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P: 4/7/2009 7:44:17 PM
ctyc Rough Rock Total Posts: 59 Last Post: 8/28/2009 Member Since: 1/2/2009	Does this cushion look like it has the crushed ice look? Thank you for keeping up this great forum with such helpful information.
Posted: 4/7/2009 7:44:17 PM

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P: 4/7/2009 7:45:47 PM
ctyc Rough Rock Total Posts: 59 Last Post: 8/28/2009 Member Since: 1/2/2009	ASET image Thank you for keeping up this great forum with such helpful information.
Posted: 4/7/2009 7:45:47 PM

P: 4/7/2009 7:45:55 PM
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006	More or less, yes.
Posted: 4/7/2009 7:45:55 PM

P: 4/7/2009 11:03:04 PM
ctyc Rough Rock Total Posts: 59 Last Post: 8/28/2009 Member Since: 1/2/2009	Is this cushion worth it? Is it going to be good visually? Help please. Thank you for keeping up this great forum with such helpful information.
Posted: 4/7/2009 11:03:04 PM

P: 4/7/2009 11:38:25 PM
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006	That depends on what you like really. Do you like the crushed ice look? Also, do you have the cut information for this stone (table, depth, etc.)?
Posted: 4/7/2009 11:38:25 PM

P: 4/7/2009 11:46:04 PM
ctyc Rough Rock Total Posts: 59 Last Post: 8/28/2009 Member Since: 1/2/2009	I sure do. Here it is. I don't like the crushed ice look, but I'm wondering if this diamond would look like this. http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4065 I thought this diamond was quite stunning, but I can't tell if they look even remotely similar. And is this yet another crushed ice looking cushion? http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/5673/ Thank you for keeping up this great forum with such helpful information.
Posted: 4/7/2009 11:46:04 PM

P: 4/8/2009 3:20:56 AM
DiamondFlame Ideal Rock Total Posts: 645 Last Post: 9/3/2009 Member Since: 2/7/2009	Unless you're pretty set against the 'crushed ice look' I think the cushion is a performer judging by the ASET image. The shape looks great too. -Dmitri-
Posted: 4/8/2009 3:20:56 AM

P: 4/8/2009 3:48:11 AM
ctyc Rough Rock Total Posts: 59 Last Post: 8/28/2009 Member Since: 1/2/2009	So from both comments, this cushion is basically going to have the stereotypical "crushed ice" look. Shattered glass look? I do have to say that it is disappointing. Everything else about this cushion seems great, but I am not a fan of the "crushed ice" look. Any advice on how to find a cushion that is not going to have the "crushed ice" look? Thank you for keeping up this great forum with such helpful information.
Posted: 4/8/2009 3:48:11 AM

P: 4/8/2009 4:44:29 AM
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006	Date: 4/8/2009 3:48:11 AM Author: ctyc So from both comments, this cushion is basically going to have the stereotypical 'crushed ice' look. Shattered glass look? I do have to say that it is disappointing. Everything else about this cushion seems great, but I am not a fan of the 'crushed ice' look. Any advice on how to find a cushion that is not going to have the 'crushed ice' look? Tell WF that you do not want a stone with a "crushed ice look". I think instead you may want something that is in between an antique chunky style and a modern cushion given the other ones that you like. You probably want a "cushion brilliant" rather than a "modified cushion brilliant". goodoldgold.com and mark at engagementringsdirect.com would also be great at helping finding you a cushion.
Posted: 4/8/2009 4:44:29 AM

P: 4/8/2009 5:13:02 AM
ctyc Rough Rock Total Posts: 59 Last Post: 8/28/2009 Member Since: 1/2/2009	Thank you for your help and advice. I will definitely speak with someone at GOG and ERD. Hopefully I will find something soon and I'll be back with more images for you to look at. Thanks again. Thank you for keeping up this great forum with such helpful information.
Posted: 4/8/2009 5:13:02 AM

