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P: 4/29/2009 3:52:06 PM
dreamer_dachsie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,538 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 12/16/2007	Okay, I am looking to trade in some small diamonds that I have for a single larger diamond with my local jeweler. My solitaire is warmer in color, so I am looking to get a nice little stone in the colorless range so I can enjoy the icyness. He has found me a .63ct, ideal cut, F color diamond that is in my budget and is a real beauty -- nice arrows, good fire, sparkle wow. The catch -- if that's what you would call it -- is that it is an I1! I looked at this puppy in pot lighting, florescent lighting, in the shade, indirect lighting, and couldn't for the life of me see the inclusions with my naked eye. Using the loupe they are, of course, more obvious -- a foggy looking spot near the edge, and a cluster of white and brown dots under the table. Makes the stone easy to identify But it is totally and completely eye clean, even at 1-2 inches. In his estimation it is more like an SI2 than an I1, but still it is priced accoring to its lab grading. I very much loved the diamond and with my trade-in budget I would need to go down in size or down in color a fair bit to get a higher clarity grade. Now my question for you is whether or not it would bother you to just know those inclusions were there? * Dreamer *
Posted: 4/29/2009 3:52:06 PM

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P: 4/29/2009 3:57:21 PM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,212 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 4/29/2009 3:52:06 PM Author:dreamer_dachsie Okay, I am looking to trade in some small diamonds that I have for a single larger diamond with my local jeweler. My solitaire is warmer in color, so I am looking to get a nice little stone in the colorless range so I can enjoy the icyness. He has found me a .63ct, ideal cut, F color diamond that is in my budget and is a real beauty -- nice arrows, good fire, sparkle wow. The catch -- if that's what you would call it -- is that it is an I1! I looked at this puppy in pot lighting, florescent lighting, in the shade, indirect lighting, and couldn't for the life of me see the inclusions with my naked eye. Using the loupe they are, of course, more obvious -- a foggy looking spot near the edge, and a cluster of white and brown dots under the table. Makes the stone easy to identify But it is totally and completely eye clean, even at 1-2 inches. In his estimation it is more like an SI2 than an I1, but still it is priced accoring to its lab grading. I very much loved the diamond and with my trade-in budget I would need to go down in size or down in color a fair bit to get a higher clarity grade. Now my question for you is whether or not it would bother you to just know those inclusions were there? Not I, but I own 2 I1 clarity diamonds which are pretty much eyeclean, I rather like a little birthmark or 2 in my diamond as long as it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb! D, I would say check the diamond out away from the store lighting if possible as in my experience inclusions can pop out in some lights more than others. Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 4/29/2009 3:57:21 PM

P: 4/29/2009 4:06:32 PM
dreamer_dachsie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,538 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 12/16/2007	Date: 4/29/2009 3:57:21 PM Author: Lorelei Date: 4/29/2009 3:52:06 PM Author:dreamer_dachsie Okay, I am looking to trade in some small diamonds that I have for a single larger diamond with my local jeweler. My solitaire is warmer in color, so I am looking to get a nice little stone in the colorless range so I can enjoy the icyness. He has found me a .63ct, ideal cut, F color diamond that is in my budget and is a real beauty -- nice arrows, good fire, sparkle wow. The catch -- if that's what you would call it -- is that it is an I1! I looked at this puppy in pot lighting, florescent lighting, in the shade, indirect lighting, and couldn't for the life of me see the inclusions with my naked eye. Using the loupe they are, of course, more obvious -- a foggy looking spot near the edge, and a cluster of white and brown dots under the table. Makes the stone easy to identify But it is totally and completely eye clean, even at 1-2 inches. In his estimation it is more like an SI2 than an I1, but still it is priced accoring to its lab grading. I very much loved the diamond and with my trade-in budget I would need to go down in size or down in color a fair bit to get a higher clarity grade. Now my question for you is whether or not it would bother you to just know those inclusions were there? Not I, but I own 2 I1 clarity diamonds which are pretty much eyeclean, I rather like a little birthmark or 2 in my diamond as long as it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb! D, I would say check the diamond out away from the store lighting if possible as in my experience inclusions can pop out in some lights more than others. This was my main worry, but your idea is a good one. I can actually take it home and look it over for a while to see if I want to keep it... I hadn't really thought of that. Now I would just need to make sure it doesn't get lost during the PS photoshoot. * Dreamer *
Posted: 4/29/2009 4:06:32 PM

