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Hubby has a rude friends...am I in the wrong? |
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| P: 4/30/2009 7:22:28 PM | |
redrose229 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,337 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 1/23/2008 |
 So...going off Izzy's thread...I have an issue with my hubbys old friends...at least one couple in particular. Sorry if this gets a little long, but I feel the background helps understand this.My husband grew up in a small town (so small...that even after ppl are ALL GROWN UP WITH KIDS...they still do drugs and drink like they are 18-21...and they are almost 30). My husband was really close and even roommates with his friend Greg. Greg and him were CRAZY together...like the wild days crazy. Well greg meets a girl named missy, "settles down" (I say settles, but really they just party like crazy together). So they party like crazy together, until my hubby decides its time to grow up and go to college. So he moves away, spends 5 years working hard getting an engineering degree while his buddy stays in the same small town w/everyone else who didnt leave, partying it up like nothings changed. So Greg and my hubby lose contact...but know that we live in Houston, etc. a random drunk phonecall every-now and then. Fast forward to last winter (not this past, one before that). Greg, his fiancee, and a bunch of them decide they are taking cruise (all couple friends) and it ports out of Galvenston...about an hr south of us. They'd like us to drive down and see them. My husband (fiancee at the time) is super excited and gets right on it. Me...thinking its kinda weird that they didnt invite us to go on the cruise too (knowing we'd like to and that we were a serious couple) brushes it off bc I can see how thrilled brad is to see an old buddy. So we drive down there...get a hotel room...and we all have a good time. The next day they are getting ready to leave, so we say goodbye. I realize afterwards I left my leather jacket there, but the good news is that Greg and missy picked it up, so its safe. They say they'll drop it off on the way back up to Iowa. They drive like 20 minutes by our house to get home. Well...the end of the cruise comes...and they call us saying they dont want to stop and want to hit the drive hard. Brad is really sad because he REALLY wanted them to see the house. I mention my jacket...they say they'll mail it. THEN Greg asks brad to be the CO-BESTMAN in his wedding coming up. Brad says yes. So...we make plans to DRIVE UP THERE, GET A HOTEL, RENT THE TUX, TAKE TIME OFF WORK, and everything else. Cool. Whatever, thats fine. So we get up there 2 days before the wedding, the day of the rehearsal dinner. We get to the rehearsal...and I dont know anyone. My (then fiancee) sees how uncomfortable I am...and gets me a drink. Thoughout the night Missy never talks to me, nor do any of the 50 ppl at the dinner. So we keep on drinking, etc etc. I'm having a pretty good time (until the step dad of missy starts hitting on me...thats just weird...he buys all my drinks, even though I didnt want him to) anyways...its getting late and missy and the BM are setting up the decorations. They dont want me to help, and so im ready to leave....WRONG! The girls says its time for Brad and the *boys* to go out to their old bar and I'm going to be the mean woman if I go with...or dont let him go. I just wanted to go with, because by this time, we've both had WAY TO MUCH and we're like eachothers crutch so we dont have to drink anymore. Well...Missy guilts me into letting him go alone with *they never see him anymore...let him have fun...etc* So...I proceed to get so F**ed up that I'm crawling on my hands and knees sicker than s**...great! Its my fault I know...but still...I wouldnt have continued drinking if i had gone with my FI. Meanwhile, I'm getting sick...the guys are at the bar...most of the smoking you know what and snorting you know what as well...Brad doesnt want to be there, but he didnt drive. Great...so he continues to drink as well. Finally, after who knows how long...we both manage to get back to their house and pass out. We both threw up all night...and we sicker than we've ever been. It was horrible So the next day, still sicker than crap and throwing up, we get his tux and get him to take pics, etc. Well, most of the wedding party DIDNT GO TO BED. Eh...I'm still getting sick 24 hrs after the fact (I had a 4 day hangover) and the wedding is now over (which btw...she sat me in the BACK CORNER WITHOUT ANYONE I KNEW!) and Brad and I tell them because we're sick, we're not going to drink or stay for the dance...we have to leave at like 2am to head back to TX because I have class on monday (which I still was hungover for btw) So...we left early, still sick, and left them a card w/ their gift $$ in it. Months later...no thank you card. No phone call to see if we made