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P: 5/22/2009 10:20:54 AM
maggie4 Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 6/14/2009 Member Since: 5/20/2009	I am not a diamond expert. Please let me know your thoughts reagrding this .47 carat round diamond. It is being used as a center stone an an anniversary ring. Thanks!! GIA Report Clarity-IF Color-H Measurements: 61.8%/56%- 5.02-5.04x3.11 Cut Grade Excellent Polish-Excellent Symmetry-Excellent
Posted: 5/22/2009 10:20:54 AM

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P: 5/22/2009 10:23:06 AM
jet2ks Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,581 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 2/4/2009	Can you post the crown and pavillion angles off the GIA report, please? Or if you post the GIA report #, we can look it up from that. Any of my opinions are worth exactly what you paid for them. "The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself." Benjamin Franklin
Posted: 5/22/2009 10:23:06 AM

P: 5/22/2009 11:19:01 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,900 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Ditto. Need more data.
Posted: 5/22/2009 11:19:01 AM

P: 5/22/2009 11:20:50 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 5/22/2009 10:20:54 AM Author:maggie4 I am not a diamond expert. Please let me know your thoughts reagrding this .47 carat round diamond. It is being used as a center stone an an anniversary ring. Thanks!! GIA Report Clarity-IF Color-H Measurements: 61.8%/56%- 5.02-5.04x3.11 Cut Grade Excellent Polish-Excellent Symmetry-Excellent Hi Maggie, I just wanted to check if IF clarity is your preference? I just wanted to mention you could lower this without visual sacrifice and maybe get a slightly larger diamond if you preferred - but if IF is indeed your preference then don't worry! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 5/22/2009 11:20:50 AM

P: 5/22/2009 11:42:53 AM
maggie4 Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 6/14/2009 Member Since: 5/20/2009	Depth %: 61.8% Table %: 56% Symmetry: Excellent Polish: Excellent Girdle: Thin to medium Culet: None Fluorescence: None Measurements: 5.04 x 5.02 x 3.11 mm
Posted: 5/22/2009 11:42:53 AM

P: 5/22/2009 11:44:57 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 5/22/2009 11:42:53 AM Author: maggie4 Depth %: 61.8% Table %: 56% Symmetry: Excellent Polish: Excellent Girdle: Thin to medium Culet: None Fluorescence: None Measurements: 5.04 x 5.02 x 3.11 mm Thanks, do you have the crown and pavilion angles please? These should be on the report if it is since early 2006, the angles are critical info in order to be able to evaluate this diamond. Alternatively do you have the GIA report number? Then we could look it up from there. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 5/22/2009 11:44:57 AM

P: 5/22/2009 11:47:51 AM
maggie4 Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 6/14/2009 Member Since: 5/20/2009	GIA# 6102024760
Posted: 5/22/2009 11:47:51 AM

P: 5/22/2009 11:54:18 AM
maggie4 Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 6/14/2009 Member Since: 5/20/2009	Depth: 61.8% Table: 56% Crown Angle: 34.5° Crown Height: 15.0% Pavilion Angle: 41.2° Pavilion Depth: 43.5% Star length: 55% Lower Half: 75% Girdle: Thin to Medium, Faceted (3.5%) Culet: None
Posted: 5/22/2009 11:54:18 AM

P: 5/22/2009 11:56:25 AM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,900 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Slightly steep in the pavilion angle for that crown angle. I would probably not consider it unless you have access to an IdealScope image?
Posted: 5/22/2009 11:56:25 AM

P: 5/22/2009 11:57:46 AM
maggie4 Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 6/14/2009 Member Since: 5/20/2009	What would be a better pavillion angle?
Posted: 5/22/2009 11:57:46 AM

P: 5/22/2009 12:01:06 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,900 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	40.8-41. Just run the numbers through the cutadviser. http://www.pricescope.com/cutadviser.asp, score below 2 is a likely candidate.
Posted: 5/22/2009 12:01:06 PM

P: 5/22/2009 12:03:54 PM
jet2ks Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,581 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 2/4/2009	Date: 5/22/2009 11:57:46 AM Author: maggie4 What would be a better pavillion angle? Lorelei has a "Cliff's Notes" of angles that she posts that is very helpful. I'm sure she will come back and have that for you. In the meantime, pavilion angle of 40.6-41 and crown angle of 34-35 is a good start. Any of my opinions are worth exactly what you paid for them. "The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself." Benjamin Franklin
Posted: 5/22/2009 12:03:54 PM

