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P: 6/5/2009 8:26:25 AM
bimsuper Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 7/10/2009 Member Since: 6/5/2009	There are so many optionis and so much information and I'm exahusted from looking. I have $4200 to spend and I want to get the best looking Round cut diamond I can find. Quality comes before size. I've looked at every combination of specs that exist. Any suggestions from an expert?
Posted: 6/5/2009 8:26:25 AM

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P: 6/5/2009 8:29:42 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,928 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	That budget is just for the rock or includes the setting?
Posted: 6/5/2009 8:29:42 AM

P: 6/5/2009 8:42:45 AM
bimsuper Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 7/10/2009 Member Since: 6/5/2009	$4200 is just for the rock.
Posted: 6/5/2009 8:42:45 AM

P: 6/5/2009 8:44:01 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,928 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Color specs?
Posted: 6/5/2009 8:44:01 AM

P: 6/5/2009 8:45:11 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,271 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 6/5/2009 8:26:25 AM Author:bimsuper There are so many optionis and so much information and I'm exahusted from looking. I have $4200 to spend and I want to get the best looking Round cut diamond I can find. Quality comes before size. I've looked at every combination of specs that exist. Any suggestions from an expert? I don't see any experts around at the moment, but as a knowledgeable and very experienced consumer I will try to help you! What are you looking for exactly, the highest colour and clarity such as D IF, VVS etc, or D - G colour VS clarity? ETA - you are in luck, David Atlas who is one of our highly respected experts just logged in! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 6/5/2009 8:45:11 AM

P: 6/5/2009 8:46:15 AM
oldminer Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,966 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/4/2000	You have a conflict in your goals. The "best looking" diamond will likely not be a D color and Internally flawless stone, However, it must be finely cut, such as an AGS0 graded rock. If you truly want "quality comes before size" then only D-IF would make the grade. You may want to think about what you want versus what you describe. Most people on Pricescope seem to want a finely cut diamond with reasonable compromises in color and clarity. F-H color and VS1 to SI1 is probably the sweet range for high quality color and clarity. This may help you target with more security. David S. Atlas GG(GIA), ASG, Sr. Mbr. NAJA www.datlas.com
Posted: 6/5/2009 8:46:15 AM

P: 6/5/2009 9:30:01 AM
DiaGem Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,927 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 10/21/2004	Date: 6/5/2009 8:46:15 AM Author: oldminer You have a conflict in your goals. The 'best looking' diamond will likely not be a D color and Internally flawless stone, However, it must be finely cut, such as an AGS0 graded rock. If you truly want 'quality comes before size' then only D-IF would make the grade. You may want to think about what you want versus what you describe. Most people on Pricescope seem to want a finely cut diamond with reasonable compromises in color and clarity. F-H color and VS1 to SI1 is probably the sweet range for high quality color and clarity. This may help you target with more security. AGS0's are not the only 'finely cut' Diamonds out there..., as a matter of fact..., its just ONE example of many options out there! AGS '0' is one grade at a fine gemological laboratory..., its not a brand! ********************** >Y< Yoram F. Antique Diamond Gem http://www.diagem.net/ "When it doesn't exist, design it..." Sir Henry Royce
Posted: 6/5/2009 9:30:01 AM

P: 6/5/2009 9:53:31 AM
bimsuper Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 7/10/2009 Member Since: 6/5/2009	So if I'm understanding you correctly when looking for quality start with the best cut you can find then work back though color and clarity. How then can you determeine the best cut. If I only search for ideal cut diamonds are there major differences between them or are they all going to sparkle about the same?
Posted: 6/5/2009 9:53:31 AM

P: 6/5/2009 10:06:46 AM
bimsuper Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 7/10/2009 Member Since: 6/5/2009	What about something like this? http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1218736.asp
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:06:46 AM

P: 6/5/2009 10:10:38 AM
oldminer Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,966 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 9/4/2000	I think you have it right. To my mind, and to many others, AGS has developed the "AGS BRAND". Yes, AGS0 is a particular take on what makes a finely cut diamond and those who adopt it with great fervor are using AGS0 as a BRAND indentity as well as many others who use it as a grade only. There are other potentially fine cut and highly beautiful models to choose from, but for a novice who is smart enough to not trust everything someone tells them, AGS0 is one safe way to go. That's why I suggest it. One could write a book on viable alternatives, but AGS has done a good job of making their case. David S. Atlas GG(GIA), ASG, Sr. Mbr. NAJA www.datlas.com
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:10:38 AM

