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Might buy it!! Nervous and need advice on specific diamond

P: 8/26/2009 3:04:15 PM
zabak80 Rough Rock Total Posts: 49 Last Post: 11/3/2009 Member Since: 8/26/2009	Well, I think I found it! It fits in my range, and has the stats I was looking for: AGL Cut Grade: AGS Ideal Light Perf: AGS Ideal Polish: AGS Ideal Symmetry: AGS Ideal Color Grade I AGS 2.5 Clarity VS2 AGS 4 Ct: 1.460 Pav Angle: 55.3 Depth: 60.7 7.38 x 7.39 x 4.49 I REALLY need some advice on this one. It was just recently re-cut to get the AGS000. And now the images!!!!!!!!!!! [FORUM VIOLATION- Link removed by Moderator]
Posted: 8/26/2009 3:04:15 PM

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P: 8/26/2009 3:47:18 PM
zabak80 Rough Rock Total Posts: 49 Last Post: 11/3/2009 Member Since: 8/26/2009	More Info: Report Type: The Platinum Light Performance Diamond QualityŽ Document Shape and Style: Round Brilliant Measurements: 7.38 - 7.39 x 4.49 mm Cut Grade: AGS Ideal 0 Color Grade: AGS 2.5 (I) Clarity Grade: AGS 4 (VS2) Carat Weight 1.460 Fluorescence: Negligible Comments: "AGSL " has been inscribed on the girdle of this diamond. Pinpoints are not shown. Light Performance: 0 Polish: Ideal Symmetry: Ideal Table: 55.3% Crown Angle: 34.1 Crown Height: 15.1% Girdle: Bruted, 0.9% to 3.6% Pavilion Angle: 41.0 Pavilion Depth: 43.4% Star Length: 54% Lower Girdle Length: 76% Total Depth: 60.7% Culet: Pointed
Posted: 8/26/2009 3:47:18 PM

P: 8/26/2009 4:08:45 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	It looks good. Question. Is this being sold as a H&A diamond? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/26/2009 4:08:45 PM

P: 8/26/2009 5:55:32 PM
zabak80 Rough Rock Total Posts: 49 Last Post: 11/3/2009 Member Since: 8/26/2009	No, it's not sold as a "Hearts & Arrow" diamond as part of the marketing. It was actually just re-polished to achieve a AGS000 and just got back to the jewelers. H & A is nice, but not a deal breaker for me. Would this qualify as a H & A? Think it is good enough to order and check out in person?
Posted: 8/26/2009 5:55:32 PM

P: 8/26/2009 6:00:45 PM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 8/26/2009 5:55:32 PM Author: zabak80 No, it's not sold as a 'Hearts & Arrow' diamond as part of the marketing. It was actually just re-polished to achieve a AGS000 and just got back to the jewelers. H & A is nice, but not a deal breaker for me. Would this qualify as a H & A? Think it is good enough to order and check out in person? Not by the majority of vendors who sell them around here. And if it had been advertised as such, I personally would not want to pay the H&A premium for such a stone. However, they are not necessary for a diamond to be pretty either, so yes, I think you should have a look at it! BTW, that size is great. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/26/2009 6:00:45 PM

P: 8/26/2009 6:01:53 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	It is against forum policy to link to outside images. I am posting the images for you.
Posted: 8/26/2009 6:01:53 PM

P: 8/26/2009 6:02:58 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	real.
Posted: 8/26/2009 6:02:58 PM

P: 8/26/2009 6:03:30 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	IS
Posted: 8/26/2009 6:03:30 PM

P: 8/26/2009 6:03:56 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Hearts
Posted: 8/26/2009 6:03:56 PM

P: 8/26/2009 6:04:25 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Arrows
Posted: 8/26/2009 6:04:25 PM

P: 8/26/2009 6:05:04 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Good IS image, but not a H&A stone.
Posted: 8/26/2009 6:05:04 PM

P: 8/26/2009 6:15:56 PM
sarap333 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,168 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 4/5/2009	Date: 8/26/2009 6:05:04 PM Author: Stone-cold11 Good IS image, but not a H&A stone. Ditto, Stone. But if you didn't pay for H&A, you like the way it looks, and it was priced right, you got a very nice stone. SaraPJ
Posted: 8/26/2009 6:15:56 PM