P: 5/22/2009 12:08:54 PM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Actually the pavilion angle is on the steep side here, the crown angle is fine - it would be better if the pavilion angle was shallower. An Idealscope image is definitely needed in order to judge how this angle combo works, it is possible there will be light leakage which we don't want. Here are the ' cliff's notes' for suitable angle combos that Jet suggested which should help you. ( quoted from expert John Pollard). With that said, here's a "Cliff's Notes" for staying near Tolkowsky/ideal angles with GIA reports (their numbers are rounded): A crown angle of 34.0, 34.5 or 35.0 is usually safe with a 40.8 pavilion angle. If pavilion angle = 40.6 lean toward a 34.5-35.0 crown. If pavilion angle = 41 lean toward a 34.0-34.5 crown. GIA "EX" in cut is great at its heart, but it ranges a bit wider than some people prefer, particularly in deep combinations (pavilion > 41 with crown > 35). Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 5/22/2009 12:08:54 PM

P: 5/22/2009 12:21:10 PM
maggie4 Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 6/14/2009 Member Since: 5/20/2009	How about this diamond instaed? Round Brilliant Measurements: 5.41 - 5.44 x 3.35 mm Carat Weight: 0.59 carat Color Grade: H Clarity Grade: VS1 Cut Grade: Excellent Proportions: Depth: 61.8% Table: 57% Crown Angle: 36.0° Crown Height: 16.0% Pavilion Angle: 40.6° Pavilion Depth: 43.0% Star length: 50% Lower Half: 80% Girdle: Thin, Faceted (3.0%) Culet: None
Posted: 5/22/2009 12:21:10 PM

P: 5/22/2009 12:23:14 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,900 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Numbers looks good.
Posted: 5/22/2009 12:23:14 PM

P: 5/22/2009 12:24:05 PM
jet2ks Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,581 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 2/4/2009	This one has better possibilities than the first, but I would still want to see a IS due to the crown angle. Any of my opinions are worth exactly what you paid for them. "The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself." Benjamin Franklin
Posted: 5/22/2009 12:24:05 PM

P: 5/22/2009 12:29:12 PM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 5/22/2009 12:23:14 PM Author: Stone-cold11 Numbers looks good. Yes indeed, this diamond also falls within fiery ideal cut range ( FIC) which basically means the diamond might show some extra fire or coloured light if the lighting conditions are right. Can you get an Idealscope or ASET image please? Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 5/22/2009 12:29:12 PM

P: 5/22/2009 1:21:33 PM
maggie4 Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 6/14/2009 Member Since: 5/20/2009	Thank you for all of your feedback, one more: Measurements: 5.11 - 5.12 x 3.12 mm Carat Weight: 0.50 carat Color Grade: H Clarity Grade: VVS1 Cut Grade: Excellent Proportions: Depth: 61.0% Table: 60% Crown Angle: 33.5° Crown Height: 13.5% Pavilion Angle: 41.4° Pavilion Depth: 44.0% Star length: 55% Lower Half: 75% Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick (4.0%) Culet: None Finish: Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Fluorescence: None Clarity Characteristics: Surface Graining, Feather
Posted: 5/22/2009 1:21:33 PM

P: 5/22/2009 1:33:19 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,900 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	Steep pavilion. Definitely no.
Posted: 5/22/2009 1:33:19 PM

P: 5/22/2009 1:34:20 PM
maggie4 Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 6/14/2009 Member Since: 5/20/2009	Based on your advise, I think I may have found a better one see below: Round Brilliant Measurements: 5.19 - 5.22 x 3.17 mm Carat Weight: 0.51 carat Color Grade: H Clarity Grade: VS1 Cut Grade: Excellent Proportions: Depth: 60.9% Table: 56% Crown Angle: 34.5° Crown Height: 15.0% Pavilion Angle: 41.0° Pavilion Depth: 43.5% Star length: 55% Lower Half: 75% Girdle: Thin to Medium, Faceted (2.5%) Culet: None Finish: Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Fluorescence: None Clarity Characteristics: Pinpoint, Crystal
Posted: 5/22/2009 1:34:20 PM