it safe. No bestman gift...NOTHING. They know were getting married in May...brad calls for their address...no return call. Cool...I didnt want them there anyways. Now...Brads on FB and another one of him and Gregs roommates says that Greg asked him if he'd gotten an invataion to our wedding. Great...now we have to sent out 2 more invatations! I tell my hubby I dont want to invite greg and missy at all. we traveled and did all that stuff for them, to not even get a thank you card...and they didnt even send me my jacket back. he doesnt seem like a good friend. Brad wants to send them a card because he doesnt think they'll actually come. We ended up sending them a card...dont know if they are coming yet...but I told Brad that I dont think they are good friends. We didnt even get a thankyou card, and we spent hundereds of $$ getting up there (gas at 4.00 a gallon), travel fees, etc. and they didnt even check to see if we made it home or send a card! WTF? Am I in the wrong for not liking these people? I mean GROW UP! If they have 23,000 to spend on a wedding in the middle of po-dunk iowa (I'm from iowa, no offense inteneded) then they have the freaking 42cents to send a thank you note, or even a phone call to see if we made it safe (even 2 weeks later!) Sorry this is so long..I get mad everytime I think about these people! What kind of friends do this!?!?!?
Stephanie |
| Posted: 4/30/2009 7:22:28 PM | |
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| P: 4/30/2009 7:45:44 PM | |
marchswallowbird Ideal Rock Total Posts: 849 Last Post: 9/28/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2008 |
First of all, these "friends" did not make either of you keep drinking at that wedding, or do anything that you didn't choose to do on your own. So you cannot blame them for how sick you were. You caved in to Missy's guilt trip, that you would be the "mean one" if you didn't "let" your FI go out with his friends. And you could have just gone back to your hotel room by yourself, or stayed with those girls and not had any more to drink. Your choices were your choices. As for being "wrong" to not like them, you're never wrong for feeling the way you do. You are under no obligation whatsoever to invite them to your wedding. You do not "have" to send out two more invitations. It makes no difference AT ALL that they invited you guys to their wedding. Again, it is YOUR CHOICE. If you do invite them, be prepared for them to come. Do not invite someone you don't like and gamble that they won't show up.
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| Posted: 4/30/2009 7:45:44 PM | |
| P: 4/30/2009 7:47:17 PM | |
Haven Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,035 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 2/16/2007 |
Am I in the wrong for not liking these people? How is it ever wrong to like or dislike people? I don't think you need a reason to dislike people, so to answer your question: No, you are not in the wrong for not liking these people. I'm a little confused about whether you are already married or not because you call your partner your husband our hubby throughout your post, yet you say that you are not yet sure if these "rude" people are coming to your wedding in May. Regardless, if it's going to happen this May or happened last May, you sent them an invitation to your wedding already so you cannot take that back, whether or not they are real friends. It sounds like you are also asking for opinions about whether they really are rude or not. I suppose not calling to see if you're okay is a bit rude, but to be honest, if *you* came to *our* wedding rehearsal and wedding and made yourselves so sick with partying that you were ill for four days, I would think *you* were the rude ones for behaving so badly, and that *you* owed *us* and apology. It sounds like this couple was partaking as well, so I can't even begin to try and speculate about what they were thinking, as we seem to have very different standards for what is and is not acceptable behavior. ********************************************************** |
| Posted: 4/30/2009 7:47:17 PM | |
| P: 4/30/2009 8:55:32 PM | |
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redrose229 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,337 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 1/23/2008 |