P: 4/29/2009 4:18:46 PM
fabienne Rough Rock Total Posts: 79 Last Post: 6/14/2009 Member Since: 3/15/2009	I think its a great idea to take it home and be certain. Will you be taking it home loose or mounted? It would be fantastic if you can't see them because you can get your icy look for a lower price. I like the idea of using the inclusions as identifying marks. I hope it all works out for you!
Posted: 4/29/2009 4:18:46 PM

P: 4/29/2009 4:20:00 PM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,212 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 4/29/2009 4:06:32 PM Author: dreamer_dachsie Date: 4/29/2009 3:57:21 PM Author: Lorelei Date: 4/29/2009 3:52:06 PM Author:dreamer_dachsie Okay, I am looking to trade in some small diamonds that I have for a single larger diamond with my local jeweler. My solitaire is warmer in color, so I am looking to get a nice little stone in the colorless range so I can enjoy the icyness. He has found me a .63ct, ideal cut, F color diamond that is in my budget and is a real beauty -- nice arrows, good fire, sparkle wow. The catch -- if that's what you would call it -- is that it is an I1! I looked at this puppy in pot lighting, florescent lighting, in the shade, indirect lighting, and couldn't for the life of me see the inclusions with my naked eye. Using the loupe they are, of course, more obvious -- a foggy looking spot near the edge, and a cluster of white and brown dots under the table. Makes the stone easy to identify But it is totally and completely eye clean, even at 1-2 inches. In his estimation it is more like an SI2 than an I1, but still it is priced accoring to its lab grading. I very much loved the diamond and with my trade-in budget I would need to go down in size or down in color a fair bit to get a higher clarity grade. Now my question for you is whether or not it would bother you to just know those inclusions were there? Not I, but I own 2 I1 clarity diamonds which are pretty much eyeclean, I rather like a little birthmark or 2 in my diamond as long as it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb! D, I would say check the diamond out away from the store lighting if possible as in my experience inclusions can pop out in some lights more than others. This was my main worry, but your idea is a good one. I can actually take it home and look it over for a while to see if I want to keep it... I hadn't really thought of that. Now I would just need to make sure it doesn't get lost during the PS photoshoot. Kewl! That way you can give it a good test run and see if this is the ICY WHITE DIAMOND for you! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 4/29/2009 4:20:00 PM

P: 4/29/2009 4:20:52 PM
Todd Gray Ideal Rock Total Posts: 591 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 1/20/2009	Date: 4/29/2009 3:52:06 PM Author:dreamer_dachsie Now my question for you is whether or not it would bother you to just know those inclusions were there? It would not bother me, but then again I believe in the concept of "perfection within imperfection" and can appreciate the beauty that inclusions can bring to a natural diamond. There are a few threads to be found here on PS that focus on the unique nature of inclusions, especially some diamond crystals. As Lorelei mentioned, I would take the diamond for a walk in a variety of lighting scenarios to determine how it performs and looks in different lighting - many expert diamond sales people will suggest this because they realize that store lights are designed to make diamonds sparkle and that we don't live under store lighting! Customer satisfaction depends on their being happy with how the diamond performs in normal lighting... __________________________ Todd Gray Nice Ice Ideal Cut Diamonds GemTrace Laser Inscribed Diamond Registry
Posted: 4/29/2009 4:20:52 PM