P: 4/8/2009 8:13:57 AM
ddcha Cut Rock Total Posts: 170 Last Post: 6/21/2009 Member Since: 3/25/2009	Date: 4/8/2009 5:13:02 AM Author: ctyc Thank you for your help and advice. I will definitely speak with someone at GOG and ERD. Hopefully I will find something soon and I'll be back with more images for you to look at. Thanks again. I just went through this process, looking for a 2.0-2.5ct cushion. Bought from ERD after talking to GOG and another vendor in the Midwest. Not all "modified cushion brilliants" have the crushed ice look, but that's the exception and not the norm. The "cushion brilliants" (as it should state on their GIA certs) tend to have the larger facets and were more appealing to us. They do cost more, however, and square ones also command a slight premium. Among "cushion brilliants" there are the "chunky facet" style and the "modern brilliant" style. We liked chunky but preferred modern because it was a "brighter" cut and square chunkies are a bit harder to find. Hope that helps. Oh yeah. ERD and GOG have very different approaches at selling stones. Jon at GOG is very technology focused (ASET, ideal scope, led performance, etc.). Mark at ERD tends to compare stones in normal lighting, but has an ideal scope on his desk if you want to use it.
Posted: 4/8/2009 8:13:57 AM

P: 4/8/2009 10:58:19 AM
CharmyPoo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,579 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 12/10/2004	Here are my two cents .. if you can't tell if the diamond is crushed ice or not .. and you like it ... who cares what other people think. PS has a following on chunky faceted diamonds but very few people out there would even know.
Posted: 4/8/2009 10:58:19 AM

P: 4/8/2009 11:09:05 AM
mrssalvo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 16,859 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 1/3/2005	Date: 4/8/2009 10:58:19 AM Author: CharmyPoo Here are my two cents .. if you can't tell if the diamond is crushed ice or not .. and you like it ... who cares what other people think. PS has a following on chunky faceted diamonds but very few people out there would even know. ditto. I think it's a pretty stone! ----------------------------- A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.
Posted: 4/8/2009 11:09:05 AM

P: 4/8/2009 1:42:42 PM
ctyc Rough Rock Total Posts: 59 Last Post: 8/28/2009 Member Since: 1/2/2009	Thanks for all the responses. I actually can tell if it has the "crushed ice" look when I look at GOG's videos. It is really obvious when you look at the diamond then. However, in this particular photoraph, it is really a bit more difficult for me to tell. My first reaction was that it had the "crushed ice" look when I saw the photo, but I wasn't completely sure. But I knew that there was something about the diamond that wasn't quite what I was looking for. That's why I needed the confirmation. And to be honest, I am so tired of looking, that there was a part of me that was hoping someone would say that it did not have the "crushed ice" appearance. :) The ironic part about this diamond is that on the cert, it said that it was a "cushion brilliant" not "cushion modified." So I thought that there was a possibility this one was not going to have the "crushed ice" appearance, but apparently even the name of the cut doesn't guarantee it to look a certain way. That said, I am going to continue to search and thanks for the replies. DDCHA: What did you think of the other square cushion that you saw? I saw on another thread that you had looked at 2 cushions, the one you ultimately purchased as well as another. Thank you for keeping up this great forum with such helpful information.
Posted: 4/8/2009 1:42:42 PM

P: 4/8/2009 3:15:02 PM
ddcha Cut Rock Total Posts: 170 Last Post: 6/21/2009 Member Since: 3/25/2009	Date: 4/8/2009 1:42:42 PM Author: ctyc DDCHA: What did you think of the other square cushion that you saw? I saw on another thread that you had looked at 2 cushions, the one you ultimately purchased as well as another. All the details are here. If you want my vendor contact, let me know. I haven't seen this one in person, but the picture and specs are pretty promising. http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=111857
Posted: 4/8/2009 3:15:02 PM

P: 4/8/2009 6:17:15 PM
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006	YOu might find this thread helpful: http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=112016
Posted: 4/8/2009 6:17:15 PM

P: 4/8/2009 6:28:10 PM
vgirl17 Cut Rock Total Posts: 303 Last Post: 9/22/2009 Member Since: 10/7/2008	I actually don't think that diamond has a crushed ice appearance at all. I would guess that it has a 4 main pavillion like mine. I have seen crushed-ice looking cushions and radiants alongside mine and they are VERY different. Just my .02 :)
Posted: 4/8/2009 6:28:10 PM