You guys are right...we did choose to drink to much, because they kept drinking, we both *tired* to keep up. It was very foolish on our parts, and that is why we were sick. I guess the *rude* question comes in is that they didn't send us a thank you card, nor did they get him a gift for being in the wedding (Missy told me she bought the entire bridal party something, although I dont recall what). They didnt call DH back with an address to send an invite when he asked them months ago for it. Before contacting us to hang out in galvenston with them, he hadnt heard from them in over a year. I guess I'm just upset because it seems like we went out of our way for them and we didnt even get a thank you card for anything. As far as the partying goes, they always are doing things like that, and an there was NO WAT we could have driven back to the hotel because it was far away from the site and neither of us were going to drive. We both should have quit drinking, but felt obligated to because they wanted us to keep partying with them. But again, we were foolish and kept on drinking. The reason I dont think she should be upset at us (if she was at all) is because at least WE went to bed...more than half the bridal party stayed up coked out all night. As far as my hubby, we got married in Nov. and our formal ceremony is in May, sorry I should have clarified that before. Stephanie |
| Posted: 4/30/2009 8:55:32 PM | |
| P: 4/30/2009 8:58:41 PM | |
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Haven Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,035 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 2/16/2007 |
Date: 4/30/2009 8:55:32 PM Author: redrose229 You guys are right...we did choose to drink to much, because they kept drinking, we both *tired* to keep up. It was very foolish on our parts, and that is why we were sick. I guess the *rude* question comes in is that they didn't send us a thank you card, nor did they get him a gift for being in the wedding (Missy told me she bought the entire bridal party something, although I dont recall what). They didnt call DH back with an address to send an invite when he asked them months ago for it. Before contacting us to hang out in galvenston with them, he hadnt heard from them in over a year. I guess I'm just upset because it seems like we went out of our way for them and we didnt even get a thank you card for anything. As far as the partying goes, they always are doing things like that, and an there was NO WAT we could have driven back to the hotel because it was far away from the site and neither of us were going to drive. We both should have quit drinking, but felt obligated to because they wanted us to keep partying with them. But again, we were foolish and kept on drinking. The reason I dont think she should be upset at us (if she was at all) is because at least WE went to bed...more than half the bridal party stayed up coked out all night. As far as my hubby, we got married in Nov. and our formal ceremony is in May, sorry I should have clarified that before. First, congrats on your marriage! Second, about the bolded part:  It doesn't sound like thank you notes or other niceties are top priority for these people. I would cut my losses now and just bow out of their lives. If they come to your party in May, be gracious, and know that it will be the last time you socialize with them. Good luck! ********************************************************** |
| Posted: 4/30/2009 8:58:41 PM | |
| P: 4/30/2009 9:17:05 PM | |
decodelighted Ideal Rock Total Posts: 8,625 Last Post: 11/16/2009 Member Since: 7/27/2005 |
So these people have been routinely awful for the entire time you've known them ... yet somehow you *also* expect *politeness* from them & are surprised when you don't get it? Doesn't compute. Examine how realistic that expectation really is ... c'mon. And no its not wrong to dislike someone who has excluded you, been rude to you, refused to return your property.
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| Posted: 4/30/2009 9:17:05 PM | |
| P: 4/30/2009 9:28:02 PM | |
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,433 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007 |
Date: 4/30/2009 7:47:17 PM Author: Haven Am I in the wrong for not liking these people? How is it ever wrong to like or dislike people? I don't think you need a reason to dislike people, so to answer your question: No, you are not in the wrong for not liking these people. I'm a little confused about whether you are already married or not because you call your partner your husband our hubby throughout your post, yet you say that you are not yet sure if these 'rude' people are coming to your wedding in May. Regardless, if it's going to happen this May or happened last May, you sent them an invitation to your wedding already so you cannot take that back, whether or not they are real friends. It sounds like you are also asking for opinions about whether they really are rude or not. I suppose not calling to see if you're okay is a bit rude, but to be honest, if *you* came to *our* wedding rehearsal and wedding and made yourselves so sick with partying that you were ill for four days, I would think *you* were the rude ones for behaving so badly, and that *you* owed *us* and apology. It sounds like this couple was partaking as well, so I can't even begin to try and speculate about what they were thinking, as we seem to have very different standards for what is and is not acceptable behavior. As always-well said Haven.