P: 5/22/2009 1:38:58 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,900 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	This looks good from the numbers, but I will prefer see an IS image of that if I am to buy that.
Posted: 5/22/2009 1:38:58 PM

P: 5/22/2009 1:44:22 PM
maggie4 Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 6/14/2009 Member Since: 5/20/2009	does bluenile have Idealscope or ASET images?
Posted: 5/22/2009 1:44:22 PM

P: 5/22/2009 1:47:49 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,900 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	No, BN does not supply those images, sorry about that. Why don't you try jamesallen, their price are usually better than BN and they supply stone images and also IS on request. http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/advanced-diamond-search.asp
Posted: 5/22/2009 1:47:49 PM

P: 5/22/2009 2:24:41 PM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 5/22/2009 1:21:33 PM Author: maggie4 Thank you for all of your feedback, one more: Measurements: 5.11 - 5.12 x 3.12 mm Carat Weight: 0.50 carat Color Grade: H Clarity Grade: VVS1 Cut Grade: Excellent Proportions: Depth: 61.0% Table: 60% Crown Angle: 33.5° Crown Height: 13.5% Pavilion Angle: 41.4° Pavilion Depth: 44.0% Star length: 55% Lower Half: 75% Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick (4.0%) Culet: None Finish: Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Fluorescence: None Clarity Characteristics: Surface Graining, Feather Definite no to this one due to the pavilion angle. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 5/22/2009 2:24:41 PM

P: 5/22/2009 2:25:41 PM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 5/22/2009 1:34:20 PM Author: maggie4 Based on your advise, I think I may have found a better one see below: Round Brilliant Measurements: 5.19 - 5.22 x 3.17 mm Carat Weight: 0.51 carat Color Grade: H Clarity Grade: VS1 Cut Grade: Excellent Proportions: Depth: 60.9% Table: 56% Crown Angle: 34.5° Crown Height: 15.0% Pavilion Angle: 41.0° Pavilion Depth: 43.5% Star length: 55% Lower Half: 75% Girdle: Thin to Medium, Faceted (2.5%) Culet: None Finish: Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Fluorescence: None Clarity Characteristics: Pinpoint, Crystal An Idealscope image would be needed for this one but BN don't supply them as you are aware. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 5/22/2009 2:25:41 PM

P: 5/22/2009 4:11:39 PM
maggie4 Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 6/14/2009 Member Since: 5/20/2009	How about this one? (see the link): http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1239509.asp
Posted: 5/22/2009 4:11:39 PM

P: 5/22/2009 4:13:34 PM
maggie4 Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 6/14/2009 Member Since: 5/20/2009	Or this diamond(this is the one I actually just meant to post): http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1238887.asp
Posted: 5/22/2009 4:13:34 PM

P: 5/22/2009 4:14:01 PM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 5/22/2009 4:11:39 PM Author: maggie4 How about this one? (see the link): http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1239509.asp It might be fine but the report with the details we need hasn't been uploaded yet, also you would need to check the very thin part of the girdle wasn't a potential durability issue by asking James Allen's gemologist to check it out if when you get the report if the diamond is worth further investigation. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 5/22/2009 4:14:01 PM

P: 5/22/2009 4:15:35 PM
maggie4 Rough Rock Total Posts: 23 Last Post: 6/14/2009 Member Since: 5/20/2009	Would this one be better? http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1238887.asp
Posted: 5/22/2009 4:15:35 PM

P: 5/22/2009 4:20:01 PM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,228 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 5/22/2009 4:15:35 PM Author: maggie4 Would this one be better? http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1238887.asp This one looks promising in the photo but they haven't loaded the report on this one either so you would need to contact them for the angles and so on. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 5/22/2009 4:20:01 PM

P: 5/22/2009 4:22:28 PM
jet2ks Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,581 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 2/4/2009	Would you be open to sharing the specs you want in a diamond (size, color, clarity) and a budget and letting some of the people here see what they can come up with that would work for you? Any of my opinions are worth exactly what you paid for them. "The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself." Benjamin Franklin
Posted: 5/22/2009 4:22:28 PM

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