are these proportions ok?

Todd L. Gray, President
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"Sometimes it's OK to throw rocks at girls...as long as they sparkle! "

Nicrez, G.G., A.J.P.

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On 4/7/2004 11:40:53 AM ambenj wrote:

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The stone is a DOG?
Wow- some consideration of feelings would be nice. We just dropped down alot of money for this so to hear that I bought a Dog is harsh.----------------

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On 4/7/2004 1:13:48 PM ambenj wrote:

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My feelings aren't 'hurt'- i just thought there was a more sensitve way to say that it may not be the best stone out there. I am interested in opinions but there was a better way to express that one.----------------

Amber, I sense that you may be not familiar with the fact that trade slang lingo for a stone that doesn't perform well is "a dog". 

I think we sometimes forget that new folks coming here may not be in the know on that.  On the surface, I'm sure it seems harsh, but NiceIce is in the trade and used the common lingo.  They are really nice people and didn't mean *any* offense at all by the term.

I also sense they didn't realize you'd already purchased the stone because they called it a "potential" dog.  In fact, I had to go back and reread your post, too, because I also didn't realize you'd already purchased it.  Typically these questions asking if a stone is ok come *before* someone makes a purchase, and we evidently missed the reference to "your new stone".

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On 4/7/2004 4:21:06 PM Nicrez wrote:

Then if all the stone apprasied for was $400, why not save the WHOLE ring, and just get a new ring entirely.  In the scheme of $400 versus $6000, it isn't really all that much.  Plus sentimentality...

Why not save the whole ring and get a new ring entirely?  Because she doesn't *want* to.  Did you read any of her comments at all?  Here are the facts:

1.  She wants to upgrade to larger stones.

2.  The old setting won't accommodate larger stones.  However, she doesn't want to part with her original ring, and she WANTS part of her old ring to remain with the new.   ("maybe should have traded in band too but wanted to save something of my original ring".)   Getting an entirely new ring isnt' the same thing at ALL.   

3.  To accommodate this desire, the jeweler is putting new heads on the existing ring.  

Geez, this woman just wants to upgrade to a larger stone and keep her original band......and that entitles everyone to pass judgment?  Did you read where she wrote how the ring means a lot to her because it symbolized how hard her hubby worked to get the ring when he had nothing?  Would you folks be passing judgment this way if she were trying to salvage a Stuller band instead of a Tiffany's band?  Has it occurred to any of you that she values the band for sentimental reasons and not JUST because it's a Tiff? 

Either way, I agree with Michelle that the jeweler who puts on a new head of a Tiffany's band is trying to pass it off as a true Tiffany's. 

No, he's not trying to pass off ANYTHING.  He is trying to help the OWNER of the ring get the larger stones she wants without entirely losing her original e-ring.  He's not "passing off" anything becuase *the owner KNOWS about it*.  He's not trying to dupe anyone, he's trying to help her get what SHE WANTS.

It's no different than people who took real Ralph Lauren straps and put them on fake RL bags.  I personally wouldn't buy one, but lots of people have.  I just like to respect the designer and the integrity of the work done.  Same if it were and heirloom.

I'm sorry, but in *this* case, it's *completely* different.  This isn't a handbag, ladies.....it's an *engagement ring*.....one that obviously has a great deal of *sentimental* value to the wearer.  It's not just any other purchase.  Just because she wants to upgrade the stones doesn't mean she has no sentiment for the ring.

In fact, Mara just got her e-ring altered.  She had been considering a larger stone, and if she had gone that route, it would have meant putting a new head on her custom-made engagement ring. 

Somehow, I don't think Mara would be getting the same flak and judgments from all of you if she had chosen that route, though, because her ring isn't a Tiffany.

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On 4/7/2004 6:19:20 PM CaptAubrey wrote:

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good grief people, it's her ring, she can do whatever the heck she wants with it, no matter where she bought it. if, someday, she tried to sell it as a 'tiffany' maybe there would be some issues, but it doesn't sound like she is ever going to do that. lighten up, already.

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On 4/7/2004 6:53:56 PM aljdewey wrote:

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On 4/7/2004 6:19:20 PM CaptAubrey wrote:

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good grief people, it's her ring, she can do whatever the heck she wants with it, no matter where she bought it. if, someday, she tried to sell it as a 'tiffany' maybe there would be some issues, but it doesn't sound like she is ever going to do that. lighten up, already.