P: 4/29/2009 4:25:58 PM
dreamer_dachsie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,538 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 12/16/2007	Date: 4/29/2009 4:18:46 PM Author: fabienne I think its a great idea to take it home and be certain. Will you be taking it home loose or mounted? It would be fantastic if you can't see them because you can get your icy look for a lower price. I like the idea of using the inclusions as identifying marks. I hope it all works out for you! If I do the test run I will take it home loose. I likely won't set it in anything but a temporary setting for a while anyways... I am indecisive and don't want to make a mistake... again! LOL! * Dreamer *
Posted: 4/29/2009 4:25:58 PM

P: 4/29/2009 4:26:59 PM
dreamer_dachsie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,538 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 12/16/2007	Date: 4/29/2009 4:20:52 PM Author: Todd Gray Date: 4/29/2009 3:52:06 PM Author:dreamer_dachsie Now my question for you is whether or not it would bother you to just know those inclusions were there? It would not bother me, but then again I believe in the concept of 'perfection within imperfection' and can appreciate the beauty that inclusions can bring to a natural diamond. There are a few threads to be found here on PS that focus on the unique nature of inclusions, especially some diamond crystals. As Lorelei mentioned, I would take the diamond for a walk in a variety of lighting scenarios to determine how it performs and looks in different lighting - many expert diamond sales people will suggest this because they realize that store lights are designed to make diamonds sparkle and that we don't live under store lighting! Customer satisfaction depends on their being happy with how the diamond performs in normal lighting... I agree with this, but at the same time would not want to see the inclusions when I look down on my hand. So maybe I am not as accepting of imperfection as I could be! * Dreamer *
Posted: 4/29/2009 4:26:59 PM

P: 4/29/2009 5:02:37 PM
Allison D. Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,722 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 2/1/2008	It wouldn't bother me - if I can't physically see it, I don't worry about 'mentally' seeing it. I have a fairly good sized OEC that has a table inclusion that I can readily see in pictures and louped, but I can't see it in normal viewing conditions. As far as I'm concerned, it's like a birthmark to help me know my stone. Allison Dewey...."Alj" Consumer Relations, Whiteflash **the artist formerly known as aljdewey**
Posted: 4/29/2009 5:02:37 PM

P: 4/29/2009 5:38:41 PM
Maisie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,766 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/30/2006	As long as the inclusions don't affect the sparkle of a diamond they wouldn't bother me.
Posted: 4/29/2009 5:38:41 PM

P: 4/29/2009 5:41:40 PM
QueenMum Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,971 Last Post: 10/28/2009 Member Since: 2/13/2003	If you like the diamond for yourself and it is clean to your eyes under different lighting conditions, don't hesitate and buy it. But I won't dare to buy I1 quality as a present for somebody else. Stephan
Posted: 4/29/2009 5:41:40 PM

P: 4/29/2009 5:51:25 PM
D&T Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,441 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 10/27/2008	Date: 4/29/2009 4:25:58 PM Author: dreamer_dachsie Date: 4/29/2009 4:18:46 PM Author: fabienne I think its a great idea to take it home and be certain. Will you be taking it home loose or mounted? It would be fantastic if you can't see them because you can get your icy look for a lower price. I like the idea of using the inclusions as identifying marks. I hope it all works out for you! If I do the test run I will take it home loose. I likely won't set it in anything but a temporary setting for a while anyways... I am indecisive and don't want to make a mistake... again! LOL! I hear yah... lol.. Get it!
Posted: 4/29/2009 5:51:25 PM

P: 4/29/2009 6:22:56 PM
dreamer_dachsie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,538 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 12/16/2007	Date: 4/29/2009 5:41:40 PM Author: QueenMum If you like the diamond for yourself and it is clean to your eyes under different lighting conditions, don't hesitate and buy it. But I won't dare to buy I1 quality as a present for somebody else. Is that because you would worry that for them it wouldn't be mind clean? Or that they would think you were cheap? It is for me, though. * Dreamer *
Posted: 4/29/2009 6:22:56 PM

P: 4/29/2009 6:31:18 PM
Stone-cold11 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,867 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 9/9/2008	It won't bother me too.
Posted: 4/29/2009 6:31:18 PM

