post: 10/21/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2004 |
Here's a 2.71 ct H, SI1, D=62.3, T=60%, for $20,217 Also, keep trying AS MANY VENDORS as you CAN!!! They can keep an eye out for you, even if they don't have it YET...Patience! 
"Sometimes it's OK to throw rocks at girls...as long as they sparkle! |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 5:04:27 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 5:43:53 PM | |
Shay37 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,343 Last Post: 8/30/2008 Member Since: 3/2/2004 |
Vtigger86, here's one that I don't know how to link. It's an H VS1 SuperbCert H&A superideal size 2.65 ct. Don't know how much you want to spend, or if this is close enough to what you want; but thought this would show you an option. http://superbcert.com/Shop_By_Product/Diamond_Details.cfm/P/625/N/1;1 Hope this helps.  Shay ______________________________My therapist loves me. His name is Brian the Cutter. |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 5:43:53 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 7:11:26 PM | |
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maristidou Rough Rock Total Posts: 75 Last Post: 7/12/2004 Member Since: 3/17/2004 |
Another choice: GIA Round Available at Ice Store and Union Diamond 2.74 H SI1 9.01-9.04x5.51 mm Depth Percentage > 61.10 % Table Percentage > 58 % Culet > N Polish > Excellent Symmetry > Excellent Fluorescence > None $21402-21502 Melina
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| Posted: 4/7/2004 7:11:26 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 11:18:04 PM | |
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Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,227 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004 |
Paul-Antwerp, you read my mind. i was going to e-mail you about how long would it take you to find and cut a stone like that for me. you say maybe a year? it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone. |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 11:18:04 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 11:32:17 PM | |
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Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,227 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004 |
---------------- ---------------- Melinda, Don't know if this is a heart&arrow stone. Would prefer a pavillon angle of 40.7 - 40.9. Seems like most of the time, bluenile is higher than other vendors. it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone. |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 11:32:17 PM | |
| P: 4/7/2004 11:55:03 PM | |
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Dancing Fire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,227 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/3/2004 |
---------------- nicrez I don't think this stone is an ideal cut it is always harder to find a "mind clean" stone than a eye clean stone. |
| Posted: 4/7/2004 11:55:03 PM | |
| P: 4/8/2004 6:44:42 AM | |
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Paul-Antwerp Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,911 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/3/2002 |
I will try to give you an idea, why it is so difficult to give you an estimated delay on this. There are multiple problems in trying to find the perfect stone to start from, be it a rough stone or a stone to re-cut. 1. In case of a rough stone, it is more difficult to exactly judge the colour and the inclusions. Especially, in colours, this is tricky. Because we could select a stone for colour H, but if it turns out I, the difference in value is about 15%. That is why, in rough, we would only look at clearly high H-colours, where the seller does not try to sell it at the price of G. 2. Then, we can only consider stones that, in an average cut, cannot be finished above 3 Ct. This rules out more than 95% of the rough stones. 3. If we look at re-cuts, we have less problems with the colour. But once again, we cannot start from a 3 Ct-stone, since its value will go down if we cut it just under 3 Carats. Unless, of course, you have no problem in paying the price of a +3Ct. for a 2.75. And once you find such a stone, for example a 2.95, it already has to be cut relatively good for it to finish 2.75 in a super-ideal. Once again, 9 out of 10 stones will finish closer to 2.50 than around 2.75. 4. Then, you do not want to have whatever SI1-clarity. Obviously, there is no point in cutting such a fine stone, if it does not end up eye-clean. Also, you do not want specific feathers on the side, which might bring about a risk of breaking. Once again, we are rejecting a high percentage of the possible stones, because the inclusion is not eye-clean or too risky. 5. Finally, there is the technical point of the feasability of cutting or re-cutting. We have to reject stones, that are too risky because of tension and/or the location of the inclusion. 6. And I forgot to mention that we probably have to reject even more stones because of their fluorescence. Probably, you only want none or maximum faint fluorescence. All in all, this means that while looking for such a stone to start from, we constantly have to reject stones for one or more of the reasons above. I know that at some point in time, the suppliers will not bother to show goods to us anymore, because it is never good enough. And if we do happen to find one, the supplier will ask our last penny, because he knows that we desperately need it. I hope that it is clear now how difficult it is to put a time-frame on such an item, and that it is practically impossible to cut such a stone to order (unless you wish to pay a +3Ct-price). When I started this business, my first sale was a stone cut-to-order, and I had explained my customers all the extreme details of the 4 C's. I had sold a +1.65 Ct, H-SI1. When I tried to find a stone to cut this stone from, I found out all the difficulties. The customer was very patient with me, and waited for months, but no matter how hard we searched, we could not find the stone that we needed. In the end, we lost this sale, and I will try not to make the same mistake twice. Live long, Paul Paul Slegers |
| Posted: 4/8/2004 6:44:42 AM | |
| P: 4/8/2004 7:05:26 PM | |
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,936 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002 |
vtigger...stick to your guns. As you noted, the stones that nic and maristdout posted were not H&A and not ideal cut. The BN one is not H&A either. You have your parameters, stick with them because then you will not regret a 'sacrifice' later. It may take you longer, and you should consider items that fall within your budget that are maybe slightly smaller or I colored or similar...but if you can wait it out, you WILL find something at some point.
Good luck!!________________________________ |
| Posted: 4/8/2004 7:05:26 PM | |
| P: 4/8/2004 9:04:00 PM | |
elmo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,142 Last Post: 10/19/2009 Member Since: 6/18/2003 |
We are fortunate to have someone like Paul who will explain in great detail the business reasons behind why this is difficult. Either you get lucky or it takes a year or you compromise . I'm not sure that choosing either a 2.5 or a 3.25 is that bad a compromise though , nor would be paying a bit more for G and VS.
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| Posted: 4/8/2004 9:04:00 PM | |
| P: 4/8/2004 11:07:31 PM | |
diamondsman Ideal Rock Total Posts: 625 Last Post: 11/12/2009 Member Since: 11/11/2002 |
a stone in the catagory of a 2.70's+ in any shape are very desirable these days ,and are not that readily available.there are few in the catagory you are looking for and their prices are around the $20,790.00 for a nice stone that is got d=61 t=57 vg-vg none,if you are looking for ex-ex, in the 2.70 range is should be around 21,700.00 for the stone ,Like I said there are very few and if you find one grab it before it's gonnnnnnneeeee. Diamondsman |
| Posted: 4/8/2004 11:07:31 PM | |
| P: 4/8/2004 11:33:20 PM | |
dunndeal Rough Rock Total Posts: 65 Last Post: 9/25/2007 Member Since: 4/2/2004 |
These sizes are very hard to find and from experience I try to buy these stones whenever I see them in order to have an edge up on the competition. That being said whenever you find it, even if its a couple of percent higher than you wanted to pay, grab it! You never know when the next opportunity will appear!
Sean Dunn |
| Posted: 4/8/2004 11:33:20 PM | |
| P: 4/9/2004 2:48:59 AM | |
kmatt Rough Rock Total Posts: 5 Last Post: 4/12/2004 Member Since: 4/9/2004 |
vtigger86, Those are the same spec's I was looking for, except my ct range was 2.7-2.9 cts. If you live in the Los Angeles: Capri Jewelry 601 S. Hill St. #A1 Los Angeles, CA 90014 TEL: (213) 627-0459 SALES: Chris I have a beautiful 2.8 ct, H SI1, GIA Cert. Did a lot of research and they had the most inventory in that category. Good luck! kmatt |
| Posted: 4/9/2004 2:48:59 AM | |
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