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i want an asscher sapphires - but from who?

P: 4/29/2009 8:58:29 AM
whitby_2773 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,839 Last Post: 8/18/2009 Member Since: 1/5/2009	i'm looking to make a new ring - an asscher sapphire with pear diamonds on each side. but it's quickly becoming apparent to me that i will need a top notch cut t the sapphire so that the stone doesn't appear too darks and lose it's steps in different lighting situations. firstly, ANY info or advice anyone can give me about asscher cut sapphires would be very appreciated. and secondly, ANY suggestions anyone can make on where i would go to get such a stone would be even more appreciated! i'm looking at jeff white at the moment, as his cuts just really seem to resonate with what i love so much. i'm looking for something in the 2.5 - 3 ct range. ideally, i want something as close to a kashmir blue as possible. but then again...don't we all?! thanks folks! i'm kinda 'in your hands' on this one! whitby (AKA 'cake lady being attacked by a dog')
Posted: 4/29/2009 8:58:29 AM

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P: 4/29/2009 9:30:59 AM
MakingTheGrade Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,466 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 3/2/2009	Jeff White does seem to be popular here for his asscher sapphires :) Here's Neatfreak's sapphire from him: I think Peter Torraca is also a popular one to go to for this cut http://torraca.net/gems/
Posted: 4/29/2009 9:30:59 AM

P: 4/29/2009 11:11:50 AM
stepcutgirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 525 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 3/11/2009	I'm wanting to know the same thing. I'm now debating an asscher or cushion sapphire legacy ring but I'm clueless as to where to shop for colored stones.
Posted: 4/29/2009 11:11:50 AM

P: 4/29/2009 11:27:23 AM
Catmom Ideal Rock Total Posts: 5,756 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 4/6/2005	Date: 4/29/2009 9:30:59 AM Author: MakingTheGrade Jeff White does seem to be popular here for his asscher sapphires :) Here's Neatfreak's sapphire from him: I think Peter Torraca is also a popular one to go to for this cut http://torraca.net/gems/ Ditto. I love Neatfreak's sapphire! I can't wait to see what you get whitby. Michelle *****************************So many sparklies.....So little time!
Posted: 4/29/2009 11:27:23 AM

P: 4/29/2009 1:02:45 PM
LostSapphire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,060 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 11/4/2007	HiYa Whitby! Welcome here! LS
Posted: 4/29/2009 1:02:45 PM

P: 4/29/2009 1:06:48 PM
westjenn Cut Rock Total Posts: 371 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2006	Date: 4/29/2009 8:58:29 AM Author:whitby_2773 i'm looking to make a new ring - an asscher sapphire with pear diamonds on each side. but it's quickly becoming apparent to me that i will need a top notch cut t the sapphire so that the stone doesn't appear too darks and lose it's steps in different lighting situations. firstly, ANY info or advice anyone can give me about asscher cut sapphires would be very appreciated. and secondly, ANY suggestions anyone can make on where i would go to get such a stone would be even more appreciated! i'm looking at jeff white at the moment, as his cuts just really seem to resonate with what i love so much. i'm looking for something in the 2.5 - 3 ct range. ideally, i want something as close to a kashmir blue as possible. but then again...don't we all?! thanks folks! i'm kinda 'in your hands' on this one! Hi Whitby. I'm on Jeff White's waiting list for an asscher sapphire--- for a smaller stone 1-1.5 carats max. His stones are truly beautiful and that's why I was willing to wait to find the perfect sapphire. I hope you will post your stone when you find the perfect one! I wanted to add that I have a Catherine Iskiw asscher sapphire ring-- its somewhere in the SMTR thread.
Posted: 4/29/2009 1:06:48 PM

