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3 carat...D...SI2

P: 12/20/2003 5:34:40 PM
gameday Rough Rock Total Posts: 3 Last Post: 1/26/2004 Member Since: 12/20/2003	Hello. First off happy holiday's. Second looking for some advice about a diamond. I don't have all the spec's but this is what they are posting on-line... Round... D SI2 8.81 - 8.95 x 5.6 millimeter in depth With that said, It appears to be in my range...Bigger Carat, Better Color, sacrificing on the Clarity. Can anyone give me advice on the depth??? and also a rough estimate of a fair price... Thanks in advance...
Posted: 12/20/2003 5:34:40 PM

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P: 12/20/2003 5:37:31 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	I think your going to high on the color and sacrificing too much on the clarity. Then again it might be one of those very rare eyeclean si2's. Which cert is it? gia? ags? other? ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 12/20/2003 5:37:31 PM

P: 12/20/2003 5:39:32 PM
gameday Rough Rock Total Posts: 3 Last Post: 1/26/2004 Member Since: 12/20/2003	It say's GIA. But like I said, don't have access to the specifics.
Posted: 12/20/2003 5:39:32 PM

P: 12/20/2003 5:44:59 PM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	Is it a full 3 carats? The mm should be more around 9.3 ish. Sounds like the depth % is large & you may have some girdle weight.
Posted: 12/20/2003 5:44:59 PM

P: 12/20/2003 5:49:02 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	SI2 can be eye clean, but you have to make sure. The available specs do not allow to guess much about wether this stone has nice light return. If you get as little as the inclusions plot on the GIA cert (and the comments too) a potentially eye clean stone will show this. The plot is much more harsh on inclusions than visual contact... I would not buy such a stone without a Sarin and light return report. D and SI2: top color, least potentially eye clean grade. This is not a "blanced" choice, but can be a great one nevertheless. The stone must be seen for inclusions and analyzed further for cut quality. An E-SI1 can look just as great any day. Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 12/20/2003 5:49:02 PM

P: 12/20/2003 5:51:22 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	---------------- On 12/20/2003 5:44:59 PM fire&ice wrote: Is it a full 3 carats? The mm should be more around 9.3 ish. Sounds like the depth % is large & you may have some girdle weight. ---------------- Depth is over 63%... At best it should be close to 60 (not that this guarantees anything else but a bigger diameter). There are better D-SI there, true enough. What's the price? Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 12/20/2003 5:51:22 PM

P: 12/20/2003 5:52:58 PM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	Also, seems somewhat out of round. Doesn't sound good.
Posted: 12/20/2003 5:52:58 PM

P: 12/20/2003 5:55:46 PM
valeria101 Ideal Rock Total Posts: 14,048 Last Post: 4/30/2006 Member Since: 8/29/2003	HERE is a bigger (in diameter) stone, same color, TOP clarity, GREAT cut guaranteed. Don't know how the price compares to what you have found. The seller is one of the dearest on pricescope, too Ana "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." [Souren Melikian]
Posted: 12/20/2003 5:55:46 PM

P: 12/20/2003 8:15:02 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	And here is a 3+ct with a great balance of price clarity and color for a lot less money with great performance. gog ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 12/20/2003 8:15:02 PM

P: 12/20/2003 8:19:18 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Here is one with awesome performance at an even better price point by dropping to an H color. Id ask if its eyeclean but it looks like it might be. Its a 3.34ct gog ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 12/20/2003 8:19:18 PM

P: 12/20/2003 8:22:27 PM
strmrdr Ideal Rock Total Posts: 23,296 Last Post: 10/9/2009 Member Since: 11/1/2003	Another awesome h. superbcert ........... Karl has joined the diamond trade and is now posting as Karl_K
Posted: 12/20/2003 8:22:27 PM

P: 12/20/2003 9:16:12 PM
Mara Ideal Rock Total Posts: 27,906 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 10/30/2002	Better carat, better color but what about CUT? One of the most important C's. How can you not have access to the specifics? Are you supposed to just blindly drop $$$ with no further information? I don't think so. Get access to the specifics such as the following: table, depth, culet, girdle, fluorescence from the GIA cert have them run a Sarin report and get the crown and pavilion angles from that Then report back and people can be more helpful. But from what the others are saying, sounds like this one doesn't have the right numbers to begin with...diameter seems way off. Have a feeling this is one of those 'great deals' that lets you get a huge stone for cheap....usually with those great deals there is a huge catch....like the stone is horribly cut and won't look 1/2 as good as a better cut, smaller stone. More info will help you make a more educated decision. Lastly, I wouldn't go so high up in color and so low on clarity. 3c is a huge stone and you will see SI inclusions much more easily. Not to say that you can't find a great SI stone, but just know that the larger the carat weight, the more common that you'd see an inclusion. Keep this in mind while searching...you will have to be very diligent and ask about eye-cleanliness from ALL angles, not just top down. ________________________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
Posted: 12/20/2003 9:16:12 PM

P: 12/21/2003 12:54:41 AM
phoenixgirl Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,494 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 3/20/2003	Yes, from what I can tell, the clarity is a gamble, the depth is too deep, and the diameter is within acceptable range but could have less of a deviation. I wouldn't purchase this stone without a lot more information! Plus, it is impossible to give you an estimate on how much this might go for elsewhere without knowing things like flourescence, symmetry, the girdle, the culet, and of course the crown and pavilion angles. If they had at least shown you the GIA cert, you would have known the first four. Have they not shown it to you or did you just not share that info? I would recommend dropping color and going for a better cut quality, and maybe VS2-SI1 clarity unless you have seen the stone in person and examined its inclusions thoroughly. Note, this stone has been sold, but if I were you, I would look for something like this. Yum. Of course, I'm not sure what your budget is.
Posted: 12/21/2003 12:54:41 AM

P: 12/21/2003 3:55:36 AM
Giangi Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,530 Last Post: 10/29/2006 Member Since: 1/23/2003	Depth is 62.9% from the numbers you provided. So, it's a bit deep, but if you aren't looking for an ideal cut stone, it's still within acceptable limits. But the biggest problems I see are the diameters (which are too different) and the SI 2. I doubt that you'll find an eye-clean one at this size. I would go with a better cut G color VS 2 diamond. G is still very white and VS 2 will set your mind at ease. Not to mention that the better cut will make the stone look much sparklier. _____________ Omnia Mea Mecum Porto. Giangi
Posted: 12/21/2003 3:55:36 AM

P: 12/21/2003 12:34:04 PM
fire&ice Ideal Rock Total Posts: 7,827 Last Post: 3/30/2009 Member Since: 7/22/2002	---------------- On 12/21/2003 3:55:36 AM Giangi wrote: Depth is 62.9% from the numbers you provided. So, it's a bit deep, but if you aren't looking for an ideal cut stone, it's still within acceptable limits. Where did you get this depth? Maybe I'm slow. For this mm the stone should either be deeper or have a thicker girdle. That said, try to massage your parameters. What is most important to you? Prioritize first.
Posted: 12/21/2003 12:34:04 PM

P: 12/21/2003 2:39:05 PM
Giangi Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,530 Last Post: 10/29/2006 Member Since: 1/23/2003	F&I; (8.81 + 8.95)/2 = 8.88mm --> that's the average diameter 5.6 (ht) / 8.88 (aver.diam.) = 63.1% Ooops what a shame! It's 63.1% and not 62.9% as I stated in a previous post... My bad. Anyway, that's how you get the depth. _____________ Omnia Mea Mecum Porto. Giangi
Posted: 12/21/2003 2:39:05 PM

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