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| Posted: 4/30/2009 9:28:02 PM | |
| P: 4/30/2009 9:41:23 PM | |
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redrose229 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,337 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 1/23/2008 |
Date: 4/30/2009 9:17:05 PM Author: decodelighted So these people have been routinely awful for the entire time you've known them ... yet somehow you *also* expect *politeness* from them & are surprised when you don't get it? Doesn't compute. Examine how realistic that expectation really is ... c'mon. And no its not wrong to dislike someone who has excluded you, been rude to you, refused to return your property. Your right! I didnt even think of it like that...der! I guess I'm not mad at them...just really disappointed. Brad looks at greg as an old friend and was deeply hurt when they didnt even take the time to swing by our house when they were only a few miles away, esp. after we drove over an hour just to visit them (which, btw...they called when they arrived...dont you plan a cruise a few months in advance? A phone call a little earlier than 5pm the same night they arrived would have been nice...) I shouldnt have expected a thank you note or anything from them at all. I guess I thought maybe we would because the wedding seemed like they did everything to a T...and I know she sent them out to other people (well I dont know know, but I'd assume? Its really tacky not to...) The only reason I even brought up the drinking, etc. was to shown you how they stilll are...we shouldnt have gotten smashed, but did because they asked to us (encourged as well) because we told them up front that we wouldnt be drinking at the wedding because we had to drive home super early to get back in time for my summer classes to begin. So...they came up with the idea of getting trashed the night before. Niether of us party anymore...and so I guess we didnt really know a limit (we havent had to think about that for a while) and many times thoughout the night we expressed wanting leave/quit drinking, and got a ton of crap from the bride/groom and bridal party...and even though we KNEW we should stop...we didnt because they wanted to spend more time with Brad, etc. As far as the drugs go...I'm not lying when I say right after everyone congraulated the Bride and Groom, the best man was outside RIGHT WHERE EVERYONE WAS smoking a one hitter...in his tux...right outside the door. I was mortified! I mean, to each their own, go head a smoke...but cant you AT LEAST go to your freaking car!?!?!?!  Again, the only reason I bring these things up is because...I dont understand why she'd be mad at us for getting sick when there were MUCH WORSE things happening that I know she knows about. And that still doesnt excuse the thank you card! I'm trying really hard to let it go, but I know how hurt Brad is...and apart of him wants his old friends there, but another part of him knows that if they are there, well, we probably wont even get a congrats from them...they'll probably just ask where the booze is  Thanks for the congrats though! We did it right before thanksgiving. I didnt have health insurence, and getting married before the end of the year practically paid for our reception...so whats not to love about doing it early?  
Stephanie |
| Posted: 4/30/2009 9:41:23 PM | |
| P: 4/30/2009 10:06:05 PM | |
Travel Goddess Ideal Rock Total Posts: 623 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 7/2/2008 |
Whew, all I can say is "thank goodness you're in Texas now and you don't have to deal with these people." I know the kind of people you're talking about. I'm in Iowa. Born and raised. I don't think I would have even bothered to invite these people. I say, good riddance to bad rubbish. You're definitely not in the wrong to dislike this couple. On a side note, what part of Iowa is this? I'm in Cedar Rapids.
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| Posted: 4/30/2009 10:06:05 PM | |
| P: 4/30/2009 10:13:44 PM | |
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redrose229 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,337 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 1/23/2008 |
Date: 4/30/2009 10:06:05 PM Author: Travel Goddess Whew, all I can say is 'thank goodness you're in Texas now and you don't have to deal with these people.' I know the kind of people you're talking about. I'm in Iowa. Born and raised. I don't think I would have even bothered to invite these people. I say, good riddance to bad rubbish. You're definitely not in the wrong to dislike this couple. On a side note, what part of Iowa is this? I'm in Cedar Rapids. OMG. Well, I'm from crap town Clinton! OMG! And my BIL lives in Cedar falls...and the wedding took place in marshalltown, but they live in Tama. Brad said "we have to invite them because they asked where their invatation was"...we didnt plan on sending one until a friend of both DH and Greg asked when we were sending them out because Greg asked if he'd gotten his... 