P: 4/8/2009 6:39:04 PM
vgirl17 Cut Rock Total Posts: 303 Last Post: 9/22/2009 Member Since: 10/7/2008	FYI-Here's a really bad picture of my diamond but you can see how the facets look a little similar...
Posted: 4/8/2009 6:39:04 PM

P: 4/8/2009 10:54:19 PM
CharmyPoo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,579 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 12/10/2004	I actually don't think that the stone looks like crushed ice. Anyways, today I saw a gorgeous old cut cushion that is 1.8 ct G SI1 (but more like a VS2). It was cut over a hundered years ago and is absolutely gorgeous. I haven't seen a cushion like it and I have seen a lot. It has so much personality and is a very feminine stone. It reminds me of an OEC in a cushion shape. There are couple reasons why I am still considering it and haven't purchased it. But if I decide to pass .. I will let you know the details if you are interested.
Posted: 4/8/2009 10:54:19 PM

P: 4/8/2009 11:18:20 PM
Chrono Ideal Rock Total Posts: 11,318 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 4/22/2004	I don't consider that a crushed ice look. The crushed ice has a very random, pinpoint type of light return, literally like crushed ice. This cushion has smaller facets but they look to be radiating out from the center in a "set"/defined pattern.
Posted: 4/8/2009 11:18:20 PM

P: 4/9/2009 2:31:36 AM
ctyc Rough Rock Total Posts: 59 Last Post: 8/28/2009 Member Since: 1/2/2009	Does anyone have a photograph of a cushion with the "crushed ice" appearance? I am so confused. I feel like I see a little of what everyone is saying, but because this particular diamond is not in my hands and I can't confirm anything about it other than that the ASET looks great. I can't even say that I love this diamond because I've never seen it, and I'm hesitant about it based on the photograph, which could very well be a bad photograph. In response: Vgirl17- Veronica, you don't think that the outer portion of the pic I have looks kind of shattered? Your picture, while a tiny bit blurry, shows a very pretty cushion and is exactly what I am looking for. The picture I posted above does have a 4 main pavillion. Great eye!!! Charmypoo- If you have a picture of the cushion you're considering, I'd love to see it. (Not to try to snatch it from you, but just because it sounds really really interesting.) ddcha- I'd like to speak to your vendor contact. The thread you linked doesn't really contain too much details of the cushion you turned down. I guess I'm just wondering why you turned it down. Is it simply because you couldn't see it in person? Because right now, that is beginning to frustrate me and I didn't realize how important seeing it was until now. Thank you all for your input. I have definitely learned from this experience, but I am still so confused. Again, I wish I could see it in person. Any pictures of "crushed ice" cushions would be appreciated. Thanks again and I hope to hear what else anyone might have to say. Thank you for keeping up this great forum with such helpful information.
Posted: 4/9/2009 2:31:36 AM

P: 4/9/2009 2:44:53 AM
kcoursolle Ideal Rock Total Posts: 10,344 Last Post: 10/14/2009 Member Since: 1/21/2006	You guys are right, it's not super crushed icey, just somewhat. This is more along the lines of a crushed ice cushion, but there are some that are even more so. http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=78043 Many cushions look like radiants with the corners rounded out, and the one you posted does not look like that. However, I still don't think it has a similar look to the other one you posted either, it's like a hybrid between that and crushed ice.
Posted: 4/9/2009 2:44:53 AM