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EXACTLY what I was trying to say, Capt. You just chose the more direct route!
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"Sometimes it's OK to throw rocks at girls...as long as they sparkle! "

Nicrez, G.G., A.J.P.

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On 4/8/2004 11:19:22 AM Nicrez wrote:

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I guess what I had issues with is the fact that if the band was not Tiffany's, then would it have been so sentimental?

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On 4/8/2004 11:19:22 AM Nicrez wrote:

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Al, I just agreed with Michelle, and if you will defend a woman for having her choice of stone size, you should agree we have the right to say whatever we want.

Yes, you have the right to say whatever you want.....and so do I, which means I have the right to say that I think your comments are baselessly self-righteous and judgmental.

I guess what I had issues with is the fact that if the band was not Tiffany's, then would it have been so sentimental.

And what *I* have issue with is that you ASSUME that the sentiment is toward the name and not toward the fact that it is her original e-ring.  Why don't you go back and read that thread CAREFULLY.  It wasn't the owner saying "I don't want to lose the Tiff name".......OTHERS were advising her to make sure the hallmark remained intact. 

I take issue with the fact that you ASSUME that she's a "name-monger" just because her ring comes from Tiff's.  She didn't choose that; her hubby did.

I am sorry, but I won't apologize about keeping a brand image true to it's integrity.  Again, I worked for a designer who would get ripped off CONSTANTLY.  It's so infuriating.  If someone's ring was designed by a designer whose work was known to be expensive and exclusive, and you changed the stone on it to make it look more expensive, then YES I would have a problem with it, and I think I have the right to say it.

You are still missing the point.  Yes, I'm sorry your designer gets ripped off....and I too can appreciate that frustration.  But this woman is NOT RIPPING THEM OFF, for Christ's sake!  The FULL Tiff premium was PAID for on her ring.  That is NOT ripping anyone off.  What's the problem.....you're issue is that it will look like she bought a BIGGER tiffany rock than she did?  SO WHAT?  She paid the premium for the Tiffany rock/band, and *I* personally don't believe other's should start disparaging her for wanting to change her ring.  And that's what *I* think.

Even if Tiffany's is the Friday's whipping child on this forum, I still respect their original designs and craftsmanship, and I can disagree with the concept of altering it deceptively,

Whether that's the case with Ambenj, I don't know.....

That's *right*...you DON'T know, and until you do, you should refrain from dragging someone's motives through the proverbial mud.  She is NOT altering the ring "deceptively".....she is NOT trying to get something (the Tiff name) without PAYING for it.  She is just trying to keep part of her original e-ring.....and if you haven't gotten that by now, you won't get it at all.

 

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On 4/7/2004 6:53:56 PM aljdewey wrote:

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On 4/7/2004 6:19:20 PM CaptAubrey wrote:

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good grief people, it's her ring, she can do whatever the heck she wants with it, no matter where she bought it. if, someday, she tried to sell it as a 'tiffany' maybe there would be some issues, but it doesn't sound like she is ever going to do that. lighten up, already.

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EXACTLY what I was trying to say, Capt. You just chose the more direct route!
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On 4/8/2004 7:18:37 PM MichelleCarmen wrote:

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but what happens if she passes this ring on to future generations and one of these individuals tries to sell the ring as an original Tiffany?  Someone will get ripped off.  Of course this is all speculative, but my opinion was stated entirely with the reminder that we have, in the past, had a poster here who bought a ring on eBay where the original Tiff diamond had been taken out and someone was still trying to pass this off as a Tiffany & Co. package deal, and this person's ring reminded me of this post.  Oh well, doesn't matter.  I won't be buying any Tiffany rings on eBay, so I'm safe. 


Michelle

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I see that point, but honestly........if someone is really concerned about "authenticity", what the hell are they doing buying a Tiff ring on ebay?  Hey, if *I'm* concerned with buying a *real* Rolex, I certainly don't think I'm gonna find it from a sidewalk vendor in NYC......know what I mean??

I just find it really, really hard to believe that everyone thinks it won't be noticeable to a trained eye that the head was replaced.  I mean, c'mon guys, we see more threads than Springmaid about how all these average Joe's can see the MINUTEST of differences in Tiff copies, and how NO ONE could mistake one of the replicas for an original.........and now we're supposed to buy that a trained professional wouldn't be able to see that the head of this ring has been altered?? 

It's great that everyone's all worried about someone who's not even born yet getting duped 60 years down the line by the altered Tiff ring, but I think everyone's getting just a bit fanatical about this.  Let this woman wear her ring in peace.

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