P: 4/29/2009 2:18:52 PM
whitby_2773 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,839 Last Post: 8/18/2009 Member Since: 1/5/2009	Hi westjenn :) Your post was really helpful. I gather you contacted Jeff White, told him what you wanted, and he takes it from there? Did you find him helpful? Easy to work with? Knowledgeable? How did you deal with the color issue re sapphires and step cuts? Because it really seems that there ARE issues. Did Jeff address any of those with you? I love neatfreaks sapphire. Im going to post in SMTR and ask her to show me a close up if she has one; I want to see how the color of the sapphire copes with the cut. From what I can see, it looks gorgeous. stepcutgirl, what do you mean by a legacy ring? Can you show me an example? This might be a journey you and I end up taking together and hi Catmom and Losty. thank you for the welcome! This is a new foray for me; Im a bit out of my depth, but paddling hard! whitby (AKA 'cake lady being attacked by a dog')
Posted: 4/29/2009 2:18:52 PM

P: 4/29/2009 2:58:42 PM
stepcutgirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 525 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 3/11/2009	Like this...but a more delicate, smaller halo and band.
Posted: 4/29/2009 2:58:42 PM

P: 4/29/2009 7:18:42 PM
LostSapphire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,060 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 11/4/2007	Date: 4/29/2009 2:18:52 PM Author: whitby_2773 Hi westjenn :) Your post was really helpful. I gather you contacted Jeff White, told him what you wanted, and he takes it from there? Did you find him helpful? Easy to work with? Knowledgeable? How did you deal with the color issue re sapphires and step cuts? Because it really seems that there ARE issues. Did Jeff address any of those with you? I love neatfreaks sapphire. Im going to post in SMTR and ask her to show me a close up if she has one; I want to see how the color of the sapphire copes with the cut. From what I can see, it looks gorgeous. stepcutgirl, what do you mean by a legacy ring? Can you show me an example? This might be a journey you and I end up taking together and hi Catmom and Losty. thank you for the welcome! This is a new foray for me; Im a bit out of my depth, but paddling hard! Whitby: Jeff White is amazing to work with. Totally knows his stuff. As far as colour, I e-mailed him this website link: http://crossjewelers.com/sapphire/HowToBuyAsapphire.htm Then I told him where on the spectrum I wanted us to concentrate. (somewhere between "camelot" and "royal blue"). I trusted his eye completely on the colour. When he found something, he took pics of the stone on his hand indoors and outside so I had an idea. Then I took the 'leap of faith' and bought it. Here is diamondSeeker's cushion. He cut this as well, I believe. (DS I hope you don't mind my posting this!) LS I'm sure if you discuss your asscher and step cut questions with him, you will find him amazingly helpful, knowledgeable and easy to get along with.
Posted: 4/29/2009 7:18:42 PM

P: 4/29/2009 7:32:14 PM
westjenn Cut Rock Total Posts: 371 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2006	Date: 4/29/2009 2:18:52 PM Author: whitby_2773 Hi westjenn :) Your post was really helpful. I gather you contacted Jeff White, told him what you wanted, and he takes it from there? Did you find him helpful? Easy to work with? Knowledgeable? How did you deal with the color issue re sapphires and step cuts? Because it really seems that there ARE issues. Did Jeff address any of those with you? I love neatfreak’s sapphire. I’m going to post in SMTR and ask her to show me a close up if she has one; I want to see how the color of the sapphire copes with the cut. From what I can see, it looks gorgeous. stepcutgirl, what do you mean by a legacy ring? Can you show me an example? This might be a journey you and I end up taking together… and hi Catmom and Losty. thank you for the welcome! This is a new foray for me; I’m a bit out of my depth, but paddling hard! Jeff has been great to work with- he's always prompt answering emails and very informative when it comes to sapphires. I wish that the stone I was looking for was easier to come by though! I'm remaining patient but I might have to rethink the shape and go with a more square cushion instead.. I agree that Neatfreak's sapphire ring is just gorgeous! Keep us posted with what you find
Posted: 4/29/2009 7:32:14 PM

P: 4/29/2009 7:39:22 PM
VegasAngel Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,449 Last Post: 11/10/2009 Member Since: 10/12/2005	Date: 4/29/2009 11:27:23 AM Author: Catmom Date: 4/29/2009 9:30:59 AM Author: MakingTheGrade Jeff White does seem to be popular here for his asscher sapphires :) Here's Neatfreak's sapphire from him: I think Peter Torraca is also a popular one to go to for this cut http://torraca.net/gems/ Ditto. I love Neatfreak's sapphire! I can't wait to see what you get whitby. That is really pretty. "Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly." GK Chesterton
Posted: 4/29/2009 7:39:22 PM