P: 4/9/2009 8:21:46 AM
ddcha Cut Rock Total Posts: 170 Last Post: 6/21/2009 Member Since: 3/25/2009	Date: 4/9/2009 2:31:36 AM Author: ctyc Does anyone have a photograph of a cushion with the 'crushed ice' appearance? I am so confused. I feel like I see a little of what everyone is saying, but because this particular diamond is not in my hands and I can't confirm anything about it other than that the ASET looks great. I can't even say that I love this diamond because I've never seen it, and I'm hesitant about it based on the photograph, which could very well be a bad photograph. In response: Vgirl17- Veronica, you don't think that the outer portion of the pic I have looks kind of shattered? Your picture, while a tiny bit blurry, shows a very pretty cushion and is exactly what I am looking for. The picture I posted above does have a 4 main pavillion. Great eye!!! Charmypoo- If you have a picture of the cushion you're considering, I'd love to see it. (Not to try to snatch it from you, but just because it sounds really really interesting.) ddcha- I'd like to speak to your vendor contact. The thread you linked doesn't really contain too much details of the cushion you turned down. I guess I'm just wondering why you turned it down. Is it simply because you couldn't see it in person? Because right now, that is beginning to frustrate me and I didn't realize how important seeing it was until now. Thank you all for your input. I have definitely learned from this experience, but I am still so confused. Again, I wish I could see it in person. Any pictures of 'crushed ice' cushions would be appreciated. Thanks again and I hope to hear what else anyone might have to say. I rejected it because I didn't want to go through the hassle of getting it shipped to me and possibly having to send it back. This is only because I found something locally that I liked. Contact is Merle Stone. mstone@opusnet.com I was quoted $20,999 bank transfer price.
Posted: 4/9/2009 8:21:46 AM

P: 4/9/2009 8:21:53 AM
Ellen Ideal Rock Total Posts: 22,894 Last Post: 11/6/2009 Member Since: 1/13/2006	ct, if you can swing it, I'd have it sent you so you can see for yourself. I don't really think it looks like crushed ice, though it's certainly not chunky if that's what you really want. But it does have great light return for a cushion. I think it might be worth a look. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds." -Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State John Swinton [1829-1901] Chief Editorial Writer of the New York Times (Considered "the Dean of his Profession" by his peers), when asked to toast an 'Independent Press' in a gathering at the National Press Club, circa 1880 "There is no such thing in America as an independent press unless it is in the country towns. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dare express an honest opinion. If you express it you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid... for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things.... The business of the New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and sell his country and race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same thing, his salary. You know this, and I know it and what foolery to be toasting an 'independent press.' We are tools, and the vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the strings and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, all are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
Posted: 4/9/2009 8:21:53 AM

P: 4/9/2009 10:11:52 AM
CharmyPoo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,579 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 12/10/2004	When you see crushed ice, you will have no question about it. It literally looks like crushed ice. Take some time and watch the GoodOldGold videos - they will really help you understand all the different looks so you can pick what you want. http://vimeo.com/diamondinfo I do have a photo of the diamond but the vendor takes great care in his photo taking. I don't want to post a photo that doesn't do his diamond justice.
Posted: 4/9/2009 10:11:52 AM

P: 4/9/2009 12:27:33 PM
ctyc Rough Rock Total Posts: 59 Last Post: 8/28/2009 Member Since: 1/2/2009	Ellen- Thanks for posting. I was looking for something that everyone is calling a modern cushion. So something that is not quite as chunky as the traditional cushion because I want the sparkle. I think what I am looking for has been described as a round brilliant in a square body. Does that make sense? Is there a more appropriate and specific way to articulate that kind of cushion? Charmypoo- I understand. It does sound interesting though. If you do decide to get it, I do hope you'll post a picture on Show Me The Ring and if you don't, please do pass it my way. I'd love to see either way. I think after reading everyone's comments and looking at the picture some more, it definitely does kind of look like a blend between a more uniform patterned look with a crushed ice feel. So perhaps a blend. If I end up having it send out to me just so I can take a look, I will let you all know how it turns out. In the meantime, I'd love to continue to hear anyone and everyone's assessment of this diamond. Thank you for keeping up this great forum with such helpful information.
Posted: 4/9/2009 12:27:33 PM

