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FIC vs. good ol' TIC?

P: 1/6/2004 10:27:25 AM
Hughey J Rough Rock Total Posts: 25 Last Post: 4/29/2004 Member Since: 12/10/2003	Funny how one pays attention to everyone else's rings once one starts doing some diamond research! Over the holidays I was looking at my GF's sister's huge rock from across a dimly-lit room, and was noticing the beautiful flashes of colour (I'm Canadian, so it's spelled right!). This made me lean toward finding a FIC cut as opposed to a TIC or BIC. In my opinion (and I think <and hope!> my GF's opinion too), the flashes of colour are more stunning than white flashes. Does anyone know of drawbacks with favouring the FIC? Will a TIC give the same 'firey' flashes as an FIC? Under what lighting conditions will a FIC look different from a TIC? Thanks in Adavance to anyone who can answer my queries.
Posted: 1/6/2004 10:27:25 AM

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P: 1/6/2004 10:47:16 AM
highendgems Rough Rock Total Posts: 51 Last Post: 1/20/2004 Member Since: 12/31/2003	the best is to find something in between, with a leaning toward FIC. try to hit these dimensions (1.5 carats) 7.44 x 7.4 x 4.56 61.7 depth 56 table 14 crown 43.5 pavilion thin to medium girdle very good-ex symmetry ex. polish this will score near or just below 1.0 on the HCA for both BIC, FIC and TIC...an incredible cut round diamond.
Posted: 1/6/2004 10:47:16 AM

P: 1/6/2004 10:50:11 AM
aljdewey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,236 Last Post: 2/11/2008 Member Since: 11/25/2002	Well, I feel there are a few drawbacks to the FIC. First, they are harder to find because the crown angle on an FIC is steeper than most diamonds. Second, the crown angle is often so steep that the diamond falls outside the criteria for "ideal" proportions. Third, FIC diamonds often look smaller than their actual weight. The often have a smaller table, and the steep crown makes the diamond appear smaller than its weight. (This is the opposite of BIC diamonds, which are shallow crowns and tend to have more spread--look visually bigger than their weight.) The TIC is a good blend of fire, scintillation, and brilliance. TICs do display a great deal of fire....especially in dim light situations like you described....without sacrificing the visual size. I've never had the opportunity to compare a TIC and an FIC side by side in various lighting conditions, but I can tell you that my TIC produces SERIOUS fiery flashes of color. I, too, was focused on getting fire, and I think the TIC fits the bill nicely. If you focus on well-cut diamonds with a crown angle between 34.3-34.8 and a pavilion angle of 40.6-40.9....along with good depth/table figures, you should come up with a diamond that has gorgeous fire and light return. _____________________ Note: Chainsaw Not Sold Separately.
Posted: 1/6/2004 10:50:11 AM

P: 1/6/2004 10:58:20 AM
DiamondLil Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,405 Last Post: 6/1/2006 Member Since: 6/8/2003	It would be nice to see a side-by-side image of a same-size FIC, BIC, and TIC. Is this possible? Diamondlil DiamondLil ________________ "Diamonds are nothing more than chunks of coal that stuck to their jobs."
Posted: 1/6/2004 10:58:20 AM

P: 1/6/2004 11:00:24 AM
Giangi Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,530 Last Post: 10/29/2006 Member Since: 1/23/2003	Is that diamond EGL graded? _____________ Omnia Mea Mecum Porto. Giangi
Posted: 1/6/2004 11:00:24 AM

P: 1/6/2004 12:05:14 PM
glitterata Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,365 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/17/2002	Was the lady in question wearing her ring near christmas lights? That could explain the extra colors and sparkle.
Posted: 1/6/2004 12:05:14 PM

P: 1/6/2004 2:11:57 PM
derekinla Cut Rock Total Posts: 467 Last Post: 6/16/2005 Member Since: 9/8/2003	Maybe "Cut Nut" (or some of the other experts or vendors) can chime in here and perhaps post some pics of a FIC, TIC, and BIC all side by side under some different lighting conditions? Derek in Los Angeles
Posted: 1/6/2004 2:11:57 PM

P: 1/6/2004 2:21:35 PM
aneelcon Cut Rock Total Posts: 248 Last Post: 10/22/2004 Member Since: 12/3/2002	what is a TIC And BIC? I think FIC is Fiery ideal cut right? I'm guessing BIC is brilliant ideal cut?????? edumacate me please
Posted: 1/6/2004 2:21:35 PM

