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P: 4/7/2009 11:25:31 PM
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,281 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004	Whilst emailing back and forth with Richard Hughes, he tried to tell me to buy what I like and not what the trade says, but it was really difficult for me to accept that. After all, the trade sort of sets the price as well. Imagine to my surprise to read that he feels the trade has lost their way! It is very well explained here: http://www.ruby-sapphire.com/ruby_sapphire_borders.htm After reading it, all my mental blocks melted away. I now see colour completely differently. I still am aware of the trade preference but am also open to other very fine colours that might be considered unusual or different. I was also surprised to see the evolution of how a pad is defined. It seems it is originally more pinkish and not pastel at all. A very interesting read and highly recommended.
Posted: 4/7/2009 11:25:31 PM

There are 17 replies to this message. There are 17 replies on this page.

P: 4/7/2009 11:37:57 PM
TravelingGal Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,306 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/29/2004	Thanks for the link Chrono - I remember reading that one when I did my pad research and found it very informative. I also got the pad crystal photo from that link, I believe. As much as I dig my pad, I kind of think the hoopla surrounding them is crazy! _______________________ Travel quote of the week: "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines, sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." -Mark Twain
Posted: 4/7/2009 11:37:57 PM

P: 4/7/2009 11:46:23 PM
Lady_Disdain Ideal Rock Total Posts: 877 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2008	Very interesting article. Thank you! Does this mean you are cured of your indecision over the "maybe tsavorite"? That is gorgeous and I want to see more pictures ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have no will power... 3.29 kyanite cab
Posted: 4/7/2009 11:46:23 PM

P: 4/7/2009 11:52:03 PM
Lady_Disdain Ideal Rock Total Posts: 877 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2008	By the way, do I detect a shot of photoshop? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have no will power... 3.29 kyanite cab
Posted: 4/7/2009 11:52:03 PM

P: 4/7/2009 11:53:44 PM
Lady_Disdain Ideal Rock Total Posts: 877 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 7/25/2008	Very naughty! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have no will power... 3.29 kyanite cab
Posted: 4/7/2009 11:53:44 PM

P: 4/8/2009 12:17:19 AM
tourmaline_lover Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,505 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 9/20/2008	Very good article Chrono!! Thanks so much for sharing. I think you made the right decision on purchasing that amazing tsavorite grossular emerald paraiba tourmaline looking garnet. I just have one word of advice - never buy a padparadscha because if you think it's confusing buying a tsavorite, your brain will turn to mush when trying to consider all the "delicate" hues of pink and orange.
Posted: 4/8/2009 12:17:19 AM

P: 4/8/2009 8:03:02 AM
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,281 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004	Date: 4/7/2009 11:46:23 PM Author: Lady_Disdain Very interesting article. Thank you! Does this mean you are cured of your indecision over the 'maybe tsavorite'? That is gorgeous and I want to see more pictures Yes. I'm cured. It'll probably take 1 to 2 weeks for it to get to me though.
Posted: 4/8/2009 8:03:02 AM

P: 4/8/2009 8:04:14 AM
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,281 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004	Date: 4/8/2009 12:17:19 AM Author: tourmaline_lover Very good article Chrono!! Thanks so much for sharing. I think you made the right decision on purchasing that amazing tsavorite grossular emerald paraiba tourmaline looking garnet. I just have one word of advice - never buy a padparadscha because if you think it's confusing buying a tsavorite, your brain will turn to mush when trying to consider all the 'delicate' hues of pink and orange. Thanks on the compliment on the tsavorite/garnet. No, I know all about the confusion on padparadschas; I keep away from those like the plague.
Posted: 4/8/2009 8:04:14 AM

P: 4/8/2009 9:15:29 AM
tourmaline_lover Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,505 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 9/20/2008	Date: 4/8/2009 8:04:14 AM Author: Chrono Date: 4/8/2009 12:17:19 AM Author: tourmaline_lover Very good article Chrono!! Thanks so much for sharing. I think you made the right decision on purchasing that amazing tsavorite grossular emerald paraiba tourmaline looking garnet. I just have one word of advice - never buy a padparadscha because if you think it's confusing buying a tsavorite, your brain will turn to mush when trying to consider all the 'delicate' hues of pink and orange. Thanks on the compliment on the tsavorite/garnet. No, I know all about the confusion on padparadschas; I keep away from those like the plague. You and me both, and let's not even discuss all the unscrupulous treated padparadschas out there on top of that. At least tsavorite isn't treated, at least not to my knowledge. Get your camera working Missy!!
Posted: 4/8/2009 9:15:29 AM

