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P: 3/19/2004 10:01:54 AM
rtanner Rough Rock Total Posts: 11 Last Post: 3/25/2004 Member Since: 3/19/2004	Hi all! I've read through the site and just started looking. I am looking to spend $12k - $14k for a RB stone in the 1.7-1.8ct range. I was wondering if the experts could comment on the value of the following two stones: Stone #1: Carat weight: 1.69 Cut: Ideal Color: H Clarity: VS2 Depth %: 61.0% Table %: 57% Crown Angle: 34.4 Pavilion Angle: 40.5 Symmetry: Ideal Polish: Ideal Girdle: Medium to slightly thick, faceted Culet: None Fluorescence: None Measurements: 7.66x7.69x4.68 mm Price: $12k Stone #2: Carat weight: 1.82 Cut: Ideal Color: H Clarity: VS2 Depth %: 60.5% Table %: 56% Crown Angle: 35.2 Pavilion Angle: 40.6 Symmetry: Ideal Polish: Ideal Girdle: Thin, faceted Culet: Pointed Fluorescence: None Measurements: 7.93x7.96x4.81 mm Price: $14k Do either/both of these offer a good value for the price? Also, if you are able to suggest alternatives based on my specs and price range I'd appreciate it! I am looking primarily at H-VS2 and G-SI1. Thanks again! -Ron
Posted: 3/19/2004 10:01:54 AM

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P: 3/19/2004 10:22:51 AM
pqcollectibles Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,441 Last Post: 6/18/2005 Member Since: 2/23/2003	Both look like great performers. It's a win/win decision between these 2! The 1.8 will have a larger visual appearance. As an alternate, I found you an 1.754, H, SI1, with a very clean looking Cert Plot priced at $12348. http://www.dirtcheapdiamonds.com/diamond_detail.cfm?did=6946082 Good luck!! Tough choice!! Why use a big word when a diminutive word would be succinct! ____________________________________________________________ Just a regular person trying to be helpful. Consult a Pro prior to purchase!
Posted: 3/19/2004 10:22:51 AM

P: 3/19/2004 12:16:42 PM
diamondsman Ideal Rock Total Posts: 625 Last Post: 11/12/2009 Member Since: 11/11/2002	The numbers look nice, Who certified it? G.I.A,E.G.L,AGS. Price is a little high. Diamondsman buydiamonddirect.com
Posted: 3/19/2004 12:16:42 PM

P: 3/19/2004 12:22:57 PM
rtanner Rough Rock Total Posts: 11 Last Post: 3/25/2004 Member Since: 3/19/2004	They are both AGS-certified...if it's high, do you have any alternatives to recommend? Thanks!
Posted: 3/19/2004 12:22:57 PM

P: 3/19/2004 2:00:24 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,912 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	Hmm I don't think the pricing is high at all. I personally like the numbers on the first stone a little better but both should be beautiful!! PQ's option is very nice as well, kind of a bigger size and less on clarity, if its eye clean it would be a great deal. I prefer SI's if it lets me get a similar well-cut stone for more carat weight and same price. Good luck and great eye! ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 3/19/2004 2:00:24 PM

P: 3/19/2004 2:04:09 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,912 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	Other options. Note the 2nd VS2, very similar to your first stone and its almost same price. http://www.niceice.com/certcopies/gia13103623/index.htm 1.74 H SI1 AGS0 $11170 and http://www.niceice.com/certcopies/ags0003651309/index.htm 1.62 H VS2 AGS0 $11700 and http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/diamond_Details.aspx?itemcode=GIA-12927331# 1.65 H SI1 AGS0 $10200 (Pscope price): check out that IdealScope! ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 3/19/2004 2:04:09 PM

P: 3/19/2004 3:06:00 PM
rtanner Rough Rock Total Posts: 11 Last Post: 3/25/2004 Member Since: 3/19/2004	I am leaning towards the first stone. Here's the cert. Any additional comments? Does the fact that the inclusions show up only on the bottom view of the diagram mean they are not at all visible from the top?
Posted: 3/19/2004 3:06:00 PM

P: 3/19/2004 7:07:46 PM
rtanner Rough Rock Total Posts: 11 Last Post: 3/25/2004 Member Since: 3/19/2004	Here's another stone I am considering....would definitely welcome any feedback: Round 1.88 H VS2 GIA Depth 61.1 Table 56 7.97-8.03x4.89 md- no ex ex no Crown: 14.8% Pavilion: 42.9% Cutlet: 0.8% $13.3k Comments? Thanks!
Posted: 3/19/2004 7:07:46 PM