P: 4/29/2009 6:52:15 PM
ficklefaye Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,180 Last Post: 9/30/2009 Member Since: 10/12/2008	it wouldn't bother me, but the mind can be pretty tough to convince
Posted: 4/29/2009 6:52:15 PM

P: 4/29/2009 7:04:38 PM
Moh 10 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,004 Last Post: 8/18/2009 Member Since: 10/25/2008	Yes it would bother me. I like VVS clarity (and DEF color). For my dollar the least-important C is size. But it doesn't matter what I like (or what anyone else likes). This is YOUR diamond. Why ask other people what YOU will be comfortable with? Look to yourself. Check in with yourself. Imagine wearing it. Is your main standard eye-clean to others? Eye-clean to yourself? Mind clean? It sounds like you didn't see the inclusions without a loupe so chances are others won't either. Does that satisfy your concerns? Only you can determine your comfort zone.
Posted: 4/29/2009 7:04:38 PM

P: 4/29/2009 10:18:04 PM
dreamer_dachsie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,538 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 12/16/2007	Date: 4/29/2009 7:04:38 PM Author: Moh 10 Yes it would bother me. I like VVS clarity (and DEF color). For my dollar the least-important C is size. But it doesn't matter what I like (or what anyone else likes). This is YOUR diamond. Why ask other people what YOU will be comfortable with? Look to yourself. Check in with yourself. Imagine wearing it. Is your main standard eye-clean to others? Eye-clean to yourself? Mind clean? It sounds like you didn't see the inclusions without a loupe so chances are others won't either. Does that satisfy your concerns? Only you can determine your comfort zone. I'm not sure why someone would ask that question, I certainly didn't * Dreamer *
Posted: 4/29/2009 10:18:04 PM

P: 4/30/2009 7:31:20 PM
dreamer_dachsie Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,538 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 12/16/2007	Just a little update in case anyone is interested.. I brought the diamond home and it is gorgeous! I did a photoshoot this evening, so I'll be posting photos as soon as my son is in bed! Woop woop! * Dreamer *
Posted: 4/30/2009 7:31:20 PM

P: 4/30/2009 9:18:42 PM
patrick835 Rough Rock Total Posts: 34 Last Post: 5/10/2009 Member Since: 4/29/2009	can't wait to see it ;) can you also reveal the secret price
Posted: 4/30/2009 9:18:42 PM

P: 4/30/2009 9:53:25 PM
D&T Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,441 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 10/27/2008	yeah can't wait for the pictures.... what will you do with this stone? ring? pendant?
Posted: 4/30/2009 9:53:25 PM

P: 4/30/2009 9:57:43 PM
Moh 10 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,004 Last Post: 8/18/2009 Member Since: 10/25/2008	You asked, "Now my question for you is whether or not it would bother you to just know those inclusions were there?" I think this is not too different from asking others what you will be comfortable with. By asking this question I'd guess if others are bothered then you feel that you also should be bothered. I offer that people vary. Some are bothered by something when others are not. Everyone is different, yet everyone is right when it comes to these kind of things. Congratulations on your purchase. We look forward to pics.
Posted: 4/30/2009 9:57:43 PM

P: 5/1/2009 6:04:23 AM
Lorelei Ideal Rock Total Posts: 34,212 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 4/30/2005	Date: 4/30/2009 7:31:20 PM Author: dreamer_dachsie Just a little update in case anyone is interested.. I brought the diamond home and it is gorgeous! I did a photoshoot this evening, so I'll be posting photos as soon as my son is in bed! Woop woop! Congrats!!! Nothing is more sacred as the bond between horse and rider...no other creature can ever become so emotionally close to a human as a horse. When a horse dies, the memory lives on because an enormous part of his owner's heart, soul, very existence dies also...but that can never be laid to rest, it is not meant to be... - Stephanie M Thorn
Posted: 5/1/2009 6:04:23 AM

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