P: 8/26/2009 6:50:48 PM
zabak80 Rough Rock Total Posts: 49 Last Post: 11/3/2009 Member Since: 8/26/2009	Thanks for posting the images, I didn't know how to. So I guess it's safe to say that all the images check out ok and it would be worth it ordering and looking at it in person (they have a 30 day money back policy). The price is 7000 - 7500. Reasonable? Also, it was a 1.3 on the HCA. Do you think this would be in the (very large) ballpark of maybe a Tiffany?
Posted: 8/26/2009 6:50:48 PM

P: 8/26/2009 7:03:16 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Ya, price looks reasonable.
Posted: 8/26/2009 7:03:16 PM

P: 8/27/2009 12:43:50 AM
sarap333 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,168 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 4/5/2009	Date: 8/26/2009 6:50:48 PM Author: zabak80 Thanks for posting the images, I didn't know how to. So I guess it's safe to say that all the images check out ok and it would be worth it ordering and looking at it in person (they have a 30 day money back policy). The price is 7000 - 7500. Reasonable? Also, it was a 1.3 on the HCA. Do you think this would be in the (very large) ballpark of maybe a Tiffany? I don't know exactly what you mean about Tiffany, but if you are asking if this stone is similar in quality to what Tiffany sells, I would say yes, this is a high quality stone graded by a well-respected lab. SaraPJ
Posted: 8/27/2009 12:43:50 AM

P: 8/27/2009 3:19:06 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,225 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	It is what I would call " near h&a", it doesn't pass for h&a as we see them here, but it looks like a very nice diamond and if you aren't bothered about having a picture perfect h&a then well worth consideration. Thank you for the images SC, very helpful! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/27/2009 3:19:06 AM

P: 8/27/2009 6:49:48 AM
zabak80 Rough Rock Total Posts: 49 Last Post: 11/3/2009 Member Since: 8/26/2009	SaraP, yes that is what I meant. Tiffany has excellent diamonds, but I do believe them to be overpriced. Would this be a reasonable alternative that would be similar in quality to something that you may find at their store? I'm not looking for a H&A diamond specifically. I don't think I could afford one in the size I am looking for within my price range. My girlfriend, like many other people, hold Tiffany as the gold standard. I'm looking for something that could compete.
Posted: 8/27/2009 6:49:48 AM

P: 8/27/2009 7:53:10 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Definitely on par with a Tiffany stone.
Posted: 8/27/2009 7:53:10 AM

P: 8/27/2009 8:00:26 AM
zabak80 Rough Rock Total Posts: 49 Last Post: 11/3/2009 Member Since: 8/26/2009	Thank God for this website and forum. I really don't know what I would do without it. (Probably pay twice as much for a stone that isn't half as nice at the mall). I'm 99% there. Any other opinions?
Posted: 8/27/2009 8:00:26 AM

P: 8/27/2009 8:51:33 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,225 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 8/27/2009 6:49:48 AM Author: zabak80 SaraP, yes that is what I meant. Tiffany has excellent diamonds, but I do believe them to be overpriced. Would this be a reasonable alternative that would be similar in quality to something that you may find at their store? I'm not looking for a H&A diamond specifically. I don't think I could afford one in the size I am looking for within my price range. My girlfriend, like many other people, hold Tiffany as the gold standard. I'm looking for something that could compete. This one could I believe, great example of a near h&a which should compare very favourably. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/27/2009 8:51:33 AM

P: 8/27/2009 9:27:34 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 8/27/2009 8:00:26 AM Author: zabak80 Thank God for this website and forum. I really don't know what I would do without it. (Probably pay twice as much for a stone that isn't half as nice at the mall). I'm 99% there. Any other opinions? You already have mine, but I just wanted to reassure you that it looks like a very nice diamond. As for being on par with Tiffs, it is definitely on par with some of their diamonds, and above par on others. Their cut parameters are not extremely strict, we've seen some not so hot diamonds from them. So rest assured, you've done well here. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/27/2009 9:27:34 AM

P: 8/27/2009 11:16:13 AM
zabak80 Rough Rock Total Posts: 49 Last Post: 11/3/2009 Member Since: 8/26/2009	THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! I wasn't even this nervous when taking my bar exam! As I found out, diamond buying is also much, much more complicated. I'm going to do it!
Posted: 8/27/2009 11:16:13 AM

P: 8/27/2009 11:18:42 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,225 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 8/27/2009 11:16:13 AM Author: zabak80 THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! I wasn't even this nervous when taking my bar exam! As I found out, diamond buying is also much, much more complicated. I'm going to do it! YAY!!!! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 8/27/2009 11:18:42 AM