P: 3/20/2004 1:02:56 AM
rtanner Rough Rock Total Posts: 11 Last Post: 3/25/2004 Member Since: 3/19/2004	The crown pavilion angles on the above stone are 34.8 and 40.9 and it scores a 1.7 on the HCA. Is that too high? Decent cuts in the 1.7-1.9ct range have been hard to find and this seems like a pretty good price, so I don't want to pass it up if it will perform. Thanks for your help guys! -Ron
Posted: 3/20/2004 1:02:56 AM

P: 3/20/2004 2:07:13 AM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,912 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	The angles look good and the HCA is a very good score. Price is nice too. Seems like a winner if you feel that it is a good purchase. Have you seen it in person? Can you get pictures, Scope images, anything to finalize? ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 3/20/2004 2:07:13 AM

P: 3/22/2004 2:19:27 PM
rtanner Rough Rock Total Posts: 11 Last Post: 3/25/2004 Member Since: 3/19/2004	I have Whiteflash bringing the stone in to take a look...I will post pics when I receive them! Thanks!
Posted: 3/22/2004 2:19:27 PM

P: 3/23/2004 10:10:10 AM
rtanner Rough Rock Total Posts: 11 Last Post: 3/25/2004 Member Since: 3/19/2004	I've been hornswaggled! Despite the fact that we put Whiteflash put the stone on hold for me, the wholesaler sold the 1.88 to someone else! Back to the drawing board...
Posted: 3/23/2004 10:10:10 AM

P: 3/23/2004 11:26:29 AM
diamondsman Ideal Rock Total Posts: 625 Last Post: 11/12/2009 Member Since: 11/11/2002	yes these sizes sell fast these days,my advise is that you choose 3 stones that are to your likings, just in case the first ones are sold,and check the web. Diamondsman buydiamonddirect.com
Posted: 3/23/2004 11:26:29 AM

P: 3/23/2004 12:30:52 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,912 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	Disappointing!! Are you still checking into the 1.74 at NiceIce? Also, WhiteFlash has added new inventory recently to their round ideal cuts...some nice stuff. One that was catching my eye was an ideal cut 1.84 J VS2 stone with medium blue fluor. Brian said it faced up pretty darn nicely...I expect that the medium fluor and excellent cut is probably making it a light I. I would get more information on it and it's inhouse. Oh and its something like $8800. ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 3/23/2004 12:30:52 PM

P: 3/23/2004 12:39:54 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	---------------- On 3/19/2004 3:06:00 PM rtanner wrote: I am leaning towards the first stone. Does the fact that the inclusions show up only on the bottom view of the diagram mean they are not at all visible from the top? ---------------- Yes... this is what the diagram tries to say. Some may want the girdle "thin" but I would not consider this a major detraction. Souds like a nice stone to me And here are two intriguing finds at Abazias: Stock #7086022 AGS0 1.73 H SI1 $10,559 cert:AGS Stock #2312881 H&A 1.90 G SI1 $14,514 cert:AGS And at Dirtcheap Stock #6946082 AGS0 1.75 H SI1 $12,348 cert:AGS (HCA 1.9) and my winner would be: Stock #6937316 AGS0 2.19 F SI2 $16,145 cert:AGS (HCA 1 !) All I can see in the magnified picture of this one are some awesome arrows and a couple of specs near the girdle... at 10 o'clock. Tempting ? Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 3/23/2004 12:39:54 PM

P: 3/24/2004 5:54:16 PM
rtanner Rough Rock Total Posts: 11 Last Post: 3/25/2004 Member Since: 3/19/2004	Ok, I found another very promising stone and would like some feedback! Round 1.80 H SI1 GIA 60.9 Depth 55 Table Crown: 35.2 Pavilion: 40.7 7.89-7.91x4.81 Thin to Medium - Faceted Ex/Ex Polish/Symmetry Cutlet - None No Fluorescence HCA: 1.4 Price seems reasonable at $11.3k What do you guys think?
Posted: 3/24/2004 5:54:16 PM

P: 3/24/2004 6:05:15 PM
rtanner Rough Rock Total Posts: 11 Last Post: 3/25/2004 Member Since: 3/19/2004	Some more images...
Posted: 3/24/2004 6:05:15 PM

P: 3/24/2004 6:35:31 PM
diamondsman Ideal Rock Total Posts: 625 Last Post: 11/12/2009 Member Since: 11/11/2002	beautiful stone, price should be a bit below 11,000. ideal make, real beauty. Diamondsman buydiamonddirect.com
Posted: 3/24/2004 6:35:31 PM

P: 3/25/2004 9:48:57 AM
rtanner Rough Rock Total Posts: 11 Last Post: 3/25/2004 Member Since: 3/19/2004	Thanks...any more opinions? I want to get back to them today so I don't lose another one
Posted: 3/25/2004 9:48:57 AM

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