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HELP - Looking for a 2+ carat , AGS000 / Hearts & Arrows diamond

P: 10/6/2009 10:24:59 PM
SteveO Rough Rock Total Posts: 9 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	Hello, I am looking to find a 2+ Carat - AGS000 / Hearts & Arrows diamond. I am considering WhiteFlash, Good Old Gold, Tiffany's and open to others that display visual reports/images. I believe the signature cuts mask out some of the yellow tints from lower color grades and inclusions. I am in the printing industry so my trained eyes are very sensitive to color and inclusions. Please let me know if any one of these stand out more than the others or direct me to find something that is. Thank you for your time. Whiteflash ACA 2.214 ct H SI1 Whiteflash ACA http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2169554.htm 2.26 ct I VS2 Whiteflash ACA http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/Diamond_Details.aspx?idno=2126023 2.52 ct J VS1 Whiteflash ACA http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-68226.htm Good Old Gold 2.13ct G SI1 Round Hearts and Arrows Diamond Shape: Round Carat Weight: 2.13ct Color: G Clarity: SI1 AGS Cut Grade: Ideal AGS Light Performance: Ideal Optical Symmetry: Superior Polish: Ideal Symmetry: Ideal Fluorescence: None Culet: None Lab Report: AGS Lab Report #: 10054410 In House: Yes Width: 8.31mm Length: 8.32mm Depth: 5.10mm Table Percentage: 56.31% Depth Percentage: 61.38% Crown پع: 34.13پ‹ Pavilion پع: 41.02پ‹ ////////////////////////////////////////////// 2.16ct F SI2 Round Hearts and Arrows Diamond Shape: Round Carat Weight: 2.16ct Color: F Clarity: SI2 AGS Cut Grade: Ideal AGS Light Performance: Ideal Optical Symmetry: Superior Polish: Ideal Symmetry: Ideal Fluorescence: None Culet: None Lab Report: AGS Lab Report #: 10054409 In House: Yes Width: 8.33mm Length: 8.36mm Depth: 5.13mm Table Percentage: 56.23% Depth Percentage: 61.47% Crown پع: 34.19پ‹ Pavilion پع: 40.99پ‹
Posted: 10/6/2009 10:24:59 PM

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P: 10/6/2009 11:03:13 PM
Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,316 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004	In this case, I think you WF options are more attractive. Given your color sensitivity...go look and see how you like the spread between H & J (out in the world with some GIA or AGS graded diamonds that are 2 + carats). Use your own taste this way to seal the deal. Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. ____________ If you're looking for diamond shopping tips...this (along with this update) might do the trick! however...caution: known to have been regarded as armed and dangerous…
Posted: 10/6/2009 11:03:13 PM

P: 10/6/2009 11:27:49 PM
SteveO Rough Rock Total Posts: 9 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	Here are the GOG specs: 2.13ct G SI1, http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/5302/ 2.16ct F SI2, http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/5303/
Posted: 10/6/2009 11:27:49 PM

P: 10/7/2009 12:13:13 AM
Regular Guy Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,316 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2004	I had found all 5 here. Ira (Ruffles have Ridges) Z. ____________ If you're looking for diamond shopping tips...this (along with this update) might do the trick! however...caution: known to have been regarded as armed and dangerous…
Posted: 10/7/2009 12:13:13 AM

P: 10/7/2009 5:11:13 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Hi Steve All the diamonds show potential, as you say you are colour and inclusion sensitive, I would suggest you do this. If there is a Jareds closeby go there and view their AGS0 Peerless of similar sizes to the diamonds you are considering and in various colour grades. This will give you an idea of how sensitive you are, also if there is a Hearts on Fire dealer near you, you could go there too. If you are unsure then I would stick to G or H colour at the highest and be very specific concerning visible inclusions particularly in SI clarity grades. Clarity is graded face up so if you don't want to see any visible inclusions from any angle or distance, make sure you tell the vendor that so you are on the same page so to speak. If you are very interested in any of the above diamonds, the next step is to contact the vendors and find out if any of the SI clarities are eyeclean, then you can go from there. Here are some more vendors you can consider who also offer all the above info. www.highperformancediamonds.com www.briangavindiamonds.com www.niceice.com www.jamesallen.com www.exceldiamonds.com Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 10/7/2009 5:11:13 AM

P: 10/7/2009 8:59:19 PM
SteveO Rough Rock Total Posts: 9 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	Great suggestions, looks like I have my homework to do. One of the F SI2 runners up - has a large feather(s) but apparently not extending to the surface nor eye visible or extremely faint.
Posted: 10/7/2009 8:59:19 PM

P: 10/7/2009 10:32:31 PM
MissGotRocks Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,590 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 6/23/2005	If you are sensitive to both color and clarity, then I'd go with the 2.13 G from GOG. It is one of the more expensive stones but I think the inclusions are smaller and a G color would please most anyone. The numbers are great on the stone as well. I don't think you'd be disappointed with it!
Posted: 10/7/2009 10:32:31 PM

P: 10/8/2009 4:27:57 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 10/7/2009 8:59:19 PM Author: SteveO Great suggestions, looks like I have my homework to do. One of the F SI2 runners up - has a large feather(s) but apparently not extending to the surface nor eye visible or extremely faint. Just check with Jon concerning the feather, he will be able to reassure you and or tell you if the diamond is suitable for your purposes. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 10/8/2009 4:27:57 AM

P: 10/8/2009 8:18:20 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	While I realize you are somewhat sensitive given the nature of your job, I am wondering if the lady that will wear it is? Many women will take size over other factors, given it's a great cut, which these are. Just some food for thought. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 10/8/2009 8:18:20 AM