P: 8/27/2009 11:31:55 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Good Luck. :)
Posted: 8/27/2009 11:31:55 AM

P: 8/27/2009 11:32:19 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	Date: 8/27/2009 11:16:13 AM Author: zabak80 THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! I wasn't even this nervous when taking my bar exam! As I found out, diamond buying is also much, much more complicated. I'm going to do it! Who knew, huh? Congrats, and you are most welcome! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 8/27/2009 11:32:19 AM

P: 8/27/2009 10:04:28 PM
zabak80 Rough Rock Total Posts: 49 Last Post: 11/3/2009 Member Since: 8/26/2009	One thing I forgot to add...it had to be re-cut a few times to achieve the 0 in polish, and it has a bruted girdle. Would that still affect it? Would I be better off gambling on this diamond from Bluenile that scored a .6 on the HCA, but doesn't have the idealscope, etc.??? Stock number: LD01506697 Price: $7,510 Bank wire price: $7,398 Carat weight: 1.40 Cut: Ideal Color: I Clarity: VS2 Price per carat: $5,364 Depth %: 61.7% Table %: 56% Symmetry: Ideal Polish: Ideal Girdle: Medium to thick Culet: None Fluorescence: Negligible Measurements: 7.14 x 7.17 x 4.42 mm
Posted: 8/27/2009 10:04:28 PM

P: 8/28/2009 7:32:48 AM
zabak80 Rough Rock Total Posts: 49 Last Post: 11/3/2009 Member Since: 8/26/2009	^^^^ Last question, I promise!
Posted: 8/28/2009 7:32:48 AM

P: 8/28/2009 7:51:00 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Date: 8/27/2009 10:04:28 PM Author: zabak80 One thing I forgot to add...it had to be re-cut a few times to achieve the 0 in polish, and it has a bruted girdle. Would that still affect it? Would I be better off gambling on this diamond from Bluenile that scored a .6 on the HCA, but doesn't have the idealscope, etc.??? Stock number: LD01506697 Price: $7,510 Bank wire price: $7,398 Carat weight: 1.40 Cut: Ideal Color: I Clarity: VS2 Price per carat: $5,364 Depth %: 61.7% Table %: 56% Symmetry: Ideal Polish: Ideal Girdle: Medium to thick Culet: None Fluorescence: Negligible Measurements: 7.14 x 7.17 x 4.42 mm How did you know that it was re-cut a few times? Who told you that? Who graded this stone? If you can't provide the link, provide the report number at least. Need the numbers to know how you get that HCA score.
Posted: 8/28/2009 7:51:00 AM

P: 8/28/2009 8:01:00 AM
zabak80 Rough Rock Total Posts: 49 Last Post: 11/3/2009 Member Since: 8/26/2009	It was re-cut by a jeweler, and was regraded by AGS with the new certificate that was posted. I originally was interested in it prior to it being re-cut, and when I requested more info, the seller told me it was being re-cut for the AGS0. The number on the report is AGS 01040369040001 Sorry, forgot to add the angles for the BN diamond: 35.3, 40.5, 61.7 depth, 56.1 table
Posted: 8/28/2009 8:01:00 AM

P: 8/28/2009 8:03:51 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,879 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	I mean the BN stone. Nothing wrong with the original stone being recut to a AGS0.
Posted: 8/28/2009 8:03:51 AM

P: 8/28/2009 8:12:01 AM
zabak80 Rough Rock Total Posts: 49 Last Post: 11/3/2009 Member Since: 8/26/2009	Oh sorry. Here is the link to the BN: http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-ideal-cut-i-color-vs2-clarity_LD01506697#grading_report And the HCA: Selected: 61.7% depth, 56.1% table, 35.3° crown angle, 40.5° pavilion angle The result is for a symmetrical diamond with a medium girdle and very good polish HCA scores were adjusted Dec. 15, 2001 and Feb. 6, 2003. Factor Grade Light Return Excellent Fire Excellent Scintillation Excellent Spread or diameter for weight Very Good Total Visual Performance 0.6 - Excellent within TIC range Click here to read usage warnings and information. This diamond actually popped up late last night and caught my eye. Of course, BN doesn't provide anything else except the certificate, which makes it very inconvenient.
Posted: 8/28/2009 8:12:01 AM

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