P: 4/9/2009 12:32:41 PM
vgirl17 Cut Rock Total Posts: 303 Last Post: 9/22/2009 Member Since: 10/7/2008	Date: 4/9/2009 2:31:36 AM Author: ctyc Does anyone have a photograph of a cushion with the 'crushed ice' appearance? I am so confused. I feel like I see a little of what everyone is saying, but because this particular diamond is not in my hands and I can't confirm anything about it other than that the ASET looks great. I can't even say that I love this diamond because I've never seen it, and I'm hesitant about it based on the photograph, which could very well be a bad photograph. In response: Vgirl17- Veronica, you don't think that the outer portion of the pic I have looks kind of shattered? Your picture, while a tiny bit blurry, shows a very pretty cushion and is exactly what I am looking for. The picture I posted above does have a 4 main pavillion. Great eye!!! Charmypoo- If you have a picture of the cushion you're considering, I'd love to see it. (Not to try to snatch it from you, but just because it sounds really really interesting.) ddcha- I'd like to speak to your vendor contact. The thread you linked doesn't really contain too much details of the cushion you turned down. I guess I'm just wondering why you turned it down. Is it simply because you couldn't see it in person? Because right now, that is beginning to frustrate me and I didn't realize how important seeing it was until now. Thank you all for your input. I have definitely learned from this experience, but I am still so confused. Again, I wish I could see it in person. Any pictures of 'crushed ice' cushions would be appreciated. Thanks again and I hope to hear what else anyone might have to say. No, I don't think the outer portion looks crushed. The cushion in that picture is at a little bit of an angle so you see more lines than you would see in a straight on shot. Thanks :) It has 4 mains like this one does and I LOVE it. I wanted to hold out for an 8 main cushion (the chunkier variety) but I fell in love with this one when I saw it. Super sparkly and bright. You can see more photos of it here: Veronica's Dream Cushion Here is a plot for a cushion that I KNOW can have a crushed ice appearance (kaleidoscope effect) more often than others, BUT I have seen some beautiful modified brilliants too so they're not all dull. Hope that helps :)
Posted: 4/9/2009 12:32:41 PM

P: 4/9/2009 12:34:47 PM
CharmyPoo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,579 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 12/10/2004	I own a modern cushion right now that rivals the sparkle of a round diamond. I find if you look for the 8 main thin pavillions - they should have the look you want. I have personally yet to see in real life a modified cushion brillant diamond that I loved. Some vendors will not sell modified cushion brillants unless their customers really wants it. Here is a photo of my diamond. Sorry - I can't find any straight on photos at the moment. It is considered a modern cushion and has 8 main pavillions.
Posted: 4/9/2009 12:34:47 PM

P: 4/9/2009 12:39:02 PM
vgirl17 Cut Rock Total Posts: 303 Last Post: 9/22/2009 Member Since: 10/7/2008	I also found this diamond on GOG's site that looks VERY similar to the one you're looking at and probably has the same 4 main plot: GOG 1.75 Cushion He has a VIDEO of how it performs so you can get an idea. It's gorgeous :)
Posted: 4/9/2009 12:39:02 PM

P: 4/9/2009 12:51:30 PM
ctyc Rough Rock Total Posts: 59 Last Post: 8/28/2009 Member Since: 1/2/2009	Veronica- I went to check out your ring and I agree with what you said on that thread, it looks great and I can't believe it's an I. I am hesitant about I color diamonds as well because I could see the tint in my mom's diamond. But in the picture of your cushion, it looks great!!! Thanks for the link to GOG. That is much more of what I am looking for. Charmypoo- Love your ring. Love your setting. Was it a custom setting? That is exactly what I am looking for. I did find a couple with 8 main thin pavilions and from the pictures it is exactly what I am looking for. But I found them a bit late and they had already been claimed. The only one available at the moment that I can see is way out of my budget. Thank you for keeping up this great forum with such helpful information.
Posted: 4/9/2009 12:51:30 PM

P: 4/9/2009 1:06:50 PM
CharmyPoo Ideal Rock Total Posts: 1,579 Last Post: 11/23/2009 Member Since: 12/10/2004	If you don't mind sharing your budget and your required specs, I will take a look for you and let you know if anything comes up. I am all over the search engines every day trying to find my next diamond. Since you are working with GOG, you should take a look at their square H&A. There might be something you like. I worked with Mark at Engagement Rings Direct for my diamond. He was wondeful to work with even though I am the biggest pain in the butt customer. I probably top his list of annoying customers but yet he has so much patience! All of the PS regular vendors are amazing so I am sure you won't have any problems with them. The setting is custom made but the setting will be no more soon. It is a beautiful setting but not what I envisioned and wanted. It will be remade. It is kind of sad because I had it for 4 months and to think about it being destroyed is a little depressing. The way my boyfriend sees it is that it won't be destroyed .. at least the metal and diamonds will be reused :P My advice is don't settle and just wait until the right stone comes along.
Posted: 4/9/2009 1:06:50 PM

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