P: 6/5/2009 10:20:20 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,928 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	I would prefer this. http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1213132.asp
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:20:20 AM

P: 6/5/2009 10:22:49 AM
jet2ks Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,581 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 2/4/2009	Date: 6/5/2009 10:06:46 AM Author: bimsuper What about something like this? http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1218736.asp It is showing a little leakage in the IS image and is borderline steep/deep. It is a well above average stone, but I wouldn't call it exceptional based on the IS. EDT: Lorelei is right, it may not be noticeable IRL. Any of my opinions are worth exactly what you paid for them. "The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself." Benjamin Franklin
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:22:49 AM

P: 6/5/2009 10:22:55 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,271 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 6/5/2009 10:06:46 AM Author: bimsuper What about something like this? http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1218736.asp Its a nice diamond, the angles are a bit on the steep and deep side with what looks to be a small amount of leakage in the Idealscope image - but it might not be visible in real life. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:22:55 AM

P: 6/5/2009 10:32:04 AM
TopoDazzle Cut Rock Total Posts: 301 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 5/27/2009	I am absolutely no expert, but a newbie like you, and I just wanted to mention that this website and along with all the recommendations for the good old gold website have really helped me. Just speaking from my experience trying to learn more about diamonds, the videos he does for clients or just for edification make lots of abstract points and qualities about diamonds very clear to me. I don't know if it helps at all, but since the stone you mention is a H&A, I thought I would give you a link to this video of a stone in your price range at the GOG site. http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4828/ Their homepage currently has two other videos on round brilliant stones, and which kinds of rounds one might pick. Hope that helps.
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:32:04 AM

P: 6/5/2009 10:39:01 AM
bimsuper Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 7/10/2009 Member Since: 6/5/2009	Wow you guys are great. I think I'm going to go with an H&A cut, H or better, and VVS2 or better for around $4200 (just the stone). Any other suggested stone will be appreciated. I will probably pick one that is suggested on this forum.
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:39:01 AM

P: 6/5/2009 10:40:58 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,271 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 6/5/2009 10:39:01 AM Author: bimsuper Wow you guys are great. I think I'm going to go with an H&A cut, H or better, and VVS2 or better for around $4200 (just the stone). Any other suggested stone will be appreciated. I will probably pick one that is suggested on this forum. We can certainly suggest some diamonds but as their inventory isn't up and you need to enquire, I wanted to mention this vendor www.briangavindiamonds.com Call or email Lesley to see what they have which might suit you, they have spectacular h&a branded stones and Brian has a superb eye. Here are some suggestions. http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/5981/ http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/P839165/ http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4343/ Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:40:58 AM

P: 6/5/2009 10:42:13 AM
canuk-gal Ideal Rock Total Posts: 9,195 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 4/19/2004	HI: I am not an expert...but here's one: (H IF) http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-1445168.htm cheers--Sharon "People who possess great qualities, do not need to show off".
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:42:13 AM

P: 6/5/2009 10:44:29 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,928 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	These 3? F VS2 http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4957/ D SI1 http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4958/ F SI1 http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4958/
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:44:29 AM

P: 6/5/2009 10:47:01 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,271 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 6/5/2009 10:44:29 AM Author: Stone-cold11 These 3? F VS2 http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4957/ D SI1 http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4958/ F SI1 http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4958/ I think he said he wants VVS2 clarity or better SC. Those look nice though. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:47:01 AM

P: 6/5/2009 10:50:15 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,928 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Oops, scratch that then, didn't noticed his new requirements.
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:50:15 AM

P: 6/5/2009 10:58:06 AM
Kelli Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,581 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 5/27/2008	I just wanted to add that you're pretty much guarateed eye clean at VS2, so there's no need to pay for vvs. You'll never see inclusions in a VS stone.
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:58:06 AM

P: 6/5/2009 11:02:45 AM
bimsuper Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 7/10/2009 Member Since: 6/5/2009	Thanks. Ill drop down to VS2 then.
Posted: 6/5/2009 11:02:45 AM