Stephanie |
| Posted: 4/30/2009 10:13:44 PM | |
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Travel Goddess Ideal Rock Total Posts: 623 Last Post: 11/18/2009 Member Since: 7/2/2008 |
Date: 4/30/2009 10:13:44 PM Author: redrose229 Date: 4/30/2009 10:06:05 PM Author: Travel Goddess Whew, all I can say is 'thank goodness you're in Texas now and you don't have to deal with these people.' I know the kind of people you're talking about. I'm in Iowa. Born and raised. I don't think I would have even bothered to invite these people. I say, good riddance to bad rubbish. You're definitely not in the wrong to dislike this couple. On a side note, what part of Iowa is this? I'm in Cedar Rapids. OMG. Well, I'm from crap town Clinton! OMG! And my BIL lives in Cedar falls...and the wedding took place in marshalltown, but they live in Tama. Brad said 'we have to invite them because they asked where their invatation was'...we didnt plan on sending one until a friend of both DH and Greg asked when we were sending them out because Greg asked if he'd gotten his... I went to the University of Northern Iowa, so I'm quite familiar with Cedar Falls. Small world. I'm originally from Mason City which I think rivals Marshalltown as the armpit of Iowa. Haha. I think we need an Iowa jewelry GTG. It would be you.... and me.... and jewelry! Tee hee. Okay, sorry for threadjacking to talk about Iowa.
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| Posted: 4/30/2009 10:29:47 PM | |
| P: 5/1/2009 1:10:30 PM | |
fleur-de-lis Ideal Rock Total Posts: 920 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 4/25/2007 |
I'm sure this is a weird question, but since it had not been specifically mentioned in your post... but had you given the bride and groom a tangible gift for their wedding (other than spending the hundreds of dollars incurred for you to attend)?
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| Posted: 5/1/2009 1:10:30 PM | |
| P: 5/1/2009 2:21:13 PM | |
Italiahaircolor Ideal Rock Total Posts: 4,335 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 12/17/2007 |
I guess I must be from a different school of thought on this one... No, you don't need to like them. And no, you're not wrong for disliking them. But, they are your husbands friends--and it's his decision on how he wants to treat the relationship. If he wants to include them in your wedding--thats his choice. If he wants to buddy up to them--that's his choice. You don't have to like it, or like them...but how would you feel if your husband were telling you who you could and couldn't be friends with? Your points are very valid...esspecially the drinking/drugging, which I fundamentally hate. Are they the classiest people you know? Certianly not. Are they the type of people you'd seek out individually to hang with? No, no, no. But clearly these guys mean something your husband. You don't have to do back bends for these people...and you don't have go out of your way for them. But for your husbands sake, if he happy--let him be happy. Until they are compromising your marriage...whats the harm with a little FB chatter and the yearly weekend visit? ____________________________ |
| Posted: 5/1/2009 2:21:13 PM | |
| P: 5/1/2009 2:30:47 PM | |
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marchswallowbird Ideal Rock Total Posts: 849 Last Post: 9/28/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2008 |
Just because people assume they are invited to your wedding and (crassly) ask where their invite is, doesn't mean you have to invite them. However, if you don't invite them, be prepared for them to never want anything to do with you again. Doesn't sound like this is a problem for you, but as Italia said, be sure to discuss this with your husband before making the decision. Much as you don't like them, he may want to keep them as "friends." For me, the issue would be the drugs. They are illegal, and if people are doing illegal drugs at your wedding, you may have some sort of liability issue with your venue, if there are complaints (or worse, if somebody calls the cops).
