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1.04 Carats Diamond

P: 10/6/2009 10:45:22 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	Hello All, I found this diamond for 7967. Is this price reasonable? Thanks Carat Weight: 1.04 Color: F Clarity: VVS1 Depth%: 62.2 Table %: 58.0 Symmetry: EX Cert: GIA View Polish: EX Girdle: - Culet: N Fluorescence: SB Measurements: 6.46-6.48-4.02 Cut Grade: Ideal/Excellent
Posted: 10/6/2009 10:45:22 PM

There are 54 replies to this message. There are 30 replies on this page.

P: 10/6/2009 11:11:11 PM
thelvyn123 Rough Rock Total Posts: 33 Last Post: 10/8/2009 Member Since: 9/25/2009	Looks like a really good price. Similar diamond on Blue Nile going for 9346 http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-ideal-cut-f-color-vvs1-clarity_LD01427500
Posted: 10/6/2009 11:11:11 PM

P: 10/6/2009 11:23:55 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	Thanks.
Posted: 10/6/2009 11:23:55 PM

P: 10/7/2009 3:34:40 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,910 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Can you list the crown and pavilion angles, star and lower half number for this stone? That will determine the cut performance of this stone.
Posted: 10/7/2009 3:34:40 AM

P: 10/7/2009 4:19:01 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,243 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Hi stitch and welcome! Can you also post the crown and pavilion angles, star and lower girdle facet percentages too please? This info will be on the grading report. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 10/7/2009 4:19:01 AM

P: 10/7/2009 11:42:31 AM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	Hi All, I am not sure what I am doing :) Here is what I see in the report Top : from left to right Medium, 55%, 58%, 15%, 36 degree Bottom from left to right Slightly thick (faceted) 80%, 62.2% , 43%, 40.8 degree
Posted: 10/7/2009 11:42:31 AM

P: 10/7/2009 12:00:57 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,910 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Not that good. Too large a pavilion angle for that crown angle, if you can get an Idealscope image I might reconsider, if it is based just on numbers I would give it a miss and look for some other stones. Date: 10/7/2009 11:42:31 AM Author: stitch Top : from left to right Medium, 55%, 58%, 15%, 36 degree Bottom from left to right Slightly thick (faceted) 80%, 62.2% , 43%, 40.8 degree Star = 55% Table = 58% Crown Ht = 15% Crown Angle = 36 degrees Lower Half = 80% Total Depth = 62.2% Pavilion Depth = 43% Pavilion Angle = 40.8 degree.
Posted: 10/7/2009 12:00:57 PM

P: 10/7/2009 12:20:48 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	Hi stone-cold what is the idealscope?
Posted: 10/7/2009 12:20:48 PM

P: 10/7/2009 12:23:26 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,910 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Here. http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=education-performance Check with your vendor if he provides it.
Posted: 10/7/2009 12:23:26 PM

P: 10/7/2009 12:27:14 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	Here is the picture from the grading report [Link removed by Moderator] See forum policies
Posted: 10/7/2009 12:27:14 PM

P: 10/7/2009 12:30:35 PM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,243 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	From what I can see the diamond has potential but really an Idealscope image is needed for that angle combo. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 10/7/2009 12:30:35 PM

P: 10/7/2009 12:34:34 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	Here is the cut section from grading report
Posted: 10/7/2009 12:34:34 PM

P: 10/7/2009 12:35:53 PM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,243 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 10/7/2009 12:34:34 PM Author: stitch Here is the cut section from grading report Thank you stitch! An Idealscope would be a big help if you could get one, is the diamond for sale online? Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 10/7/2009 12:35:53 PM

P: 10/7/2009 12:37:47 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	Yah I got the link through pricescope. It is at Abasiaz
Posted: 10/7/2009 12:37:47 PM

P: 10/7/2009 12:57:59 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	I just got informed that they don't have the idealscope available.
Posted: 10/7/2009 12:57:59 PM

P: 10/7/2009 1:03:33 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,910 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	yap, then I would prefer to go with a vendor that can provide an IS. What are you looking for and what is your budget? Maybe we can find something for you?
Posted: 10/7/2009 1:03:33 PM

P: 10/7/2009 1:06:13 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	Hi stone-cold My budget is from 7500 to 8000. Is it possible to get a good stone with this price range ? Thanks
Posted: 10/7/2009 1:06:13 PM

P: 10/7/2009 1:09:44 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,910 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	yap, drop the clarity to VS range, you will not be able to see any difference between a VS and an IF unless you have superhuman vision. For example this. http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1259866.asp Request an Idealscope from JA as a confirmation just to be safe if you are interested.
Posted: 10/7/2009 1:09:44 PM

P: 10/7/2009 1:12:28 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	is there big different between vs and vvs?
Posted: 10/7/2009 1:12:28 PM