P: 4/8/2009 2:13:51 PM
LovingDiamonds Ideal Rock Total Posts: 2,669 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 6/29/2008	Chrono - very interesting! Actually when I saw the picture of your "mystery" gemstone my initial reaction was "well whatever it is, I'd give it a home". The colour just spoke to me and I'm not sure (price point permitting) that I would have cared what it was. Strangely, I've found over the years that I actually don't like the colour of the "best" Pads against my skin so it doesn't matter that the perceived colour is top - it just doesn't suit me! I do find however that for Rubies and Sapphires my preference is for the best colour (typical!). I once bought a deeply saturated Kunzite because it was all the rage. I don't like it, do appreciate it, but it sits in a box! A lesson learned for me. I now buy with my eyes and my heart!
Posted: 4/8/2009 2:13:51 PM

P: 4/8/2009 2:25:31 PM
TravelingGal Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,306 Last Post: 11/21/2009 Member Since: 12/29/2004	Chrono, TL, Do you know if AGTA or another lab will actually label green garnet as a "tsav"? Is there an agreed upon criteria like there is for pads right now? I would want to shop with my eyes too, but like what Chrono is going through with the tsav, the fact of the matter is that there are premiums placed on stones that qualify for these titles. _______________________ Travel quote of the week: "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines, sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." -Mark Twain
Posted: 4/8/2009 2:25:31 PM

P: 4/8/2009 2:30:18 PM
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,281 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004	Date: 4/8/2009 2:13:51 PM Author: LovingDiamonds Chrono - very interesting! Actually when I saw the picture of your 'mystery' gemstone my initial reaction was 'well whatever it is, I'd give it a home'. The colour just spoke to me and I'm not sure (price point permitting) that I would have cared what it was. Strangely, I've found over the years that I actually don't like the colour of the 'best' Pads against my skin so it doesn't matter that the perceived colour is top - it just doesn't suit me! I do find however that for Rubies and Sapphires my preference is for the best colour (typical!). I once bought a deeply saturated Kunzite because it was all the rage. I don't like it, do appreciate it, but it sits in a box! A lesson learned for me. I now buy with my eyes and my heart! LD, I happen to love deeply saturated Kunzites and am more than willing to take it off your hands. I promise to wear it every night.
Posted: 4/8/2009 2:30:18 PM

P: 4/8/2009 2:34:20 PM
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,281 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004	Date: 4/8/2009 2:25:31 PM Author: TravelingGal Chrono, TL, Do you know if AGTA or another lab will actually label green garnet as a 'tsav'? Is there an agreed upon criteria like there is for pads right now? I would want to shop with my eyes too, but like what Chrono is going through with the tsav, the fact of the matter is that there are premiums placed on stones that qualify for these titles. TGal, Im not sure how AGTA does their grading. As far as I know, even the labs are still in conflict with regards to whats a pad and whats not. Its only because AGTA is among the most reputable that people like to get a cert from them stating that the stone is such and such. My understanding is that even in the trade and labs, there is still no consensus as to whats the cut off point between a tsavorite and a green grossular garnet (discounting the light coloured ones called mint).
Posted: 4/8/2009 2:34:20 PM

P: 4/8/2009 2:44:25 PM
MakingTheGrade Ideal Rock Total Posts: 3,439 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 3/2/2009	I also stumbled across this article, which I thought was interesting. It's not so much about color as it is about naming. The first photo caught my attention and made me laugh: http://www.colored-stone.com/stories/may08/paraiba.cfm
Posted: 4/8/2009 2:44:25 PM

P: 4/8/2009 5:54:31 PM
tourmaline_lover Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,505 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 9/20/2008	Date: 4/8/2009 2:44:25 PM Author: MakingTheGrade I also stumbled across this article, which I thought was interesting. It's not so much about color as it is about naming. The first photo caught my attention and made me laugh: http://www.colored-stone.com/stories/may08/paraiba.cfm NO YOU CAN'T BE PARAIBA - That made me laugh. Thanks for that. To this day, I'm not sure what is paraiba and what isn't. Is it a color, an origin, the copper, all or some of the above? I have several copper bearing tourmalines, and you know what I call them? Copper bearing (or cuprian) tourmalines. There - no confusion whatsoever!!
Posted: 4/8/2009 5:54:31 PM

P: 4/8/2009 6:21:41 PM
Harriet Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,800 Last Post: 11/19/2009 Member Since: 7/7/2006	TL, This may help, if you're still awake by the end of it: http://www.palagems.com/paraiba.htm If you're nodding off, go to the last two paragraphs. Maybe I haven't seen the top African cuprian elbaites, but the original Brazilian material is a different beast. "The greatest experts are only as good as the sum total of what they have seen." (Souren Melikian)
Posted: 4/8/2009 6:21:41 PM

P: 4/8/2009 7:27:24 PM
tourmaline_lover Ideal Rock Total Posts: 6,505 Last Post: 11/22/2009 Member Since: 9/20/2008	Thanks Harriet.
Posted: 4/8/2009 7:27:24 PM

P: 4/8/2009 7:49:45 PM
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,281 Last Post: 11/20/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004	Thanks for the article, and more important, beautiful eye candy that accompanied it.
Posted: 4/8/2009 7:49:45 PM

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