P: 6/5/2009 11:04:44 AM
TopoDazzle Cut Rock Total Posts: 301 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 5/27/2009	This one falls outside your clarity parameters a smidge, but if you felt like maximizing size some, maybe this one would be a decent choice? (To my untrained eye, those seem like tiny tiny flaws in the micro images, but it could also just be that an H-VS1 ended up being our choice for my Ering. lol.) Perhaps the experts might not favor this stone tho? .88ct, H VS1 http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/5957/
Posted: 6/5/2009 11:04:44 AM

P: 6/5/2009 11:07:38 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,271 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 6/5/2009 11:04:44 AM Author: ksluice This one falls outside your clarity parameters a smidge, but if you felt like maximizing size some, maybe this one would be a decent choice? (To my untrained eye, those seem like tiny tiny flaws in the micro images, but it could also just be that an H-VS1 ended up being our choice for my Ering. lol.) Perhaps the experts might not favor this stone tho? .88ct, H VS1 http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/5957/ Its a great diamond Ksluice. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 6/5/2009 11:07:38 AM

P: 6/5/2009 11:09:31 AM
sarap333 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,168 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 4/5/2009	Date: 6/5/2009 11:02:45 AM Author: bimsuper Thanks. Ill drop down to VS2 then. You will be absolutely fine with VS2 and in many cases SI1 as far as being able to see anything with your eyes. Plus you may have difficulty locating them with a 10X loupe unless a jeweler shows you what to look for. These clarity ranges will save you a lot of money and will have no effect on the beauty of the stone. SaraPJ
Posted: 6/5/2009 11:09:31 AM

P: 6/5/2009 11:09:43 AM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,477 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	Date: 6/5/2009 11:02:45 AM Author: bimsuper Thanks. Ill drop down to VS2 then. Very smart. No sense in paying for what you can't see.
Posted: 6/5/2009 11:09:43 AM

P: 6/5/2009 11:17:32 AM
bimsuper Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 7/10/2009 Member Since: 6/5/2009	Date: 6/5/2009 11:04:44 AM Author: ksluice This one falls outside your clarity parameters a smidge, but if you felt like maximizing size some, maybe this one would be a decent choice? (To my untrained eye, those seem like tiny tiny flaws in the micro images, but it could also just be that an H-VS1 ended up being our choice for my Ering. lol.) Perhaps the experts might not favor this stone tho? .88ct, H VS1 http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/5957/ That's exactly the type of diamond I'm looking for. Anyone else have any more detailed thoughts on this diamond or know of any that are comparable? Thanks ksluice.
Posted: 6/5/2009 11:17:32 AM

P: 6/5/2009 11:18:54 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,271 Last Post: 11/25/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 6/5/2009 11:17:32 AM Author: bimsuper Date: 6/5/2009 11:04:44 AM Author: ksluice This one falls outside your clarity parameters a smidge, but if you felt like maximizing size some, maybe this one would be a decent choice? (To my untrained eye, those seem like tiny tiny flaws in the micro images, but it could also just be that an H-VS1 ended up being our choice for my Ering. lol.) Perhaps the experts might not favor this stone tho? .88ct, H VS1 http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/5957/ That's exactly the type of diamond I'm looking for. Anyone else have any more detailed thoughts on this diamond or know of any that are comparable? Thanks ksluice. That is a great diamond Ksluice posted and it could be a great choice if you are in fact ok with lowering the clarity, VS1 should be totally eyeclean. If you are ok with these clarity grades then we can take another look as this broadens the options considerably. Stonecold posted this one earlier which is also worth looking at http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4957/ Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 6/5/2009 11:18:54 AM

P: 6/5/2009 11:28:44 AM
bimsuper Rough Rock Total Posts: 15 Last Post: 7/10/2009 Member Since: 6/5/2009	Based on what I've been hearing I'm ok with lowering the clarity.
Posted: 6/5/2009 11:28:44 AM

P: 6/5/2009 4:18:43 PM
TopoDazzle Cut Rock Total Posts: 301 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 5/27/2009	So glad. It's hard to give something back on this site when everyone is so helpful and so much more knowledgeable!
Posted: 6/5/2009 4:18:43 PM

P: 6/5/2009 4:33:13 PM
rosebud10 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 554 Last Post: 10/11/2009 Member Since: 8/5/2008	I can see an inclusion with my eye in my vs2 diamond (gia certed). Maybe I just have crazy picky eye? If the recipient has really picky eyes.. maybe go up to vs1?
Posted: 6/5/2009 4:33:13 PM

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