P: 10/7/2009 1:19:18 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,910 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Nope, not to normal viewing. If you can't see it, you can't see it, why pay for it? http://www.goodoldgold.com/4Cs/Clarity/VVS/ http://www.goodoldgold.com/4Cs/Clarity/VS/
Posted: 10/7/2009 1:19:18 PM

P: 10/7/2009 1:53:53 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	I email JA for the idealscope. They won't have it until monday. For the 1.04 what are the ideal numbers?
Posted: 10/7/2009 1:53:53 PM

P: 10/7/2009 1:57:25 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,910 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	For the 1.04c, a PA of 40.5-40.6 degrees would be ideal. 40.8 could work if the optical symm is good and the lower half is large enough, which is why we need to see an Idealscope image to be sure.
Posted: 10/7/2009 1:57:25 PM

P: 10/7/2009 6:04:44 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	Update : I just stop by a local jeweler and he offers this stone for 7800 Color : F - 1.01 carats Clarity : IF Cut : Excellent Depth%: 60.9 Table %: 59.9 Symmetry: EX Cert:GIA Polish: very good Girdle: Fluorescence: SB Measurements: I don't remember He shows me the GIA report, which is dated 2003. It has laser inscription which match the number on the diamond. This cert doesn't have the angles information. He says that old certs don't have this information. When I ask about the idealscope, he says he doesn't have one. However, he shows me the stone through some kind of magnification glass that has blue tube. When I look under it, it looks like star shapes that are beautiful. However I have no idea what I am looking at. He says that if I buy from him, he will offer a 90% buy back and 100% buy back for stone upgrade. Is this reasonable price?
Posted: 10/7/2009 6:04:44 PM

P: 10/7/2009 6:17:33 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,910 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	What he shows you is a H&A scope, to view optical symm, not the optical performance of the stone. This tutorial. http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=education-precision Ya, older report do not have the angles measurement. Price sounds too good. Best to check out the cut of the stone. Also ask him is this a bought back/trade up stone? Do you have an independent appraiser near you that you can employ to check out the stone? If it is a used stone, a slight chip in the girdle will result in a drop in grade from IF, and a vast difference in price, best use a pro to check it out.
Posted: 10/7/2009 6:17:33 PM

P: 10/7/2009 6:25:00 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	Thanks stone-cold
Posted: 10/7/2009 6:25:00 PM

P: 10/7/2009 6:35:24 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	I just talk to him about this. He informs me that the diamond is a bought/trade back. He says that he can send to GIA to have it re-appraise with a new report. If the stone is not the same as the old report or as he claimed, he will pay for the fee. If it is still like the old report condition, I will have to pay for the fee.
Posted: 10/7/2009 6:35:24 PM

P: 10/7/2009 6:57:06 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,910 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Sounds good. Even if you get an independent appraiser, I think the cost is about the same. But you will have to take a risk in the proportion, as GIA Ex cut allows for some deep cuts that are not as good. How did it perform when you are viewing it? Have you view it under different condition, out of store lighting?
Posted: 10/7/2009 6:57:06 PM

P: 10/7/2009 7:58:17 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	After reading the site that you provided, I ran back and look under that scope again. I see the heart shapes and the crown. To me they look similar to the perfect conditions. He shows it under uv light. I looked under neon light but couldn't find anything. It has blueish color. He said that the cost to have GIA to reexamine and issue new cert is 150 is this right?
Posted: 10/7/2009 7:58:17 PM

P: 10/7/2009 8:00:18 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,910 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	yap, that's about the price from what I remember reading here.
Posted: 10/7/2009 8:00:18 PM

P: 10/7/2009 8:04:52 PM
stitch Cut Rock Total Posts: 120 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	thanks stone-cold
Posted: 10/7/2009 8:04:52 PM

P: 10/8/2009 5:30:04 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,243 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 10/7/2009 6:04:44 PM Author: stitch Update : I just stop by a local jeweler and he offers this stone for 7800 Color : F - 1.01 carats Clarity : IF Cut : Excellent Depth%: 60.9 Table %: 59.9 Symmetry: EX Cert:GIA Polish: very good Girdle: Fluorescence: SB Measurements: I don't remember He shows me the GIA report, which is dated 2003. It has laser inscription which match the number on the diamond. This cert doesn't have the angles information. He says that old certs don't have this information. When I ask about the idealscope, he says he doesn't have one. However, he shows me the stone through some kind of magnification glass that has blue tube. When I look under it, it looks like star shapes that are beautiful. However I have no idea what I am looking at. He says that if I buy from him, he will offer a 90% buy back and 100% buy back for stone upgrade. Is this reasonable price? A GIA report which is pre early 2006 won't have the proportions or a cut grade so a Sarin or Helium scan is needed to get the proportions, an appraiser might be able to do this for you. Yes for a full GIA report it costs in the region of $150. It sounds like a h&a viewer he was using to show you the hearts. As it is a trade in I would either want a new report from GIA or an independant appraisal performed on the diamond to check for damage etc. appraiser tool. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 10/8/2009 5:30:04 AM

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