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| P: 12/20/2001 1:07:45 AM | |
JSummers Rough Rock Total Posts: 5 Last Post: 12/21/2001 Member Since: 12/17/2001 |
This is the Idealscope image of a diamond I am currently evaluating. As I see it is quite symmetrical, very good in the center but some leakage on the edges. Any comments are welcome.  
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| Posted: 12/20/2001 1:07:45 AM | |
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| P: 12/20/2001 5:13:08 AM | |
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,577 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
very nice stone :)
Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 12/20/2001 5:13:08 AM | |
| P: 12/20/2001 9:12:58 AM | |
Pricescope Administrator Total Posts: 8,265 Last Post: 1/5/2008 Member Since: 1/1/2000 |
Hi JSummers, Lovely stone. Tiny white Vs arroung the girdle are very normal and most of the diamonds will have them except EigtStar. How did you manage to make the picture? Pricescope |
| Posted: 12/20/2001 9:12:58 AM | |
| P: 12/20/2001 12:10:03 PM | |
barry Cut Rock Total Posts: 440 Last Post: 12/1/2003 Member Since: 3/22/2001 |
JSummers; Those tiny white V's at the girdle edge are not light leakage; rather the combination of the upper and lower girdle facets. I'm willing to bet this stone scores H-3 to VH on both color light and scintillation on the BrillianceScope. Barry www.superbcert.com "When Good Isn't Good Enough"
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| Posted: 12/20/2001 12:10:03 PM | |
| P: 12/20/2001 12:44:02 PM | |
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Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,577 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
Did you cut the stone Barry? it is very nice. The little white bits are caused by very small misalignment as you suggest, however they are leakage - white can only result from leakage from behind the stone. Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 12/20/2001 12:44:02 PM | |
| P: 12/20/2001 12:49:03 PM | |
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Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,577 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
If this file upload worked you will see a new schematic of how the Ideal-scope works. We will put this onto the website in due course.  Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 12/20/2001 12:49:03 PM | |
| P: 12/20/2001 1:02:41 PM | |
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barry Cut Rock Total Posts: 440 Last Post: 12/1/2003 Member Since: 3/22/2001 |
I don't know if this is a SuperbCert and I didn't mention anything about facets being mis-aligned. The point I did try to bring across is that the proper "angle" combination between the upper and lower girdle halves working in concert are significant contributors to the diamond's colored light and scintillation. I'm not at all certain that those very, very tiny bits of white light on the girdle edge observed under the FireScope or Ideal-Scope are "leakage". Barry www.superbcert.com "When Good Isn't Good Enough"
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| Posted: 12/20/2001 1:02:41 PM | |
| P: 12/21/2001 1:40:34 AM | |
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JSummers Rough Rock Total Posts: 5 Last Post: 12/21/2001 Member Since: 12/17/2001 |
I bought it! As for the picture, someone else did it, but I was told it was difficult. This is a great site and thanks everyone 
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| Posted: 12/21/2001 1:40:34 AM | |
| P: 12/21/2001 6:43:31 AM | |
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Pricescope Administrator Total Posts: 8,265 Last Post: 1/5/2008 Member Since: 1/1/2000 |
JSummers, congratulations! Enjoy your diamond - it's worth it. 