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| Posted: 5/1/2009 2:30:47 PM | |
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redrose229 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,337 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 1/23/2008 |
Date: 5/1/2009 1:10:30 PM Author: fleur-de-lis I'm sure this is a weird question, but since it had not been specifically mentioned in your post... but had you given the bride and groom a tangible gift for their wedding (other than spending the hundreds of dollars incurred for you to attend)? We gave them quite a large sum of cash in a very nice card because we didnt want to travel with a gift, and they said they would prefer money. Does that count as a "tangible gift" or did I actually have to pick something out? Stephanie |
| Posted: 5/1/2009 4:21:37 PM | |
| P: 5/1/2009 4:25:25 PM | |
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redrose229 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,337 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 1/23/2008 |
Date: 5/1/2009 2:21:13 PM Author: Italiahaircolor I guess I must be from a different school of thought on this one... No, you don't need to like them. And no, you're not wrong for disliking them. But, they are your husbands friends--and it's his decision on how he wants to treat the relationship. If he wants to include them in your wedding--thats his choice. If he wants to buddy up to them--that's his choice. You don't have to like it, or like them...but how would you feel if your husband were telling you who you could and couldn't be friends with? Your points are very valid...esspecially the drinking/drugging, which I fundamentally hate. Are they the classiest people you know? Certianly not. Are they the type of people you'd seek out individually to hang with? No, no, no. But clearly these guys mean something your husband. You don't have to do back bends for these people...and you don't have go out of your way for them. But for your husbands sake, if he happy--let him be happy. Until they are compromising your marriage...whats the harm with a little FB chatter and the yearly weekend visit? I agree with you, and thats really what I did. My hubsand knows they arent the classiest people, but if/when we go though that area, he'd like to at least drop in and say hi and have them be friendly back. We ended up inviting them, but another couple as well, so that way if they come, they have someone else to hang out with. Next question though...if Greg excepts my DH to enterain him all night with drinking at our wedding...(DH says hes not getting smashed because he wants to remember the night, etc) what do I do? I dont want to be rude to him, but it wouldnt surprise me if Greg tried to get DH to leave the reception and go bar hopping all night...DH wont do it...but that still will be akaward...
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| Posted: 5/1/2009 4:25:25 PM | |
| P: 5/1/2009 4:41:20 PM | |
jsm Ideal Rock Total Posts: 529 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 3/17/2008 |
I live in Iowa now, and my husband is from a teeny town in Nebraska. I know *precisely* the type of people you are talking about! You know, the type to never leave their hometown (more specifically their parent's house...) and leave their illegitimate children with their grandparents while getting high till 4am? This was an issue with me early on in my relationship, but honestly, the more my husband grows the less and less he can identify (and therefore spend time with) these people. A few will always be his friends, because they grew up together, but in many cases the invitations for wild parties and illicit drugs comes along, and my husband just says no. He's now the guy who "used to be cool", but he doesn't mind in the least. I'm sure your husband will get to that point too! I know its disappointing, because he and Greg were such good friends for so long, but best friends would keep in touch. Good luck. And, if there were to be an Iowa GTG, I'd be happy to join in (at least while I still live here!). **** April 3, 2009 *** |
| Posted: 5/1/2009 4:41:20 PM | |
| P: 5/1/2009 5:51:33 PM | |
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redrose229 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,337 Last Post: 10/29/2009 Member Since: 1/23/2008 |
Date: 5/1/2009 4:41:20 PM Author: jsm I live in Iowa now, and my husband is from a teeny town in Nebraska. I know *precisely* the type of people you are talking about! You know, the type to never leave their hometown (more specifically their parent's house...) and leave their illegitimate children with their grandparents while getting high till 4am? This was an issue with me early on in my relationship, but honestly, the more my husband grows the less and less he can identify (and therefore spend time with) these people. A few will always be his friends, because they grew up together, but in many cases the invitations for wild parties and illicit drugs comes along, and my husband just says no. He's now the guy who 'used to be cool', but he doesn't mind in the least. I'm sure your husband will get to that point too! I know its disappointing, because he and Greg were such good friends for so long, but best friends would keep in touch. Good luck. And, if there were to be an Iowa GTG, I'd be happy to join in (at least while I still live here!). I'm so glad you know what I'm talking about! My hubby is doing the SAME thing now! When we went up there for the wedding, I thought we were going to die! But they werent phased a bit! In fact, it seems like they could party even longer and the only reason they slowed down is because we were dying! LOL! I learned my lesson the hard way on that one! *note to self...dont try and keep up with small town partying old friends because it results in pain for a long peroid of time and lots of sickness, lol* And Greg does have a son w/his wife...but when i was at the wedding, one of the uncles made a comment about how they always have him, and I have NEVER seen the parents with thier kid...its really sad  I agree that if he was a "good" friend, he would make an honest effort to stay in touch. He does have one friend whos back and fourth from Iraq and hes a really good guy...married with like 4 or 5 kids, the whole family is great! They grew out of that phase! I like those friends! 
Stephanie |
| Posted: 5/1/2009 5:51:33 PM | |
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