P: 4/29/2009 9:14:28 PM
icekid Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,555 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 11/17/2004	whitby- Neatfreak's sapphire is gorgeous (the color is very similar to time, I believe). However, I don't know that it would make much sense to me to go with a darker tone and have it cut as an asscher. I really think asscher color stones are best suited to lighter tones. I doubt they'll have much impact in a more saturated stone. Plus, the kashmir blue rough you're talking about is very expensive. an asscher is cut with a lot of depth, making it show smaller than its weight. I'd want the biggest face up I could get (with good cut)! You'll definitely have to have someone custom cut this baby for you. Jeff would probably be my choice, as well, when talking about such an expensive stone. Or Gene! But that is fairly difficult rough for the American guys to get their hands on, it seems.
Posted: 4/29/2009 9:14:28 PM

P: 4/29/2009 9:39:08 PM
whitby_2773 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,839 Last Post: 8/18/2009 Member Since: 1/5/2009	stepcutgirl - that's gorgeous! i can see why you'd want one like it. Losty - i'm so pleased he cut your sapphire, and also diamondseeker's; it just confirms for me that he's the right guy for me. this will make my search MUCH easier. i have zero idea how much this might cost, so i think my next step is to speak to him and see if he can give me some idea of the price range i'm looking at. i love the color you chose and am hoping for something in the same range myself. westjenn, thanks for your feedback. i'm guessing that we're both going to wait a long time for our stones. how long have you been waiting so far? and what color are you looking for? i'll let you all know how i go after i call him; i really have no idea how much this could cost, so this will be a bit of a 'deciding phone call' for me i suspect. whitby (AKA 'cake lady being attacked by a dog')
Posted: 4/29/2009 9:39:08 PM

P: 4/29/2009 9:44:27 PM
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,329 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004	Whitby, A top Kashmir blue sapphire is not going to look pretty in a step cut. I feel that step cuts are more suited to lighter coloured (not lighter toned) stones to be able to highlight the cut while retaining its intensity of colour. The other reason why a Kashmir blue sapphire looks so dreamy is that a cushion cut is able to maximize the richness of colour which a step cut doesn't. I'm sorry to say you can't have your cake and eat it too in this case.
Posted: 4/29/2009 9:44:27 PM

P: 4/29/2009 10:08:56 PM
PrecisionGem Cut Rock Total Posts: 477 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 7/28/2004	That's true Chrono. Asscher cuts work best in lighter material, and also somewhat large stones. The kind of stone you are describing wouldn't be a piece of rough that a US cutter would have, it would have to be a recut of an already cut stone. I don't do recuts, for some reason I just don't find it entertaining. It's much more fun to me to take a piece of rough, and see what it turns into, than something that you already know how it's going to look. Gene www.precisiongem.com
Posted: 4/29/2009 10:08:56 PM

P: 4/29/2009 10:12:49 PM
Harriet Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,800 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2006	Whitby, Chrono is correct, but I'm sure Jeff will guide you in the right direction. He's a wonderful cutter and person. "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." (Souren Melikian)
Posted: 4/29/2009 10:12:49 PM

P: 4/29/2009 10:20:53 PM
violet3 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,790 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 12/18/2007	Date: 4/29/2009 2:58:42 PM Author: stepcutgirl Like this...but a more delicate, smaller halo and band. Oooooh Stepcutgirl, I just posted this in the show me your favorite PSer's ring folder - I LOVE LOVE LOVE this ring! Whitby, i love the things i've seen from Jeff White (ala neatfreak and LS - blueberry)! I agree you have to go light with that asscher cut, or else you might as well get something else (although yours is BEAUTIFUL stepcutgirl). Do you like the lighter blue colors of the sapphire? i happen to love them
Posted: 4/29/2009 10:20:53 PM