P: 1/6/2004 4:47:24 PM
Hughey J Rough Rock Total Posts: 25 Last Post: 4/29/2004 Member Since: 12/10/2003	BIC = Brilliant Ideal Cut TIC = Tolkowsky Ideal Cut FIC = Fiery Ideal Cut They're all slightly different cut ratios that fall within "ideal" cut standards. This explains it better that I ever could: http://www.diamond-cut.com.au/23_bicfic.htm Mr. Holloway's website explains tons in detail. Glitterata: Nope, the diamond at which I was peering wasn't near Christmas lights, just average incandescant overhead lights. Derek: I too was hoping CutNut would chime in with some examples! (Other than the computer-simulated examples on his site)
Posted: 1/6/2004 4:47:24 PM

P: 1/6/2004 5:22:58 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,922 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	A good example of a FIC cut would have a small table (e.g. 54%) and a slightly larger depth (but still hopefully under or around 62%). The crown angle could be over 35 and the pav angle would still need to be in a good range but not too steep. The smaller the table the more FIRE in the stone vs white light, combine this with a slightly deepers stone and you've got a nice looking FIC. For example if you had: 54% table 62% depth 35.2 crown angle 40.5 pav angle It would score: .6 on the HCA with EX EX EX VG TIC but would most likely place more emphasis on FIRE than white brilliance. This same stone but with a 57% table and a 62% depth would need a 34 or similar crown angle and a 40.5 pav angle and would return more white light than colored light to your eye. It may only be minimal in terms of visibility, e.g. how your eye will perceive it. 57% table 62% depth 34 crown angle 40.5 pav angle Would score .6 on HCA with same EX EX EX VG but would place more emphasis on WHITE brilliance than fire. ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 1/6/2004 5:22:58 PM

P: 1/6/2004 5:48:01 PM
canadiangrrl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 787 Last Post: 3/19/2008 Member Since: 6/10/2003	Greetings, fellow Canuck. Keep on spelling things correctly and putting the 'u' where it belongs. The Christmas lights comment is a good observation - most diamonds, even if they're not particularly well cut, will still exhibit some sparkle and flash in the right lighting. The stone you viewed might not be an FIC, but given certain lighting environments, it could still show flashes of coloured light (dispersion/fire.) Sursum Corda! Mess with Texas.
Posted: 1/6/2004 5:48:01 PM

P: 1/7/2004 1:25:01 AM
derekinla Cut Rock Total Posts: 467 Last Post: 6/16/2005 Member Since: 9/8/2003	Garry? Rhino Any handy pics of FIC's, TIC's, and BIC's handy to show? Derek in Los Angeles
Posted: 1/7/2004 1:25:01 AM

P: 1/7/2004 1:30:03 AM
Caratz Cut Rock Total Posts: 222 Last Post: 6/21/2008 Member Since: 6/4/2002	---------------- On 1/7/2004 1:25:01 AM derekinla wrote: Garry? Rhino Any handy pics of FIC's, TIC's, and BIC's handy to show? ---------------- My guess is that it is next to impossible to capture these subtle difference in still photography.
Posted: 1/7/2004 1:30:03 AM

P: 1/7/2004 2:27:22 AM
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,582 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000	I have some great DiamCalc movies - but they are such humungous files even when they are reduced with codec. But I could email some models to Leonid and all those with GemAdviser could load and play them Hows that? Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT HCA and Ideal-scope developer http://www.ideal-scope.com and http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au
Posted: 1/7/2004 2:27:22 AM

P: 1/7/2004 4:16:13 AM
Beth Cut Rock Total Posts: 256 Last Post: 3/7/2009 Member Since: 8/2/2003	Can somebody refer me to the location of information for the stats of a FIC ? The ones provided here are for a 1.5, what about other sizes? Hi Garry !
Posted: 1/7/2004 4:16:13 AM

P: 1/7/2004 5:43:37 AM
Garry H (Cut Nut) Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,582 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 8/16/2000	Hi Beth, good to have ya here You know I was once anal retentive read all about it here http://www.diamond-cut.com.au/23_bicfic.htm Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT HCA and Ideal-scope developer http://www.ideal-scope.com and http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au
Posted: 1/7/2004 5:43:37 AM

P: 1/7/2004 7:31:49 AM
Pricescope Administrator Total Posts: 8,265 Last Post: 1/5/2008 Member Since: 1/1/2000	Garry asked me to post these GemAdviser files: TIC.gem BIC.gem FIC.gem Pricescope
Posted: 1/7/2004 7:31:49 AM

P: 1/7/2004 8:56:38 AM
diamond dazed Rough Rock Total Posts: 92 Last Post: 2/11/2004 Member Since: 9/30/2003	I'm glad you brought this up -- that FIC, TIC, BIC has baffled me. The page, and espcially the chart, that Cut Nut linked to was VERY helpful. Thanks, Kris 'I ask not for a larger garden, but for finer seeds.' - Russell Herman Conwell
Posted: 1/7/2004 8:56:38 AM