P: 10/9/2009 4:27:50 PM
SteveO Rough Rock Total Posts: 9 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	I noticed that some of the online diamonds have AGS or GIA certifications that are older in date (2005, 2007, etc.). Does this mean that this particular diamond has been in the market for awhile without ever being purchased or re-purchased?
Posted: 10/9/2009 4:27:50 PM

P: 10/9/2009 5:48:01 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,885 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Either that or they are buy back or trade up stones.
Posted: 10/9/2009 5:48:01 PM

P: 10/10/2009 5:59:42 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 10/9/2009 4:27:50 PM Author: SteveO I noticed that some of the online diamonds have AGS or GIA certifications that are older in date (2005, 2007, etc.). Does this mean that this particular diamond has been in the market for awhile without ever being purchased or re-purchased? Quite possible, or they could be trade ins, ask Jon - but sometimes it takes a diamond a while to find a home. I am not sure if diamonds which are traded in get a new grading report or not. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 10/10/2009 5:59:42 AM

P: 10/28/2009 9:21:13 PM
SteveO Rough Rock Total Posts: 9 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	Here are the specs of a diamond that I am considering. The photograph shows a hint of tint of yellow... but I was told it's not. The size may be a little over the top for a size 6 finger - but feel that this may be a good option. Please let me know your honest opinions and thoughts on this one... Report Type: Diamond Quality™ Document Shape and Style: Round Brilliant Measurements: 9.35 - 9.38 x 5.82 mm Cut Grade: AGS Ideal 0 Color Grade: AGS 2.5 (I) Clarity Grade: AGS 4 (VS2) Carat Weight 3.135 Fluorescence: Negligible Comments: Polish: Ideal Symmetry: Ideal Table: 56.7% Crown Angle: 34.9 Crown Height: 15.2% Girdle: Faceted, 1.6% to 4.0% Pavilion Angle: 41.1 Pavilion Depth: 43.6% Star Length: 55% Lower Girdle Length: 78% Total Depth: 62.2% Culet: Pointed
Posted: 10/28/2009 9:21:13 PM

P: 10/29/2009 3:40:17 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,885 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	IS looks good to me. Do not judge the color of the stone by the loupe image. Does it has a hearts image or you are loosening that requirement?
Posted: 10/29/2009 3:40:17 AM

P: 10/29/2009 4:19:17 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 10/28/2009 9:21:13 PM Author: SteveO Here are the specs of a diamond that I am considering. The photograph shows a hint of tint of yellow... but I was told it's not. The size may be a little over the top for a size 6 finger - but feel that this may be a good option. Please let me know your honest opinions and thoughts on this one... Report Type: Diamond Quality™ Document Shape and Style: Round Brilliant Measurements: 9.35 - 9.38 x 5.82 mm Cut Grade: AGS Ideal 0 Color Grade: AGS 2.5 (I) Clarity Grade: AGS 4 (VS2) Carat Weight 3.135 Fluorescence: Negligible Comments: Polish: Ideal Symmetry: Ideal Table: 56.7% Crown Angle: 34.9 Crown Height: 15.2% Girdle: Faceted, 1.6% to 4.0% Pavilion Angle: 41.1 Pavilion Depth: 43.6% Star Length: 55% Lower Girdle Length: 78% Total Depth: 62.2% Culet: Pointed It looks like a very nice diamond, ask for the gemologist to inspect the diamond and discuss how the colour grade shows itself with you. Lovely size also! Is it a True Hearts? Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 10/29/2009 4:19:17 AM

P: 10/29/2009 4:52:21 PM
SteveO Rough Rock Total Posts: 9 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	They are going to send me more photo's and hopefully a video clip. I have requested a hearts image but remember them telling me that it's not a true H&A. They rattled off that it was slightly off or the spread was 1%. Not sure what this means since I am just doing my homework before making a purchase. Based on the cut specs above and the IScope does this possibly look like a winner? The IS and arrows look good to me but I am not an expert. They don't have the ability to do a BScope and I plugged the numbers above into HCA and believe that it came up with 2.9. Not sure if this is correct. The diamond is an AGS0. More pictures to come.
Posted: 10/29/2009 4:52:21 PM

P: 10/29/2009 5:00:22 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,885 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Don't bother about the HCA score when you have the image. It looks good. Since it is not a True Hearts, you will not get the hearts image as they are not selling that to you as a H&A.
Posted: 10/29/2009 5:00:22 PM

P: 10/29/2009 5:52:24 PM
diamondsman Ideal Rock Total Posts: 625 Last Post: 11/12/2009 Member Since: 11/11/2002	HI SINCE YOU ARE COLOR CONCIOUS I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON "H" COLOR OR BETTER . ESPECIALLY IF THE STONE IS CUT TO IDEAL PROPORTIONS YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SEEING ANY TINGE OF YELLOW I ALSO PREFER THE VS2 OR BETTER QUALITY, AS I HAVE SEEN MANY SI2 THAT ARE ON THE BORDERLINE OF NOT BEING AN EYE CLEAN I WOULD SHOP AROUND AND COMPARE PRICES , PRICES CAN VARY FOR SIMILAR STONES Diamondsman buydiamonddirect.com
Posted: 10/29/2009 5:52:24 PM

P: 10/29/2009 8:06:27 PM
SteveO Rough Rock Total Posts: 9 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	looks white face-up
Posted: 10/29/2009 8:06:27 PM

P: 10/29/2009 8:07:52 PM
SteveO Rough Rock Total Posts: 9 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	another pic
Posted: 10/29/2009 8:07:52 PM

P: 10/29/2009 8:09:04 PM
SteveO Rough Rock Total Posts: 9 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 10/6/2009	.
Posted: 10/29/2009 8:09:04 PM

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