P: 4/29/2009 10:50:42 PM
neatfreak Ideal Rock Total Posts: 13,468 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 2/17/2007	Jeff is fabulous-but I agree that a darker sapphire just wouldn't look great as an asscher. You'd miss out on the steps and just have a deep blue stone. Here is Jeff's picture of my asscher-a lot better than my pictures! I should also say make sure you are talking in MM's NOT carat size with sapphires. They face up smaller than a diamond of the same carat weight (density) but also with an asscher it makes it face up reeeaaally small. So make sure you know what MM size you'd like to end up with.
Posted: 4/29/2009 10:50:42 PM

P: 4/30/2009 9:38:16 AM
stepcutgirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 525 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 3/11/2009	Violet-It was your post of that ring that opened my eyes to this and set me on an entirely different course for my ering! Since I was a little girl I wanted a sapphire e ring but when I told my boyfriend he wasn't so sure. He thought I would be happier with a sapphire and was just trying to save him money. After my exhausting perfect diamond ring search I saw your post in the fav ps ring folder, printed it out and showed it to him and told him this was my perfect ering, only with a saphire and diamond w band. He agreed!
Posted: 4/30/2009 9:38:16 AM

P: 4/30/2009 10:18:44 AM
Fly Girl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,763 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 1/9/2007	Date: 4/29/2009 9:44:27 PM Author: Chrono Whitby, A top Kashmir blue sapphire is not going to look pretty in a step cut. I feel that step cuts are more suited to lighter coloured (not lighter toned) stones to be able to highlight the cut while retaining its intensity of colour. The other reason why a Kashmir blue sapphire looks so dreamy is that a cushion cut is able to maximize the richness of colour which a step cut doesn't. I'm sorry to say you can't have your cake and eat it too in this case. I have a real soft spot for this wildfishgems sapphire. Link I think it is very pretty. But I agree about asscher cuts and dark stones. You gotta see those steps, or else why bother? **** Life is a Journey, not a Destination. ****
Posted: 4/30/2009 10:18:44 AM

P: 4/30/2009 11:42:45 AM
stepcutgirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 525 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 3/11/2009	Oops...above I meant to say that my boyfriend thought I would be happier with a diamond...not a sapphire...apphire was what I wanted.
Posted: 4/30/2009 11:42:45 AM

P: 4/30/2009 12:43:50 PM
LostSapphire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,060 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 11/4/2007	Date: 4/30/2009 11:42:45 AM Author: stepcutgirl Oops...above I meant to say that my boyfriend thought I would be happier with a diamond...not a sapphire...sapphire was what I wanted. "Good Save" stepcutgirl! You can stay and play with us!! LS
Posted: 4/30/2009 12:43:50 PM

P: 4/30/2009 12:58:12 PM
MakingTheGrade Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,466 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 3/2/2009	Hehe, I told the fiance I wanted a sapphire too, but he went with the diamond anyways, what can I say, he's a tradiiontalist through and through.
Posted: 4/30/2009 12:58:12 PM

P: 4/30/2009 12:59:54 PM
stepcutgirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 525 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 3/11/2009	Thanks LS-when the time comes I will be seeking lots of help. I want a stone just your color!
Posted: 4/30/2009 12:59:54 PM

P: 4/30/2009 1:07:08 PM
westjenn Cut Rock Total Posts: 371 Last Post: 11/14/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2006	Date: 4/29/2009 9:39:08 PM Author: whitby_2773 stepcutgirl - that's gorgeous! i can see why you'd want one like it. Losty - i'm so pleased he cut your sapphire, and also diamondseeker's; it just confirms for me that he's the right guy for me. this will make my search MUCH easier. i have zero idea how much this might cost, so i think my next step is to speak to him and see if he can give me some idea of the price range i'm looking at. i love the color you chose and am hoping for something in the same range myself. westjenn, thanks for your feedback. i'm guessing that we're both going to wait a long time for our stones. how long have you been waiting so far? and what color are you looking for? i'll let you all know how i go after i call him; i really have no idea how much this could cost, so this will be a bit of a 'deciding phone call' for me i suspect. Hi Whitby. I've been waiting 6 plus months I would say. I'm also looking for a darker sapphire as you are. I know that the consensus seems to be darker sapphires don't seem to do well in an asscher cut & I would have to say that it depends on the quality of the stone. My current asccher sapphire has a full bezel-- no openings whatsoever-- (i don't know the technical term for this??) and its still beautiful to me and definately an asscher. I know that if there were 'openings' in the setting it would appear much more vibrant, but I love the style. Right now I'm looking for an asscher that I can get in a pronged setting. Patience is a virtue! I'm going to try to dig up a picture of my ring for you.
Posted: 4/30/2009 1:07:08 PM