P: 1/7/2004 11:30:22 AM
aljdewey Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,236 Last Post: 2/11/2008 Member Since: 11/25/2002	---------------- On 1/7/2004 7:31:49 AM leonid wrote: Garry asked me to post these GemAdviser files: TIC.gem BIC.gem FIC.gem ---------------- Okay...how come I keep getting an error page when I click on these links? _____________________ Note: Chainsaw Not Sold Separately.
Posted: 1/7/2004 11:30:22 AM

P: 1/7/2004 5:24:03 PM
Hughey J Rough Rock Total Posts: 25 Last Post: 4/29/2004 Member Since: 12/10/2003	Thank you all so much for your input. Interesting stuff. I'll soon have a decent computer of my own on which to download such things as GemAdviser (can't be putting policy-breaking programs like that on company computers!). I'm away on business yet again, having my Diamond-buying plans foiled again! Once back, I should be able to proceed, giving the details and posting pictures... I have yet to try photographing anything up close, so beware - bad pics could be on the way!
Posted: 1/7/2004 5:24:03 PM

P: 1/7/2004 8:16:21 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	---------------- On 1/7/2004 7:31:49 AM leonid wrote: Garry asked me to post these files: ---------------- Hm... these do not work for me either. Quite tempting though How big are the files? Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 1/7/2004 8:16:21 PM

P: 1/7/2004 9:01:19 PM
mercerdnky Rough Rock Total Posts: 22 Last Post: 7/30/2004 Member Since: 9/1/2003	I can't open the files either. Can anyone tell us what to do?
Posted: 1/7/2004 9:01:19 PM

P: 1/9/2004 2:28:06 AM
derekinla Cut Rock Total Posts: 467 Last Post: 6/16/2005 Member Since: 9/8/2003	files still not working Derek in Los Angeles
Posted: 1/9/2004 2:28:06 AM

P: 1/12/2004 12:18:42 PM
knowverylittle Rough Rock Total Posts: 98 Last Post: 2/8/2004 Member Since: 11/5/2003	>>I can't open the files either. Can anyone tell us what to do? It looks likely either the files are really not on the Server or (more likely) Leonid needs to configure the tutor virtual directory in IIS.
Posted: 1/12/2004 12:18:42 PM

P: 1/15/2004 9:36:20 AM
Hughey J Rough Rock Total Posts: 25 Last Post: 4/29/2004 Member Since: 12/10/2003	I'll contact Leonid to see if the links can be fixed.
Posted: 1/15/2004 9:36:20 AM

P: 1/15/2004 10:15:49 AM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	If you like the looks of a true FIC stone, then an OEC may be for you. Tables tend to be very small (51,52) with deeper depths (64 ish). Keep in mind that a stone such as this will appear smaller. Many people, myself included, like the richness of a stone like this & will sacrifice on size appearance. Good luck with whatever you choose.
Posted: 1/15/2004 10:15:49 AM

P: 1/15/2004 10:16:03 AM
bacon Rough Rock Total Posts: 72 Last Post: 1/16/2004 Member Since: 8/16/2000	This is Personal!!!!!! Don't get bogged down in the number game. Numbers are important but are not the be all and end all. Numbers measure only about 17 of 57 facets. That leaves lots of room for a lesser cutter to take advantage of a consumer too reliant on numbers instead of their eyes. Use your Eyes. Use both. Use the numbers too. Learn the look you like best. Don't let others sway you. L@@K at scores of diamonds at least. In many many many lighting situations. Study your most common lighting situation carefully. Fire is my favorite part. That is my bias. Any silvered mirror can be brillant and reflect 100% of the light. Ya wanna wear a mirror? 8-) Or something that demands attention from across the room? Kinda cool having your eye grabbed so firmly that way from so far away by something so small, huh? Didya lose track of the conversation you were in? then you are a true diamond lover. The magic of the union of the crystal and the cutter! Exactly, it is a personal perference. L@@K L@@K L@@K L@@K L@@K L@@K L@@K Then you will Know when you see it! (the diamond that is yours) Respectfully Joe (alphatbet soup)
Posted: 1/15/2004 10:16:03 AM

P: 1/15/2004 10:21:31 AM
bacon Rough Rock Total Posts: 72 Last Post: 1/16/2004 Member Since: 8/16/2000	If you plan on wearing and enjoying your diamond don't waste time with photos. Go L@@K L@@K L@@K L@@K L@@K L@@K with your eyes eyes eyes Yes it is time consuming but it is the vaccination for buyers remorse (nobody likes that, buyer or seller) Respectfully Joe
Posted: 1/15/2004 10:21:31 AM

P: 1/15/2004 11:16:43 AM
Hughey J Rough Rock Total Posts: 25 Last Post: 4/29/2004 Member Since: 12/10/2003	GemAdviser file update... Apparently the server won't allow Leonid to upload that type of file. Perhaps in the future. Cheers to all.
Posted: 1/15/2004 11:16:43 AM

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