Pricescope |
| Posted: 12/21/2001 6:43:31 AM | |
| P: 12/22/2001 1:19:36 PM | |
Iiro Cut Rock Total Posts: 186 Last Post: 3/16/2009 Member Since: 9/8/2000 |
Hey, that was nice looking stone. but taking photos with ideal scope is not difficult. Shall I show my " high tech photo lab" and the result? Barry, what do you think the white area around the girdle is? S
Iiro Suokko G.G. |
| Posted: 12/22/2001 1:19:36 PM | |
| P: 12/22/2001 1:36:41 PM | |
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Pricescope Administrator Total Posts: 8,265 Last Post: 1/5/2008 Member Since: 1/1/2000 |
Hey Sibelius, Bring 'em up, please! How many i-s do you have left? Shall I send you the pro-model? Pricescope |
| Posted: 12/22/2001 1:36:41 PM | |
| P: 12/22/2001 2:06:02 PM | |
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Iiro Cut Rock Total Posts: 186 Last Post: 3/16/2009 Member Since: 9/8/2000 |
Hi, I dont know 1-3 maybe. I left few to my Antwerp contacts :) Pro model? Hmm maybe .. one please charge my card :) S Iiro Suokko G.G. |
| Posted: 12/22/2001 2:06:02 PM | |
| P: 12/23/2001 4:39:16 AM | |
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Iiro Cut Rock Total Posts: 186 Last Post: 3/16/2009 Member Since: 9/8/2000 |
he he is it big? S  Iiro Suokko G.G. |
| Posted: 12/23/2001 4:39:16 AM | |
| P: 12/23/2001 4:45:09 AM | |
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Iiro Cut Rock Total Posts: 186 Last Post: 3/16/2009 Member Since: 9/8/2000 |
My lab :) S  Iiro Suokko G.G. |
| Posted: 12/23/2001 4:45:09 AM | |
| P: 12/23/2001 6:41:38 AM | |
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Iiro Cut Rock Total Posts: 186 Last Post: 3/16/2009 Member Since: 9/8/2000 |
Barry, what do you think of this? S  Iiro Suokko G.G. |
| Posted: 12/23/2001 6:41:38 AM | |
| P: 12/23/2001 8:10:46 AM | |
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Pricescope Administrator Total Posts: 8,265 Last Post: 1/5/2008 Member Since: 1/1/2000 |
Thanks Sibelius :) You are a pro with digital cameras now! 
Pricescope |
| Posted: 12/23/2001 8:10:46 AM | |
| P: 12/23/2001 9:14:31 AM | |
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Iiro Cut Rock Total Posts: 186 Last Post: 3/16/2009 Member Since: 9/8/2000 |
He, A pro. Hmm more like a man and Nikon. The cost of my lab ( exluding the camera) is approx $40. $10 for the Ideal-scope $25 for the office light $5 for the whiter lamp . $0 for the broken jewellery dispaly plex $0.01 for the sheet of paper below the stone. S S Iiro Suokko G.G. |
| Posted: 12/23/2001 9:14:31 AM | |
| P: 12/23/2001 9:18:59 AM | |
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Iiro Cut Rock Total Posts: 186 Last Post: 3/16/2009 Member Since: 9/8/2000 |
I use the same system for my jewellery pics. only I add round white paper sylinder and shoot trhough a hole in anoter office light over the item. S Iiro Suokko G.G. |
| Posted: 12/23/2001 9:18:59 AM | |
| P: 12/23/2001 12:13:13 PM | |
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barry Cut Rock Total Posts: 440 Last Post: 12/1/2003 Member Since: 3/22/2001 |
Sibelius; That is really a very clever and ingenious "photo" studio you have built. From your picture, though, it is difficult to see how you balance the diamond. What does the diamond "sit" on and how do you balance it? Is your plexiglas clear or opaque? Do you have any problem centering your Nikon over the IS lens to take the picture? Your photo is actually very good and clear.  Barry www.superbcert.com "When Good Isn't Good Enough"
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| Posted: 12/23/2001 12:13:13 PM | |
| P: 12/23/2001 2:19:30 PM | |
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barry Cut Rock Total Posts: 440 Last Post: 12/1/2003 Member Since: 3/22/2001 |
Sibelius; Also how do handle Garry's point about holding the diamond "free" and not placing it on a tray so as not to get "distortion"? Barry www.superbcert.com "When Good Isn't Good Enough"
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| Posted: 12/23/2001 2:19:30 PM | |
| P: 12/23/2001 2:42:11 PM | |
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Iiro Cut Rock Total Posts: 186 Last Post: 3/16/2009 Member Since: 9/8/2000 |
Sibelius; That is really a very clever and ingenious "photo" studio you have built. Thanks :) From your picture, though, it is difficult to see how you balance the diamond. What does the diamond "sit" on and how do you balance it? It sits on a coinical hole i teh plexiclass. Is your plexiglas clear or opaque? clear. Do you have any problem centering your Nikon over the IS lens to take the picture? I check with my eye first and then I just put it on it. The camera touches the IS and I center it with gentle hands. Thanks for asking. If you try it you will find its easy job. S Iiro Suokko G.G. |
| Posted: 12/23/2001 2:42:11 PM | |
| P: 12/23/2001 2:59:02 PM | |
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Iiro Cut Rock Total Posts: 186 Last Post: 3/16/2009 Member Since: 9/8/2000 |