P: 4/30/2009 1:07:13 PM
LostSapphire Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,060 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 11/4/2007	Date: 4/30/2009 12:59:54 PM Author: stepcutgirl Thanks LS-when the time comes I will be seeking lots of help. I want a stone just your color! I thought the freudian slip was quite funny! Thank you for the compliment. LS
Posted: 4/30/2009 1:07:13 PM

P: 4/30/2009 1:43:47 PM
whitby_2773 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,839 Last Post: 8/18/2009 Member Since: 1/5/2009	chrono, neatfreak, harriet, violet, gene, flygirl - thank you all for your comments. i'm actually feeling a tad discouraged. let me summarize and see if i'm hearing you correctly. an asscher sapphire is not out of the question so long as i have it large enough (gene), light enough (chrono, flygirl, neatfreak, violet, harriet), and perfectly cut (losty and ellen) i should say that i had an emerald cut sapphire for my 21st birthday with side diamonds. i no longer have it, but i loved it dearly. it didn't flash in all lights, but i actually liked that about it - it was like a mysterious woman who only dropped her mask in the right circumstances. stepcutgirl - i'd love to see your ring - and your perseverance in this is encouraging me, too! i really dont want to throw in the towel on this and cant help but think if i wait long enough, the planets will align on this and give me what i want. my next step will be to call jeff and see what he says - i will let you all know his thoughts on this. and flygirl - thank you for the link to that beautiful stone; it's gorgeous! whitby (AKA 'cake lady being attacked by a dog')
Posted: 4/30/2009 1:43:47 PM

P: 4/30/2009 1:59:46 PM
stepcutgirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 525 Last Post: 11/24/2009 Member Since: 3/11/2009	Whitby-it will most likely be the end of the year before I start building my ring and I'm not sure about an asscher anymore. While in diamonds I just like cushions...in sapphires I LOVE cushions! And while the ring I plan to design may look good with either I know it will look amazing with a cushion. Now I'm going to be biting my nails following your hunt for the asscher!
Posted: 4/30/2009 1:59:46 PM

P: 4/30/2009 2:01:41 PM
whitby_2773 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,839 Last Post: 8/18/2009 Member Since: 1/5/2009	stepcutgirl - keep this under your hat, ok? but i am rapidly falling in love with this - http://www.wildfishgems.com/inc/sdetail/9763 dont you just want to swim in it?? whitby (AKA 'cake lady being attacked by a dog')
Posted: 4/30/2009 2:01:41 PM

P: 4/30/2009 3:22:53 PM
DianaBanana Cut Rock Total Posts: 312 Last Post: 11/17/2009 Member Since: 1/26/2009	Date: 4/30/2009 2:01:41 PM Author: whitby_2773 stepcutgirl - keep this under your hat, ok? but i am rapidly falling in love with this - http://www.wildfishgems.com/inc/sdetail/9763 dont you just want to swim in it?? Whitby...I'm not sure if you have stumbled across this thread (Linky) or not but I think it will shed some light on what you can expect from a blue sapphire in various lighting scenarios. The wildfish stone could be a lot darker IRL than you might think! I can't recommend Jeff highly enough - he has a great eye for color as does Richard Wise....Jeff's cuts are to die for though. Lost Sapphire is correct when she says her stone flashes blue - so does mine, it's almost electric under some lights. I can't wait to see what you dig up!
Posted: 4/30/2009 3:22:53 PM

P: 4/30/2009 11:12:55 PM
Spirit Cut Rock Total Posts: 175 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/13/2007	westjenn- have you really been waiting for Jeff to find " your stone" for 6 months? That seems like a long time! In the meantime has he been in touch with you with different options or possibilities of something similar, or do you have to keep calling him? Love your stone,Dianabanana. How complicated was it to import to Canada? Did yours also take many months to find? Good luck with your setting!
Posted: 4/30/2009 11:12:55 PM

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