hmm Garry says its better not to have any plex. His opinion is we should observe the reality not the distorted reality. I say we have to have steady environment for comparable results. I have no problem to use tweesers when I do not take photos but taking photos documenting information. Photos always lie, but I try to reduce the amount of lies by following a procedure. The same lighting, the same settings to camera the same treatment in photoshop ( crop, cut, flatten layers and so on). Also I use the plex for practical reasons. The reading info on those photos is another issue. If I know how I have taken the photos I can compare them and results of newer photos. Sorry Garry, I will use the plex. S Iiro Suokko G.G. |
| Posted: 12/23/2001 2:59:02 PM | |
| P: 12/24/2001 6:42:05 PM | |
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Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,577 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
I like your problem solving approach S! As to the plexi glass - using the white difuser paper directly underneath the plexi will assist solving some of the light direction problems. Well done. Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 12/24/2001 6:42:05 PM | |
| P: 12/24/2001 6:51:07 PM | |
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Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,577 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
The quality of that phot is amazing for our cheap lens quality Iiro. That has been done with just a $20 instrument!!! Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 12/24/2001 6:51:07 PM | |
| P: 12/25/2001 2:04:52 AM | |
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Iiro Cut Rock Total Posts: 186 Last Post: 3/16/2009 Member Since: 9/8/2000 |
Hi Garry, I am glad you liked it:) Did you put a $20 lens to a $10 scope? S Iiro Suokko G.G. |
| Posted: 12/25/2001 2:04:52 AM | |
| P: 12/25/2001 9:38:52 AM | |
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barry Cut Rock Total Posts: 440 Last Post: 12/1/2003 Member Since: 3/22/2001 |
Hi Sibelius, Garry; Happy Holidays to you both! What do suppose your picture would look like with the $35 Pro-Model? Barry www.superbcert.com "When Good Isn't Good Enough"
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| Posted: 12/25/2001 9:38:52 AM | |
| P: 12/25/2001 9:59:58 AM | |
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Iiro Cut Rock Total Posts: 186 Last Post: 3/16/2009 Member Since: 9/8/2000 |
I would expect more sharp edges from facets. While I am waiting for my pro model to arrive( Thanks GArry), you can go to nearest Nikon dealer and buy 995 Nikon coolpix. I am sure you have that much left from this season sales. :) S Iiro Suokko G.G. |
| Posted: 12/25/2001 9:59:58 AM | |
| P: 12/25/2001 12:22:23 PM | |
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barry Cut Rock Total Posts: 440 Last Post: 12/1/2003 Member Since: 3/22/2001 |
"Superb" advice, Sibelius. Actually,I already purchased the Nikon-995 2 weeks ago. It is an amazing camera! I'll take up your suggestion and see to take some digital shots with your suggested set-up. Barry www.superbcert.com "When Good Isn't Good Enough"
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| Posted: 12/25/2001 12:22:23 PM | |
| P: 12/25/2001 2:34:06 PM | |
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Iiro Cut Rock Total Posts: 186 Last Post: 3/16/2009 Member Since: 9/8/2000 |
Put it on M mode From Menu . Metering: spot Macro mode disable flash From +/- button below the screen and wheel under OFF button reduce the incoming light to -1.7 Aim and Shoot S Iiro Suokko G.G. |
| Posted: 12/25/2001 2:34:06 PM | |
| P: 12/25/2001 2:36:42 PM | |
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Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,577 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000 |
$20 and $10 lens are exactly the same - 6X. The Pro model has an additional lens making it about 10X. It is in a sexier black casing, but we still design it to be light and portable and an inexpensive tool so that all people can have access and that jewellers can take it with them for buying. I am considering a patenting the next generation of instrument. An inventors work is never done. Merry Xmas to all who celebrate it and Happy everything else to everyone else (I don't like the term 'Happy Holiday') Garry Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT |
| Posted: 12/25/2001 2:36:42 PM | |
| P: 12/26/2001 6:58:02 AM | |
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barry Cut Rock Total Posts: 440 Last Post: 12/1/2003 Member Since: 3/22/2001 |
Thanks, Sibelius! I will be in touch with you soon. Barry www.superbcert.com "When Good Isn't Good Enough"
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| Posted: 12/26/2001 6:58:02 AM | |
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